So I think Edge might finally be a good browser.
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
Mike Marynowski wrote:
The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts,
That's odd. I find the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just a matter of how the individual computers are set up?
We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
Yeah, I might give it a try now that I can install an ad-blocker. Yes, I've noticed that Chrome (or maybe some of the websites I have open) keep using more and more memory and CPU to the point of the mouse stalling noticeably. I usually use Chrome and FF simultaneously so that I can be logged into two different google accounts at the same time, so will see how swapping Chrome for Edge goes.
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Chrome works fine for me - no freezing, no slow scroll, no problems at all - on my PC, the WookieTab, and Android devices I get no problems. Edge, on the other hand is an unmitigated pile of doggy do-dos - on Anniversary, admittedly but I doubt I'll use it when CE arrives here.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
I tend to only use Edge for shaving .. no doggie do-dos please...
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
Mike Marynowski wrote:
The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate).
That's been an MS vs Apple thing since at least the early 90s. MacOS always tried to render as close to print as possible, in contrast Windows text rendering fudged raster grids and line weights to make text more legible. (eg by putting a single row of black pixels where a mac would have two adjacent rows of gray because the floating point position for the line was halfway between two integers.) You're right that the difference has been getting progressively less as our screen resolutions have been getting higher, but when 640x480 on a 15" CRT meant ~55 DPI (vs standard 1x today being 96) it was a much bigger deal 25 years ago.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
I'm close to making that switch too... If only 1Password had an Edge extension ready... And my Edge font experience is the opposite of yours - [this linked image](https://studoot.github.io/ChromeVsEdge.png) has Chrome on the left, Edge on the right - I prefer Edge's font rendering!
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
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What about using the joke icon? ;P
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
That would be the same as explaining it -- and besides, I see that as an "I'm happy" emoji.
I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
Chrome is still my go to browser for web development. However, there's no denying that it is very resource hungry. It's smooth, it's nice, it's elegant but after couple of different windows with multiple tabs, it tends to slow down my computer! :( Which is why, I only use it for development only. My go to browser for all the other cases is the new Opera dev (with vpn) or FireFox dev. I use edge occasionally for office use only. Haven't yet tried the Creator's Update. Looking forward to it after your comment. :)
Piyush K Singh
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Mike Marynowski wrote:
The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate).
That's been an MS vs Apple thing since at least the early 90s. MacOS always tried to render as close to print as possible, in contrast Windows text rendering fudged raster grids and line weights to make text more legible. (eg by putting a single row of black pixels where a mac would have two adjacent rows of gray because the floating point position for the line was halfway between two integers.) You're right that the difference has been getting progressively less as our screen resolutions have been getting higher, but when 640x480 on a 15" CRT meant ~55 DPI (vs standard 1x today being 96) it was a much bigger deal 25 years ago.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
Chrome has its own rendering engine that is different from both Mac or Windows, which I think I subjectively prefer to both as well. It seems like the proper balance to me. Mac tries to smooth it too much, Windows not quite enough in some cases.
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
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Mike Marynowski wrote:
The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts,
That's odd. I find the opposite to be true. Maybe it's just a matter of how the individual computers are set up?
We won't sit down. We won't shut up. We won't go quietly away. YouTube and My Mu[sic], Films and Windows Programs, etc.
It depends on the font. Edge clearly has higher contrast, which I like, but the side effect of that is that when it's a bit jaggy you notice more. Sometimes it looks better, sometimes it doesn't. The CodeProject forum for example looks sharper on Edge and this particular font doesn't have jaggy issues. Others look quite a bit worse. Purely for readability Edge's rendering is probably easier on the eyes, but I think Chrome's looks better in a lot of cases. Either way, I am looking forward to when high DPI screens are the standard and this won't be an issue anymore.
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
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Chrome has its own rendering engine that is different from both Mac or Windows, which I think I subjectively prefer to both as well. It seems like the proper balance to me. Mac tries to smooth it too much, Windows not quite enough in some cases.
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
Good to know. I've never done any sort of intensive comparison. I use windows on a daily basis, the text looks fine. I use Chrome at work and Vivaldi (based on the same rendering engine) at home, the text looks fine. I don't use Macs regularly, but I've never had an issue with the font rendering on them. I realize other people can by more OCD about it, and it probably was more of an issue at the much lower DPIs of the early 90s when MS went in favor of making it look good on the screen, while Apple with desktop publishing as a major customer use went with trying to match print rendering above all else. High DPI screens should make all of that stuff a moot point in the next 10 to 15 years. High end laptops are already there, larger desktop monitors will need 6 or 8k to approximate the 300DPI baseline of modern printing.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
Even if it really is, their dirty "safer than chrome" ads aren't building any confidence in me.
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I'm close to making that switch too... If only 1Password had an Edge extension ready... And my Edge font experience is the opposite of yours - [this linked image](https://studoot.github.io/ChromeVsEdge.png) has Chrome on the left, Edge on the right - I prefer Edge's font rendering!
Java, Basic, who cares - it's all a bunch of tree-hugging hippy cr*p
CodeProject forums definitely look better in Edge. The higher contrast I was referring to really shines on fonts that don't have jaggy issues. But look at these examples: Edge vs Chrome Chrome's rendering always looks good, just sometimes with a bit less contrast. Edge's always has more contrast with harder edges but as a result it sometimes like like ass with much more aliasing. It's extremely noticeable in places where it happens, like the Facebook example above. The Edge rendering is extremely harsh.
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
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Even if it really is, their dirty "safer than chrome" ads aren't building any confidence in me.
Yeah definitely playing dirty a bit in their marketing. Google should launch a counter-campaign with a screenshot of the MS ad next to the results from the last Pwn2Own competition :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
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Chrome is still my go to browser for web development. However, there's no denying that it is very resource hungry. It's smooth, it's nice, it's elegant but after couple of different windows with multiple tabs, it tends to slow down my computer! :( Which is why, I only use it for development only. My go to browser for all the other cases is the new Opera dev (with vpn) or FireFox dev. I use edge occasionally for office use only. Haven't yet tried the Creator's Update. Looking forward to it after your comment. :)
Piyush K Singh
I can never seem to get into Opera but last time I tried it was probably a couple years ago. Maybe I'll give it another go sometime soon.
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
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Good to know. I've never done any sort of intensive comparison. I use windows on a daily basis, the text looks fine. I use Chrome at work and Vivaldi (based on the same rendering engine) at home, the text looks fine. I don't use Macs regularly, but I've never had an issue with the font rendering on them. I realize other people can by more OCD about it, and it probably was more of an issue at the much lower DPIs of the early 90s when MS went in favor of making it look good on the screen, while Apple with desktop publishing as a major customer use went with trying to match print rendering above all else. High DPI screens should make all of that stuff a moot point in the next 10 to 15 years. High end laptops are already there, larger desktop monitors will need 6 or 8k to approximate the 300DPI baseline of modern printing.
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
I'll repost the screenshot I posted to another message to highlight some problematic areas of rendering for Edge/Windows: Edge vs Chrome Edge/Windows is considerably harsher and more aliased in a lot of fonts, particularly bolded fonts.
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
Yes I do think so too. With features like restore tabs, it's becoming better and it was more responsive since it came out. But still it supports less extensions than chrome and debugging web apps still needs work. So, it will be some time till I make the switch
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
Until there's an ad-blocker available for Edge it's useless to me.
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I have been trying out Edge after most major updates since Windows 10 came out and always ended up hating it and going back to Chrome, but I think that has changed after this Creator's Update. Chrome seems to me like it has been getting slower and slower. Scrolling performance leaves a lot to be desired these days, and the latest update has tabs regularly freezing up for 5 seconds at a time on all my computers (1 mac laptop and 2 PCs). The one thing I really like about Edge is that it certainly feels a lot more responsive and the scrolling is buttery smooth. The only thing I'm kind of on the fence about is Edge's font rendering. Chrome has much smoother looking fonts, whereas Edge gives text a bit more contrast but it seems to come at the expense of smoothness. I don't think that will continue to be an issue after upgrading to a high DPI ultrawide in the near future, but it's a bit of an issue on my plebian 96 DPI monitor at the moment (although I do like the 30" of glorious real-estate). I removed my Chrome taskbar shortcuts and completely made the switch a few days ago and I gotta say I think I enjoy Edge more overall now. Anyone else try to make the transition after Creator's Update? What were your thoughts?
Blog: [Code Index] By Mike Marynowski | Business: Singulink
I have FireFox, Chrome, and Opera on my laptop. FireFox is a resource hog, easily taking more than 500MB RAM even though I only open one or two tabs. Chrome may seem to be using a few resource on the surface, but it spawns tonnes of child processes in the background. These browsers also become clunkier and clunkier with each update. I ended up using Opera for now. It has built in ads block, and it has free proxy to bypass blockade. Edge's scrolling is much more responsive and fast compared to all three, but it's still lacking in feature for now.
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Until there's an ad-blocker available for Edge it's useless to me.
There are ad blockers for Edge. Try searching "Ad Block" on Windows Store.
