Advice from Bjarne Stroustrup
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Bjarne Stroustrup:
[1] Don’t panic! All will become clear in time; §2.1. [2] You don’t have to know every detail of C++ to write good programs; §1.3.1. [3] Focus on programming techniques, not on language features; §2.1.
That's from the great book, The C++ Programming Language, 4th Edition[^] In general, it is very good advice for devs. Don't panic. So true in many situations. You don't have to know every detail. Just do something! :) Don't get caught up on language features, learn good techniques. :thumbsup:
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Bjarne Stroustrup:
[1] Don’t panic! All will become clear in time; §2.1. [2] You don’t have to know every detail of C++ to write good programs; §1.3.1. [3] Focus on programming techniques, not on language features; §2.1.
That's from the great book, The C++ Programming Language, 4th Edition[^] In general, it is very good advice for devs. Don't panic. So true in many situations. You don't have to know every detail. Just do something! :) Don't get caught up on language features, learn good techniques. :thumbsup:
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You don't have to know every detail. Just do something!
Very true. If you try and learn every little nook and cranny of a language you will spend inordinate amounts of time on trivial and hardly used features to the detriment of actually becoming skilled and fluent in the main parts used 99% of the time.
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Bjarne Stroustrup:
[1] Don’t panic! All will become clear in time; §2.1. [2] You don’t have to know every detail of C++ to write good programs; §1.3.1. [3] Focus on programming techniques, not on language features; §2.1.
That's from the great book, The C++ Programming Language, 4th Edition[^] In general, it is very good advice for devs. Don't panic. So true in many situations. You don't have to know every detail. Just do something! :) Don't get caught up on language features, learn good techniques. :thumbsup:
I think [3] is the most important, even I would title it "design techniques". Personally I'm big fan of [Niklaus Wirth - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklaus\_Wirth), not because he is swiss ;P but because he did some fantastic Basic develpment work in building Compilers and languages.
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I think [3] is the most important, even I would title it "design techniques". Personally I'm big fan of [Niklaus Wirth - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklaus\_Wirth), not because he is swiss ;P but because he did some fantastic Basic develpment work in building Compilers and languages.
0x01AA wrote:
big fan of Niklaus Wirth
Me too. I recently bought his book, Algorithms + Data Structures = programs[^] , at a second hand store. Yes, recently. The book is foundational and can be read now. :) The stuff in that old book is the real OOP. He was working stuff out in there and it still applies to real OOP. Very cool. He was the creator of Pascal too, right?
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0x01AA wrote:
big fan of Niklaus Wirth
Me too. I recently bought his book, Algorithms + Data Structures = programs[^] , at a second hand store. Yes, recently. The book is foundational and can be read now. :) The stuff in that old book is the real OOP. He was working stuff out in there and it still applies to real OOP. Very cool. He was the creator of Pascal too, right?
Yep and capitalized Pascal known as MODULA 2
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Yep and capitalized Pascal known as MODULA 2
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0x01AA wrote:
big fan of Niklaus Wirth
Me too. I recently bought his book, Algorithms + Data Structures = programs[^] , at a second hand store. Yes, recently. The book is foundational and can be read now. :) The stuff in that old book is the real OOP. He was working stuff out in there and it still applies to real OOP. Very cool. He was the creator of Pascal too, right?
"Pascal": Yes Pascal was developed by Mr. Wirth and his team "Old book is real OOP": At least after further development from Pascal to Modula 2 (with which I worked several years in production before a lot of years) he introduced essential concepts of data hiding. I would not call it complete OOP, but an important part of it. The bigest part I learned from his scripts are related to parser/compiler development, keyword "compiler compiler coco". Note 1: Google for ony "coco" is not recommended in public ;) Of course I tested this to warn you ;P Note 2: @CP: Preview of Messages is still a mess :(
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Bjarne Stroustrup:
[1] Don’t panic! All will become clear in time; §2.1. [2] You don’t have to know every detail of C++ to write good programs; §1.3.1. [3] Focus on programming techniques, not on language features; §2.1.
That's from the great book, The C++ Programming Language, 4th Edition[^] In general, it is very good advice for devs. Don't panic. So true in many situations. You don't have to know every detail. Just do something! :) Don't get caught up on language features, learn good techniques. :thumbsup:
1: advice I live by... except now! There's a spider in my code!!! Aghhhhhhh!!! 2: I've found the worst developers are the ones that know everything there is to know about the language and absolutely bugger all about developing apps that people can actually use! 3: Indeed.
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1: advice I live by... except now! There's a spider in my code!!! Aghhhhhhh!!! 2: I've found the worst developers are the ones that know everything there is to know about the language and absolutely bugger all about developing apps that people can actually use! 3: Indeed.
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0x01AA wrote:
big fan of Niklaus Wirth
Me too. I recently bought his book, Algorithms + Data Structures = programs[^] , at a second hand store. Yes, recently. The book is foundational and can be read now. :) The stuff in that old book is the real OOP. He was working stuff out in there and it still applies to real OOP. Very cool. He was the creator of Pascal too, right?
Thanks for reminding me the author, couldn't find anything on the web (I have fragmentary memories of the title in italian and search engines suck).
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
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Bjarne Stroustrup:
[1] Don’t panic! All will become clear in time; §2.1. [2] You don’t have to know every detail of C++ to write good programs; §1.3.1. [3] Focus on programming techniques, not on language features; §2.1.
That's from the great book, The C++ Programming Language, 4th Edition[^] In general, it is very good advice for devs. Don't panic. So true in many situations. You don't have to know every detail. Just do something! :) Don't get caught up on language features, learn good techniques. :thumbsup:
Hi! It's clear where he copied #1 from! Though he forgot the towel. It's just not the same thing without a towel!
A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!
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I think [3] is the most important, even I would title it "design techniques". Personally I'm big fan of [Niklaus Wirth - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niklaus\_Wirth), not because he is swiss ;P but because he did some fantastic Basic develpment work in building Compilers and languages.
0x01AA wrote:
Personally I'm big fan of Niklaus Wirth
I met him, along with Edsger Dijkstra, back in 1990.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
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Bjarne Stroustrup:
[1] Don’t panic! All will become clear in time; §2.1. [2] You don’t have to know every detail of C++ to write good programs; §1.3.1. [3] Focus on programming techniques, not on language features; §2.1.
That's from the great book, The C++ Programming Language, 4th Edition[^] In general, it is very good advice for devs. Don't panic. So true in many situations. You don't have to know every detail. Just do something! :) Don't get caught up on language features, learn good techniques. :thumbsup:
and of course, this can be translated to almost anything in life, not just C++. :thumbsup:
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Hi! It's clear where he copied #1 from! Though he forgot the towel. It's just not the same thing without a towel!
A new .NET Serializer All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar Taking over the world since 1371!
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Yep and capitalized Pascal known as MODULA 2
I actually used Modula-2 in school. My Prof said it was the up and coming language.
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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0x01AA wrote:
Personally I'm big fan of Niklaus Wirth
I met him, along with Edsger Dijkstra, back in 1990.
"One man's wage rise is another man's price increase." - Harold Wilson
"Fireproof doesn't mean the fire will never come. It means when the fire comes that you will be able to withstand it." - Michael Simmons
"You can easily judge the character of a man by how he treats those who can do nothing for him." - James D. Miles
Makes me think of a colleague of mine in the mid 80s. He is a DBMS man and a regular visitor to the VLDB (Very Large Data Bases) conference, and was for several years trying to get close to the great DBMS guru Jim Gray, hoping to touch his coat. Then one day, Gray came striding directly towards him with a big grin on his face: "Hi, is it so that you are a Norwegian? I know of no people more fun to get drunk with than Norwegians! Come along!" Now the two became close personal friends for the rest of Grey's life, so there is nothing to be sad about. But I guess lots of people would get shocked if the first thing their idol says directly to them is "Come, let's get drunk together!" :-)
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"Pascal": Yes Pascal was developed by Mr. Wirth and his team "Old book is real OOP": At least after further development from Pascal to Modula 2 (with which I worked several years in production before a lot of years) he introduced essential concepts of data hiding. I would not call it complete OOP, but an important part of it. The bigest part I learned from his scripts are related to parser/compiler development, keyword "compiler compiler coco". Note 1: Google for ony "coco" is not recommended in public ;) Of course I tested this to warn you ;P Note 2: @CP: Preview of Messages is still a mess :(
Now I feel *really, really* old. I was learning this craft back when both of those languages (and Ada which is also a descendant) were new. We used stone knives and bear claws back then (to paraphrase Dr. McCoy).
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Now I feel *really, really* old. I was learning this craft back when both of those languages (and Ada which is also a descendant) were new. We used stone knives and bear claws back then (to paraphrase Dr. McCoy).
Member 11971640 wrote:
We used stone knives and bear claws back then (to paraphrase Dr. McCoy).
Nope, It was stone knives and bear skins as quoted from Mr. Spock in the "City on the Edge of Forever". BTW: I feel equally old, I was learning C on my own while using Modula 2 on an IBM 4381 mainframe in the mid 80s. I hate Pascal, it's a fascist language if you ask me.
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I actually used Modula-2 in school. My Prof said it was the up and coming language.
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend; inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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Thanks for reminding me the author, couldn't find anything on the web (I have fragmentary memories of the title in italian and search engines suck).
* CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.
You know folks, all of the latest versions of Professor Wirth's books are freely downloadable from Wirth's pages at the website of ETH Zürich (the Confederate Technical University of Switzerland at Zürich). Prof. Niklaus Wirth (ret'd.)[^] The latest edition of 'Algorithms and Data Structures' as it is now more simply called uses Wirth's OO language, Oberon, which builds on the earlier Pascal & Modula-2. There's also an Oberon-powered mini-PC similar to the Raspberry Pi running around somewhere, IIRC.