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    Rob Philpott
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    Under duress, I bought a PS4 pro last week and I have to say the graphics on it are quite splendid, but I'm struggling with the controls. The last time I devoted a significant lump of my life to online gaming was when the original Call Of Duty (on PC) came out about 2003ish I think. I got quite good at it. My current thinking is that the PS4 controller is a blunt tool for running around shooting at stuff - I miss the precise control of the mouse. Any advice? Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

    Regards, Rob Philpott.

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      Under duress, I bought a PS4 pro last week and I have to say the graphics on it are quite splendid, but I'm struggling with the controls. The last time I devoted a significant lump of my life to online gaming was when the original Call Of Duty (on PC) came out about 2003ish I think. I got quite good at it. My current thinking is that the PS4 controller is a blunt tool for running around shooting at stuff - I miss the precise control of the mouse. Any advice? Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

      Regards, Rob Philpott.

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      Lost User
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      Doesn't using a joystick mean you get legal aimbotting aim assist?

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        Doesn't using a joystick mean you get legal aimbotting aim assist?

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        Bootking
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        Basically yeah. That is how pretty much all games work. You get aim assistance while using a joystick or gamepad, and I think that might be the reason that games don't let PC players and console players play each other online.

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          Under duress, I bought a PS4 pro last week and I have to say the graphics on it are quite splendid, but I'm struggling with the controls. The last time I devoted a significant lump of my life to online gaming was when the original Call Of Duty (on PC) came out about 2003ish I think. I got quite good at it. My current thinking is that the PS4 controller is a blunt tool for running around shooting at stuff - I miss the precise control of the mouse. Any advice? Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

          Regards, Rob Philpott.

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          W Balboos GHB
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          Never mind - I thought this was a porn thread . . .

          Ravings en masse^

          "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

          "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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            Basically yeah. That is how pretty much all games work. You get aim assistance while using a joystick or gamepad, and I think that might be the reason that games don't let PC players and console players play each other online.

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            Rob Philpott
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            Aha, right. So the joystick is so inaccurate the game corrects it for you. That kind of takes the skill away.

            Regards, Rob Philpott.

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              Never mind - I thought this was a porn thread . . .

              Ravings en masse^

              "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

              "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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              mouse in porn?? ?? Lost me there and google's not helping (videos listed but no explanation)

              Sin tack the any key okay

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                mouse in porn?? ?? Lost me there and google's not helping (videos listed but no explanation)

                Sin tack the any key okay

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                Munchies_Matt
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                You should have read the Privte Eye story about two men and a gerbil from many years back... It was very funny. :) --edit-- And it exists online: Funny Old World | The Ben Lomond Free Press[^]

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                • R Rob Philpott

                  Under duress, I bought a PS4 pro last week and I have to say the graphics on it are quite splendid, but I'm struggling with the controls. The last time I devoted a significant lump of my life to online gaming was when the original Call Of Duty (on PC) came out about 2003ish I think. I got quite good at it. My current thinking is that the PS4 controller is a blunt tool for running around shooting at stuff - I miss the precise control of the mouse. Any advice? Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

                  Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                  den2k88
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                  Right enough that when a shooter (can't remember whioch one, maybe a CoD) opened mixed servers for both PS and PC gamers they were forced to separate the platforms because palyers with keyboard + mouse were nearly unbeatable by console gamers.

                  * CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.

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                    You should have read the Privte Eye story about two men and a gerbil from many years back... It was very funny. :) --edit-- And it exists online: Funny Old World | The Ben Lomond Free Press[^]

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                    W Balboos GHB
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                    Thanks for explanation. Saved me the trouble of trying to be subtle.

                    Ravings en masse^

                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                      Doesn't using a joystick mean you get legal aimbotting aim assist?

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                      den2k88
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                      It depends on the game and usually online it is banned / disabled automatically. Halo 3 (or 4? can't remember) had a terrible joystick control that was nearly not progressive at all and caused me and my family nausea - one of the few games that ever did that to me. It hadn't aim assist and for me it was unplayable.

                      * CALL APOGEE, SAY AARDWOLF * GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X * Never pay more than 20 bucks for a computer game. * I'm a puny punmaker.

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                        Thanks for explanation. Saved me the trouble of trying to be subtle.

                        Ravings en masse^

                        "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                        "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                        megaadam
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                        Subtle Yes that's the word I was looking for when I read your first comment!

                        ... such stuff as dreams are made on

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                          You should have read the Privte Eye story about two men and a gerbil from many years back... It was very funny. :) --edit-- And it exists online: Funny Old World | The Ben Lomond Free Press[^]

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                          Lost User
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                          Ah, that's better. (Not really in the right place to do "those" videos :^) )

                          Sin tack the any key okay

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                            mouse in porn?? ?? Lost me there and google's not helping (videos listed but no explanation)

                            Sin tack the any key okay

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                            Rule 34 probably applies...

                            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                            • R Rob Philpott

                              Under duress, I bought a PS4 pro last week and I have to say the graphics on it are quite splendid, but I'm struggling with the controls. The last time I devoted a significant lump of my life to online gaming was when the original Call Of Duty (on PC) came out about 2003ish I think. I got quite good at it. My current thinking is that the PS4 controller is a blunt tool for running around shooting at stuff - I miss the precise control of the mouse. Any advice? Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

                              Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                              dandy72
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                              Rob Philpott wrote:

                              Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

                              I quit gaming (pretty much cold turkey) 10+ years ago, but even by that time I had been gaming for well over 20 years. Never, throughout that entire time, did I ever get used to console controllers. To this day, I'm useless with them. Mouse/keyboard FTW. [Edit] A few weeks ago I lucked out and managed to score a NES Classic (the now-discontinued miniaturized NES that Nintendo came out with last November, which had been impossible to find). Because it's got "one of those controllers", total use since then amounts to under 20 minutes...

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                                Rob Philpott wrote:

                                Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

                                I quit gaming (pretty much cold turkey) 10+ years ago, but even by that time I had been gaming for well over 20 years. Never, throughout that entire time, did I ever get used to console controllers. To this day, I'm useless with them. Mouse/keyboard FTW. [Edit] A few weeks ago I lucked out and managed to score a NES Classic (the now-discontinued miniaturized NES that Nintendo came out with last November, which had been impossible to find). Because it's got "one of those controllers", total use since then amounts to under 20 minutes...

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                                Richard Andrew x64
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                                Why did you quit? Were you spending too much time doing it?

                                The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                                  Under duress, I bought a PS4 pro last week and I have to say the graphics on it are quite splendid, but I'm struggling with the controls. The last time I devoted a significant lump of my life to online gaming was when the original Call Of Duty (on PC) came out about 2003ish I think. I got quite good at it. My current thinking is that the PS4 controller is a blunt tool for running around shooting at stuff - I miss the precise control of the mouse. Any advice? Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

                                  Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                  Nathan Minier
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                                  Depends. The PS4 controller is kinda suck; the X-Box 360/One controller is much more comfortable to use. I greatly prefer it to KB/M for shooters.

                                  "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies and statistics." - Benjamin Disraeli

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                                  • R Rob Philpott

                                    Under duress, I bought a PS4 pro last week and I have to say the graphics on it are quite splendid, but I'm struggling with the controls. The last time I devoted a significant lump of my life to online gaming was when the original Call Of Duty (on PC) came out about 2003ish I think. I got quite good at it. My current thinking is that the PS4 controller is a blunt tool for running around shooting at stuff - I miss the precise control of the mouse. Any advice? Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

                                    Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                    Joe Woodbury
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                                    Yes, the mouse is king. A few years ago, someone tested an online shooter where XBox and Windows users could compete. Windows users dominated the XBox users. I remember the universal opinion being that it was the mouse/keyboard which allowed much finer control. I've never much liked consoles anyway, but it does seem that most have aimbots built in.

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                                      Why did you quit? Were you spending too much time doing it?

                                      The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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                                      dandy72
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                                      Sudden and complete loss of interest in gaming. I call it "growing old". I still make an exception for the Grand Theft Auto series however, although with the 4-5 year gap (?) between games, by the time the next one comes out, what I last used for a gaming machine needs to be upgraded...so the repeating pattern has been to put together a kick-ass machine, play the game, then when I'm done with it, the machine gets recycled as a VM host (with an overkill video card)...

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                                        Under duress, I bought a PS4 pro last week and I have to say the graphics on it are quite splendid, but I'm struggling with the controls. The last time I devoted a significant lump of my life to online gaming was when the original Call Of Duty (on PC) came out about 2003ish I think. I got quite good at it. My current thinking is that the PS4 controller is a blunt tool for running around shooting at stuff - I miss the precise control of the mouse. Any advice? Am I right in thinking the mouse is king here?

                                        Regards, Rob Philpott.

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                                        Mark_Wallace
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                                        I never played many games on the PC (Scumm games and DooM notwithstanding), so I'm more used to using a joypad, and not having to sit up straight to use mouse & keyboard. That said, I only ever play silly little gamed on my phone, nowadays -- I'm even thinking of writing one myself, and calling it "Bloated Battery Killer!"

                                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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