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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Offline
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    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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    TRUE MATH Try to prove it... 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 ... (and goes for the infinity) = 1/2

    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

      TRUE MATH Try to prove it... 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 ... (and goes for the infinity) = 1/2

      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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      Curious and grandi'ous at the same time

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      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

        TRUE MATH Try to prove it... 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 ... (and goes for the infinity) = 1/2

        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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        If I remember correctly, it has something to do with the way that sums/series work when dealing with infinities. I don't remember exactly how it reduces, but I remember my mind being moderately blown the first time it was explained to me. Now, my attempt, as I think about right now, would be to reduce it to an infinite series of the sum of one minus one: (1 - 1) + (1 - 1) + (1 - 1) + .... Which would of course reduce to 0 + 0 + 0 + ... = 0... I know this is wrong (because I've not correctly applied whatever rule leads to the 1/2 answer,) but from a straightforward idiot's logic approach, it makes sense.

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          TRUE MATH Try to prove it... 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 ... (and goes for the infinity) = 1/2

          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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          Let S = 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1..., then 1 - S = 1 - (1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1...). This simplifies to 1 - S = 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1.... This means 1 - S = S which is simplified to 1 = 2S and finally S = 1/2.

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            TRUE MATH Try to prove it... 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 ... (and goes for the infinity) = 1/2

            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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            The traditional - and entirely wrong :) - approach is:

            G = 1 -  1 + 1 - 1 + ...
            

            1 - G = 1 - (1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + ...)
            = 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - ...
            = G
            1 = 2G
            1 / 2 = G

            The correct answer is that the series doesn't have a sum in any meaningful sense. Or, for the quantum-minded, the sum is both 0 and 1 at the same time. :cool:


            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

              TRUE MATH Try to prove it... 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 ... (and goes for the infinity) = 1/2

              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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              Yusuf
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              Couple weeks ago I was discussing zeta functions with my son who is senior in high school (math wiz ;) )

              1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... = −1/12.

              [Zeta function regularization - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta\_function\_regularization) As for the original question, it is called divergent series, [Divergent series - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1\_%2B\_1\_%2B\_1\_%2B\_1\_%2B\_⋯)

              Yusuf May I help you?

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                Couple weeks ago I was discussing zeta functions with my son who is senior in high school (math wiz ;) )

                1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... = −1/12.

                [Zeta function regularization - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeta\_function\_regularization) As for the original question, it is called divergent series, [Divergent series - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1\_%2B\_1\_%2B\_1\_%2B\_1\_%2B\_⋯)

                Yusuf May I help you?

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                Yusuf wrote:

                1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + ... = −1/12

                That solution involves Grandi's series quite heavily: :) Ramanujan: Making sense of 1+2+3+... = -1/12 and Co. - YouTube[^]


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                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                • J Jon McKee

                  Let S = 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1..., then 1 - S = 1 - (1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1...). This simplifies to 1 - S = 1 - 1 + 1 - 1 + 1.... This means 1 - S = S which is simplified to 1 = 2S and finally S = 1/2.

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                  Or S = (1 - 1) + (1 - 1) + ... = 0 S = 1 - (1 - 1) - (1 - 1) - ... = 1 2S = 1 S = 1/2

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