Some advice needed...
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Sounds pretty stupid to me. (Please note that the above answer was required to be posted. Don't take it personally, unless you want to. It may make you feel better. It may not. Does it matter? Should it matter? Is this all too matter-of-fact?)
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Well that's all fine and dandy, but by virtue of quickly dismissing it and condemning it like that, it would put you in the same category that I mentioned myself may be in towards the bottom of it where I simply just may or may not look down on people. Which is to say, if it's really to be considered stupid, then so are you for acting the same way. :) Deep thoughts.
Jeremy Falcon
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Well that's all fine and dandy, but by virtue of quickly dismissing it and condemning it like that, it would put you in the same category that I mentioned myself may be in towards the bottom of it where I simply just may or may not look down on people. Which is to say, if it's really to be considered stupid, then so are you for acting the same way. :) Deep thoughts.
Jeremy Falcon
Silly person! I am always right. You'll get over it. And now - get ready to be Puck'd: What fools these mortals be!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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So, in our careers, I'm sure we've all learned there are really smart people and there are those that aren't. Maybe they pretend to be smart when not, maybe they embrace being not so smart and just laugh at it. Maybe they're not book smart, but street smart. And sometimes we think someone is less intelligent, when they're in fact super smart. And vice versa. Either way, you get the drift. However, despite appearances, there are those that seem to figure things out and those that don't. And by the nature of even suggesting you're more intelligent than another, also lends itself to arrogance. Which everyone knows arrogance and intelligence conflict and cannot be considered smart. And yet, even Einstein thought the world stupid. And of course, it doesn't mean to say that less intelligent people cannot teach more intelligent people things and vice versa. But, what do you guys do, when faced with a situation where you feel it's impossible to grow intellectually because of the environment? In situations where you clearly know you're the smartest in the room, save a few gems you meet on occasion? And I don't mean smart as in knowing more about computers. I mean smart as in being more aware and conscious, less in your head and more observant, picking up on things quicker, remembering more, etc... cognition and perception prowess as it were. Everyone else seems dazed and confused, and you get bored. I know for me, I've been annoyed and frustrated with this practically my whole life, to the point it can create undue stress. Which is counter intuitive and destructive actually, because increased "knowing" should make people happy. And frustration is bad juju that's contagious. And yet, I'm still undecided if this is mainly due to me looking for the worst in people and trying to feel smarter due to inherent insecurities, or in fact I just am. Or both. Surely, someone on CP has faced this too? What do you guys do when you clearly know you see things clearer but you're alone in that regards?
Jeremy Falcon
But seriously, my mind goes at a billion MPH, and I find that I arrive at a conclusion long before everyone else, and that despite my best effort, I can't hurry everyone else up to the same conclusion, so while they're plodding along making committee decisions, I've got the code about halfway done in my mind and I'm ready to start actually writing it. That doesn't mean I think I'm smarter than everyone else, it's just that I instantly start mentally evaluating patterns and methods and coming up with a way forward, and then want to start implementing it. I usually have to wait for the requirements to catch up to me. Usually, I hit it right on the mark, but there are times when I have to make minor adjustments to account for the committee's lack of foresight and clarity. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
So, in our careers, I'm sure we've all learned there are really smart people and there are those that aren't. Maybe they pretend to be smart when not, maybe they embrace being not so smart and just laugh at it. Maybe they're not book smart, but street smart. And sometimes we think someone is less intelligent, when they're in fact super smart. And vice versa. Either way, you get the drift. However, despite appearances, there are those that seem to figure things out and those that don't. And by the nature of even suggesting you're more intelligent than another, also lends itself to arrogance. Which everyone knows arrogance and intelligence conflict and cannot be considered smart. And yet, even Einstein thought the world stupid. And of course, it doesn't mean to say that less intelligent people cannot teach more intelligent people things and vice versa. But, what do you guys do, when faced with a situation where you feel it's impossible to grow intellectually because of the environment? In situations where you clearly know you're the smartest in the room, save a few gems you meet on occasion? And I don't mean smart as in knowing more about computers. I mean smart as in being more aware and conscious, less in your head and more observant, picking up on things quicker, remembering more, etc... cognition and perception prowess as it were. Everyone else seems dazed and confused, and you get bored. I know for me, I've been annoyed and frustrated with this practically my whole life, to the point it can create undue stress. Which is counter intuitive and destructive actually, because increased "knowing" should make people happy. And frustration is bad juju that's contagious. And yet, I'm still undecided if this is mainly due to me looking for the worst in people and trying to feel smarter due to inherent insecurities, or in fact I just am. Or both. Surely, someone on CP has faced this too? What do you guys do when you clearly know you see things clearer but you're alone in that regards?
Jeremy Falcon
Todo? I judge people for who they are and not their intelligence. Work or even problem solving might be low on their priority list and I accept it. I’d prefer to work with quality people than people who are not; over smart people or people who pretend to be smart. I’d also prefer people not send me a gigantic email signature. I got one the other day that was 11 lines long, with a picture, and a disclaimer at the bottom!
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So, in our careers, I'm sure we've all learned there are really smart people and there are those that aren't. Maybe they pretend to be smart when not, maybe they embrace being not so smart and just laugh at it. Maybe they're not book smart, but street smart. And sometimes we think someone is less intelligent, when they're in fact super smart. And vice versa. Either way, you get the drift. However, despite appearances, there are those that seem to figure things out and those that don't. And by the nature of even suggesting you're more intelligent than another, also lends itself to arrogance. Which everyone knows arrogance and intelligence conflict and cannot be considered smart. And yet, even Einstein thought the world stupid. And of course, it doesn't mean to say that less intelligent people cannot teach more intelligent people things and vice versa. But, what do you guys do, when faced with a situation where you feel it's impossible to grow intellectually because of the environment? In situations where you clearly know you're the smartest in the room, save a few gems you meet on occasion? And I don't mean smart as in knowing more about computers. I mean smart as in being more aware and conscious, less in your head and more observant, picking up on things quicker, remembering more, etc... cognition and perception prowess as it were. Everyone else seems dazed and confused, and you get bored. I know for me, I've been annoyed and frustrated with this practically my whole life, to the point it can create undue stress. Which is counter intuitive and destructive actually, because increased "knowing" should make people happy. And frustration is bad juju that's contagious. And yet, I'm still undecided if this is mainly due to me looking for the worst in people and trying to feel smarter due to inherent insecurities, or in fact I just am. Or both. Surely, someone on CP has faced this too? What do you guys do when you clearly know you see things clearer but you're alone in that regards?
Jeremy Falcon
What the hell are you talking about? :confused: It sounds like you are overanalyzing your life, or a part of your perception of life. Chill out. Drink a beer, eat some good Mexican food, and get laid perhaps. Just a thought...
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And that's a wise stance on it. But, what happens when you feel even that's been exhausted from those in your daily life? Not everyone chooses to continue growth. People peak, get intellectually comfortable, and then coast it out until they die. I'm sure you can always use a constant reminder of what other people's perspectives are like and learn from that continuously, but what about when you even feel like that's been exhausted? Seems to be the only answer to is to move on. And I'm probably overthinking this. I need to grow a beard.
Jeremy Falcon
Yeah I know what you mean and it's frustrating but there's nothing you can do about it. A lot of people are content to not progress further and you just have to accept it. Fortunately I can chose who I hang with!
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
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So, in our careers, I'm sure we've all learned there are really smart people and there are those that aren't. Maybe they pretend to be smart when not, maybe they embrace being not so smart and just laugh at it. Maybe they're not book smart, but street smart. And sometimes we think someone is less intelligent, when they're in fact super smart. And vice versa. Either way, you get the drift. However, despite appearances, there are those that seem to figure things out and those that don't. And by the nature of even suggesting you're more intelligent than another, also lends itself to arrogance. Which everyone knows arrogance and intelligence conflict and cannot be considered smart. And yet, even Einstein thought the world stupid. And of course, it doesn't mean to say that less intelligent people cannot teach more intelligent people things and vice versa. But, what do you guys do, when faced with a situation where you feel it's impossible to grow intellectually because of the environment? In situations where you clearly know you're the smartest in the room, save a few gems you meet on occasion? And I don't mean smart as in knowing more about computers. I mean smart as in being more aware and conscious, less in your head and more observant, picking up on things quicker, remembering more, etc... cognition and perception prowess as it were. Everyone else seems dazed and confused, and you get bored. I know for me, I've been annoyed and frustrated with this practically my whole life, to the point it can create undue stress. Which is counter intuitive and destructive actually, because increased "knowing" should make people happy. And frustration is bad juju that's contagious. And yet, I'm still undecided if this is mainly due to me looking for the worst in people and trying to feel smarter due to inherent insecurities, or in fact I just am. Or both. Surely, someone on CP has faced this too? What do you guys do when you clearly know you see things clearer but you're alone in that regards?
Jeremy Falcon
Sometimes these realizations mean that you need to go to a different room, so to speak. Other times these realizations can really inspire growth. And introspection. And revelations. If you are the smartest guy in the room, are your criteria accurate? Are you measuring them correctly? Maybe you just need to think differently. Or maybe you really are the smartest guy in the room; it's certainly possible. So consider this: what will you do with it? Being the smartest guy could mean that you're completely delusional. Or it could also mean you're truly in a position to mentor somebody else. Believe me, you can learn even more by teaching / mentoring / coaching / whatever. Something to think about. :)
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I get what you're saying. Although, I would add to that the obvious disclaimer, that really only works in the realm of business. But, I totally get what you're saying. Maybe hearing this is the medicine I need to hear.
Jeremy Falcon
Goes beyond business, for instance even domestic cats are smarter then their human owners, all the cat needs to do is hang around and act friendly, the owner has to go out and earn money, buy the food, carry it home, open the tin, and put it on the plate. Sure if the owner dies the cat is SOL, but in normal day-to-day life the cat's way ahead. 'smartest' is relative and fluid. It's not about being best, it's about getting what you want. All the cat really wants is food with the least effort. And finally yes: if you're stuck working with or/and for idiots you will be dragged down, the opposite will never happen. Only way to improve that situation is to leave - but first [to show you're smarter] have a plan on what's next. (Even the cat might leave if the neighbours food is better or less work - but it'll most likely take both if it's not too hard.)
Sin tack the any key okay
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What the hell are you talking about? :confused: It sounds like you are overanalyzing your life, or a part of your perception of life. Chill out. Drink a beer, eat some good Mexican food, and get laid perhaps. Just a thought...
I get what you're saying.
Jeremy Falcon
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Sometimes these realizations mean that you need to go to a different room, so to speak. Other times these realizations can really inspire growth. And introspection. And revelations. If you are the smartest guy in the room, are your criteria accurate? Are you measuring them correctly? Maybe you just need to think differently. Or maybe you really are the smartest guy in the room; it's certainly possible. So consider this: what will you do with it? Being the smartest guy could mean that you're completely delusional. Or it could also mean you're truly in a position to mentor somebody else. Believe me, you can learn even more by teaching / mentoring / coaching / whatever. Something to think about. :)
Thanks for this. I think you may have hit the nail on the head here. I do think I need to continue my own growth though from people I consider more knowledgable than myself. It's just been my go-to for that has been books rather than those around me. But, your post rings totally true man. Thanks for your perspective.
Jeremy Falcon
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Funny you should mention that, you're actually damn near spot on with what I think I should do to continue to grow. Just put the focus elsewhere.
Jeremy Falcon
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Todo? I judge people for who they are and not their intelligence. Work or even problem solving might be low on their priority list and I accept it. I’d prefer to work with quality people than people who are not; over smart people or people who pretend to be smart. I’d also prefer people not send me a gigantic email signature. I got one the other day that was 11 lines long, with a picture, and a disclaimer at the bottom!
It's not from a place of judgement. Some things simply are. It's not an attempt to degrade the quality of a person either, but selfishly I can be impatient and want to continue the mind journey and I just complain about it apparently. Which is a fault of mine. Anyway, totally feel ya on those email sigs btw.
Jeremy Falcon
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But seriously, my mind goes at a billion MPH, and I find that I arrive at a conclusion long before everyone else, and that despite my best effort, I can't hurry everyone else up to the same conclusion, so while they're plodding along making committee decisions, I've got the code about halfway done in my mind and I'm ready to start actually writing it. That doesn't mean I think I'm smarter than everyone else, it's just that I instantly start mentally evaluating patterns and methods and coming up with a way forward, and then want to start implementing it. I usually have to wait for the requirements to catch up to me. Usually, I hit it right on the mark, but there are times when I have to make minor adjustments to account for the committee's lack of foresight and clarity. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013I guess to best put it, it's more like awareness I'm speaking of. Not even so much speed, since I can be slow myself at times. Some people are just more aware than others.
Jeremy Falcon
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Bonus points if the project holds mutual interest for a co-worker as well. You may find they are actually really smart on a topic that simply doesn't come up at work.
That's an excellent point.
Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah I know what you mean and it's frustrating but there's nothing you can do about it. A lot of people are content to not progress further and you just have to accept it. Fortunately I can chose who I hang with!
Someone's therapist knows all about you!
And I reckon that's the healthiest view on it. Thanks man.
Jeremy Falcon
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Goes beyond business, for instance even domestic cats are smarter then their human owners, all the cat needs to do is hang around and act friendly, the owner has to go out and earn money, buy the food, carry it home, open the tin, and put it on the plate. Sure if the owner dies the cat is SOL, but in normal day-to-day life the cat's way ahead. 'smartest' is relative and fluid. It's not about being best, it's about getting what you want. All the cat really wants is food with the least effort. And finally yes: if you're stuck working with or/and for idiots you will be dragged down, the opposite will never happen. Only way to improve that situation is to leave - but first [to show you're smarter] have a plan on what's next. (Even the cat might leave if the neighbours food is better or less work - but it'll most likely take both if it's not too hard.)
Sin tack the any key okay
Good points all around.
Jeremy Falcon
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Silly person! I am always right. You'll get over it. And now - get ready to be Puck'd: What fools these mortals be!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
;P
Jeremy Falcon
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And that's a wise stance on it. But, what happens when you feel even that's been exhausted from those in your daily life? Not everyone chooses to continue growth. People peak, get intellectually comfortable, and then coast it out until they die. I'm sure you can always use a constant reminder of what other people's perspectives are like and learn from that continuously, but what about when you even feel like that's been exhausted? Seems to be the only answer to is to move on. And I'm probably overthinking this. I need to grow a beard.
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
But, what happens when you feel even that's been exhausted from those in your daily life?
I come to the lounge :) :-D :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Todo? I judge people for who they are and not their intelligence. Work or even problem solving might be low on their priority list and I accept it. I’d prefer to work with quality people than people who are not; over smart people or people who pretend to be smart. I’d also prefer people not send me a gigantic email signature. I got one the other day that was 11 lines long, with a picture, and a disclaimer at the bottom!
jgakenhe wrote:
. I’d also prefer people not send me a gigantic email signature. I got one the other day that was 11 lines long, with a picture, and a disclaimer at the bottom!
Some of us are forced to use that signatures :sigh: :sigh:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Sometimes these realizations mean that you need to go to a different room, so to speak. Other times these realizations can really inspire growth. And introspection. And revelations. If you are the smartest guy in the room, are your criteria accurate? Are you measuring them correctly? Maybe you just need to think differently. Or maybe you really are the smartest guy in the room; it's certainly possible. So consider this: what will you do with it? Being the smartest guy could mean that you're completely delusional. Or it could also mean you're truly in a position to mentor somebody else. Believe me, you can learn even more by teaching / mentoring / coaching / whatever. Something to think about. :)
ronlease wrote:
Being the smartest guy could mean that you're completely delusional. Or it could also mean you're truly in a position to mentor somebody else. Believe me, you can learn even more by teaching / mentoring / coaching / whatever.
:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup: I can confirm it. Training the new co-workers in previous company was sometimes totally challenging me, how to explain that so obvious for me in a way that they understood it. You might not learn more technologically speaking (although you still do it) but what you do learn is social competence, how to communicate better and other staff that maybe will not increase your knowledge but your wisdom and make it a not a smarter but a better person
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
