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Mike Mullikin wrote:
I've been making home brews for the last few months that are awesome
I made one batch, must be twenty years ago, now, that tasted fine, but was like rocket fuel. I get a hangover just thinking about it.
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Home equipment has been refined and recipes "perfected" over the last few years. My first 2 batches (Oktoberfest and Irish Red Ale) were awesome. My English Cream Ale and American Honey Ale will be ready to try in a few days.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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You're mental. The craft-brew / micro-brew industry in the US is BOOMING! There are amazing beers available everywhere. Speaking of which... I've been making home brews for the last few months that are awesome. :-O
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
Mike Mullikin wrote:
You're mental.
Some ones here would say you are right ;) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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You're mental. The craft-brew / micro-brew industry in the US is BOOMING! There are amazing beers available everywhere. Speaking of which... I've been making home brews for the last few months that are awesome. :-O
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
Indeed. One could criticise US lagers in the 70s and 80s, but its a different story since then. Mind you UK beer has taken off since the 80s too, seems to be a global thing.
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Indeed. One could criticise US lagers in the 70s and 80s, but its a different story since then. Mind you UK beer has taken off since the 80s too, seems to be a global thing.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Indeed. One could criticise US lagers in the 70s and 80s, but its a different story since then.
Agreed. Budweiser... we're looking at you!
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Firestone is very close to a London Pride, one of the best beers in the world. So yeah, you are talking crap as usual.
One of the best beers in the world, from London? I wouldn't place the English anywhere near the top 500 X| :~ If you want to taste the best beers in the world, you come to Limburg; you'd be tasting Belgium beers in Belgium, German beers during Octoberfest, Dutch beer during Carnaval.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Indeed. One could criticise US lagers in the 70s and 80s, but its a different story since then.
Agreed. Budweiser... we're looking at you!
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
Mike Mullikin wrote:
BudweiserProhibition... we're looking at you!
Before the 18th amendment was ratified, there were over 2000 breweries and distilleries in the US. After prohibition, only something like six remained like Coors, Miller, Busch, etc.... It took over 50 years to clean up that mess and get back to where we were in the 1910's.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
BudweiserProhibition... we're looking at you!
Before the 18th amendment was ratified, there were over 2000 breweries and distilleries in the US. After prohibition, only something like six remained like Coors, Miller, Busch, etc.... It took over 50 years to clean up that mess and get back to where we were in the 1910's.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
You're mental.
Some ones here would say you are right ;) :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
I'd tick that box!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Home equipment has been refined and recipes "perfected" over the last few years. My first 2 batches (Oktoberfest and Irish Red Ale) were awesome. My English Cream Ale and American Honey Ale will be ready to try in a few days.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
Talking of "perfecting", my second ever batch was a porter, and it smelled a bit harsh and bitter, so I put extra (a lot extra) sugar in, when I bottled it. It went off like a bloody machine gun, and the house stunk of hops and yeast for weeks! I called it a learning experience -- where the lesson learned was RTFM!
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
BudweiserProhibition... we're looking at you!
Before the 18th amendment was ratified, there were over 2000 breweries and distilleries in the US. After prohibition, only something like six remained like Coors, Miller, Busch, etc.... It took over 50 years to clean up that mess and get back to where we were in the 1910's.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Look, you can make as many excuses as you like, but bud and schlitz are bud and schlitz! There's no excuse for that!
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One of the best beers in the world, from London? I wouldn't place the English anywhere near the top 500 X| :~ If you want to taste the best beers in the world, you come to Limburg; you'd be tasting Belgium beers in Belgium, German beers during Octoberfest, Dutch beer during Carnaval.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If you want to taste the best beers in the world, you come to Limburg
Yes, because heineken is soooo good! X| X| X|
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Belgium beers in Belgium, German beers during Octoberfest
Can't argue with that -- but English beers go for full flavour without overdoing the alcohol content, so you can enjoy more of it, before reposing 'neath the mensa.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Dutch beer during Carnaval
X| X| X| Hertog Jan and some of the winter goats are palatable, but the dubbel & trippel beers (which have the best flavour) really rot your gut.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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You're mental. The craft-brew / micro-brew industry in the US is BOOMING! There are amazing beers available everywhere. Speaking of which... I've been making home brews for the last few months that are awesome. :-O
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
Yes, but twenty years ago it was all but nonexistent. Ten years ago it was still not easy to come by good beer that wasn't imported, if you didn't know where to go. And Europeans in general usually don't visit the US often enough to be able change your reputation as makers of Bud Light and Coors. So live with it, you have worked on your reputation as crap brewers for so many years. :) Many of your micro breweries are also having quite some problems in my opinion. They have failed to understand the difference between more and better. Or they are just playing around like little kids with a new toy, I mean, Pumpkin beer! FFS! But I suppose that's what happens when the market gets overly homogenous. Luckily there are plenty of exceptions. And on the next trip I intend to explore a lot. ;)
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If you want to taste the best beers in the world, you come to Limburg
Yes, because heineken is soooo good! X| X| X|
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Belgium beers in Belgium, German beers during Octoberfest
Can't argue with that -- but English beers go for full flavour without overdoing the alcohol content, so you can enjoy more of it, before reposing 'neath the mensa.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Dutch beer during Carnaval
X| X| X| Hertog Jan and some of the winter goats are palatable, but the dubbel & trippel beers (which have the best flavour) really rot your gut.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Yes, because heineken is soooo good! X| X| X|
Heineken is just the most-known mass-produced Dutch beer. Heineken is from Amsterdam, which indeed, is closer to London. In Limburg you'd be close to the German and Belgian borders, but there's also some local breweries worth the visit, with Brands' (since 1340!) and stuff like Gulpener.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Can't argue with that -- but English beers go for full flavour without overdoing the alcohol content, so you can enjoy more of it, before reposing 'neath the mensa.
Switch to alcohol-free and you can enjoy without limits :~
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Hertog Jan and some of the winter goats are palatable, but the dubbel & trippel beers (which have the best flavour) really rot your gut.
Depending on the bacteria there - but no, that's becoming an awkward discussion :laugh:
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Mark_Wallace wrote:
Yes, because heineken is soooo good! X| X| X|
Heineken is just the most-known mass-produced Dutch beer. Heineken is from Amsterdam, which indeed, is closer to London. In Limburg you'd be close to the German and Belgian borders, but there's also some local breweries worth the visit, with Brands' (since 1340!) and stuff like Gulpener.
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Can't argue with that -- but English beers go for full flavour without overdoing the alcohol content, so you can enjoy more of it, before reposing 'neath the mensa.
Switch to alcohol-free and you can enjoy without limits :~
Mark_Wallace wrote:
Hertog Jan and some of the winter goats are palatable, but the dubbel & trippel beers (which have the best flavour) really rot your gut.
Depending on the bacteria there - but no, that's becoming an awkward discussion :laugh:
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Switch to alcohol-free
BURN THE WITCH!
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Yes, but twenty years ago it was all but nonexistent. Ten years ago it was still not easy to come by good beer that wasn't imported, if you didn't know where to go. And Europeans in general usually don't visit the US often enough to be able change your reputation as makers of Bud Light and Coors. So live with it, you have worked on your reputation as crap brewers for so many years. :) Many of your micro breweries are also having quite some problems in my opinion. They have failed to understand the difference between more and better. Or they are just playing around like little kids with a new toy, I mean, Pumpkin beer! FFS! But I suppose that's what happens when the market gets overly homogenous. Luckily there are plenty of exceptions. And on the next trip I intend to explore a lot. ;)
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Yes, but twenty years ago it was all but nonexistent.Ten years ago it was still not easy to come by good beer that wasn't imported,
Not true. Many of the largest craft brew breweries in the US today got their start in the 1980's (30+ years ago).
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
And Europeans in general usually don't visit the US often enough to be able change your reputation as makers of Bud Light and Coors. So live with it,
Let me clue you in - I've been to Europe a couple dozen times over the last 20 years and on occasion sampled some pretty bad local beers. X|
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Many of your micro breweries are also having quite some problems in my opinion.They have failed to understand the difference between more and better.Or they are just playing around like little kids with a new toy, I mean, Pumpkin beer! FFS!
I personally don't like Pumpkin beer but it's not a new phenomenon tied to new craft breweries. It's been around in some form or another for centuries.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
BudweiserProhibition... we're looking at you!
Before the 18th amendment was ratified, there were over 2000 breweries and distilleries in the US. After prohibition, only something like six remained like Coors, Miller, Busch, etc.... It took over 50 years to clean up that mess and get back to where we were in the 1910's.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
The prohibition was obviously something exceptional, but as soon as it was over the number of breweries went back up and rejoined the curve it left in 1918-1919 (1092-669 breweries). 1935 there were 766 breweries in the US. All time low was 1978, after a long time of mergers. If you want to put the blame somewhere, put it in the right place. Business, economy of scale and people without taste. Luckily it has changed since. Source: Number of Breweries and Brewpubs in U.S.[^]
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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One of the best beers in the world, from London? I wouldn't place the English anywhere near the top 500 X| :~ If you want to taste the best beers in the world, you come to Limburg; you'd be tasting Belgium beers in Belgium, German beers during Octoberfest, Dutch beer during Carnaval.
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I dont know that it is *from* London, but thats is its name, and it is a damn good pint. It is also exported it is that good. And yes, UK beers, real ales, are very VERY good. They arent lagers though, and I have a VERY big place in my stomach for Stella, brewed in Leuven, many a night I have enjoyed a dre en dirtije of Stella! :) UK beers are flatter, less gassy, brewed naturally, and when the vat is opened, it is open to the air, and has to be drunk ini three days. It is a very old, and natural beer. Not at all like a lager: British real ale - Google Search[^]
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
BudweiserProhibition... we're looking at you!
Before the 18th amendment was ratified, there were over 2000 breweries and distilleries in the US. After prohibition, only something like six remained like Coors, Miller, Busch, etc.... It took over 50 years to clean up that mess and get back to where we were in the 1910's.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
Good point.
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Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Yes, but twenty years ago it was all but nonexistent.Ten years ago it was still not easy to come by good beer that wasn't imported,
Not true. Many of the largest craft brew breweries in the US today got their start in the 1980's (30+ years ago).
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
And Europeans in general usually don't visit the US often enough to be able change your reputation as makers of Bud Light and Coors. So live with it,
Let me clue you in - I've been to Europe a couple dozen times over the last 20 years and on occasion sampled some pretty bad local beers. X|
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Many of your micro breweries are also having quite some problems in my opinion.They have failed to understand the difference between more and better.Or they are just playing around like little kids with a new toy, I mean, Pumpkin beer! FFS!
I personally don't like Pumpkin beer but it's not a new phenomenon tied to new craft breweries. It's been around in some form or another for centuries.
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
I suppose it would depend a lot on your definitions, but until the mid nineties there were a few hundred microbreweries in the us, with emphasis on micro. Most of them were brewpubs. If you didn't know where to find them they were nonexistent. After that the number of microbreweries were quite stable until 2010 when it really exploded. Not just in numbers but also in size. Source[^] The big explosion is happening NOW.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Let me clue you in - I've been to Europe a couple dozen times over the last 20 years and on occasion sampled some pretty bad local beers.
I don't doubt that, but I'm noticing your use of the word "occasion", I would personally extend it to often. :) But it's usually easy enough to find a palatable beer in most pubs in Europe. At least in northern Europe, in the south they tend to often prefer wine and then, for natural reasons, you might have a bit harder time to find the good stuff. I should by the way add that the US has had an almost identical development in beers/breweries as my own country, except for the prohibition of course.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I dont know that it is *from* London, but thats is its name, and it is a damn good pint. It is also exported it is that good. And yes, UK beers, real ales, are very VERY good. They arent lagers though, and I have a VERY big place in my stomach for Stella, brewed in Leuven, many a night I have enjoyed a dre en dirtije of Stella! :) UK beers are flatter, less gassy, brewed naturally, and when the vat is opened, it is open to the air, and has to be drunk ini three days. It is a very old, and natural beer. Not at all like a lager: British real ale - Google Search[^]
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello