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  • B Basildane

    I've been installing and using cameras for a little over 25 years now. In my home I have an array of HD infrared cameras connected to my self-written home automation system. The camera recording is done using Zoneminder, which is free. I recommend IP cameras that are at least HD. I caught a burglar (got their vehicle photo with tag number) last summer who broke into a neighbors house. Also, if you power the cameras via POE and have that all on a UPS, that's important too. It's not easy to get an affordable system that has enough quality to be useful. Grandstream makes dirt-cheap cameras that can get you started. Professional grade stuff will cost over $1000 per camera. Just yesterday I was 40 miles from home when UPS made a delivery. I could see him at the front door, and when he rang the "doorbell", I answered and thanked him, all from my desk at work in another city.

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    Wow! UPS made a delivery!?! Today gets stranger by the minute :) Pro-grade stuff is definitely not required here (thankfully, considering the price) as we just need to keep an eye on a fairly small space - additionally, we know exactly who is getting up to the shenanigans that have led up to this requirement, we just want a record of her doing it in case the situation escalates. Thanks for the recommendations.

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      I've been asked for some advice by someone who wants to monitor the area around her doorstep. Whilst I'm sure (or at least hope) that I can handle the IT side of things, I know next to nothing about cameras. Would it be possible to get pictures from an indoor camera pointing through the window that would be reasonably discernible by day or night or would she have to fork out for an external camera?

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      Remember that if you can see the camera from over the internet so potentially can others. Disable any non needed items and change any default passwords.

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        I wouldn't put the camera behind a window, issues such as reflection if brighter inside and if cold perhaps glass misting too. As others mentioned cameras are pretty cheap on-line (read the reviews because there is some crap too).

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        The front is rarely lit and windows are single-glazed so hopefully not too much of an issue (will take Richard's advice here and test with a phone or a lappy before deciding how safe an assumption this is). Very much hoping the troublesome neighbour will have departed by the time that misty windows become an issue!

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        • P PeejayAdams

          I've been asked for some advice by someone who wants to monitor the area around her doorstep. Whilst I'm sure (or at least hope) that I can handle the IT side of things, I know next to nothing about cameras. Would it be possible to get pictures from an indoor camera pointing through the window that would be reasonably discernible by day or night or would she have to fork out for an external camera?

          98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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          Joan M
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          There are plenty of smart cameras under 100$ that allow you to connect to them from your cell phone. Some of them also allow you to move them to orient to the right position.

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          • P PeejayAdams

            I've been asked for some advice by someone who wants to monitor the area around her doorstep. Whilst I'm sure (or at least hope) that I can handle the IT side of things, I know next to nothing about cameras. Would it be possible to get pictures from an indoor camera pointing through the window that would be reasonably discernible by day or night or would she have to fork out for an external camera?

            98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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            Lost User
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            Get cheap second hand smartphone.

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            • P PeejayAdams

              A test-run with a 'phone camera is exactly the sort of thing that I should have thought of but didn't! Thank you.

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              Lost User
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              I suppose you just peer through the net curtains.

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                I suppose you just peer through the net curtains.

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                PeejayAdams
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                Do people still have net curtains to peer through? I remember an old neighbour from when I was a young kid who used to do taht all day long - I used to wind her up a great deal by waving to her when I saw the curtains move.

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                • B Basildane

                  I've been installing and using cameras for a little over 25 years now. In my home I have an array of HD infrared cameras connected to my self-written home automation system. The camera recording is done using Zoneminder, which is free. I recommend IP cameras that are at least HD. I caught a burglar (got their vehicle photo with tag number) last summer who broke into a neighbors house. Also, if you power the cameras via POE and have that all on a UPS, that's important too. It's not easy to get an affordable system that has enough quality to be useful. Grandstream makes dirt-cheap cameras that can get you started. Professional grade stuff will cost over $1000 per camera. Just yesterday I was 40 miles from home when UPS made a delivery. I could see him at the front door, and when he rang the "doorbell", I answered and thanked him, all from my desk at work in another city.

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                  ZurdoDev
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                  Basildane wrote:

                  he rang the "doorbell", I

                  No one does that anymore. Not UPS, not FedEx, and not USPS. They just leave it at the door. No door bell ringing where I live.

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                    Basildane wrote:

                    he rang the "doorbell", I

                    No one does that anymore. Not UPS, not FedEx, and not USPS. They just leave it at the door. No door bell ringing where I live.

                    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                    Basildane
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                    All I can say is that I have video of it. And pushing the button initiated a VOIP call to my desk at work, which was logged. I live out in the country, so your mileage may vary. UPS and Fedex are very professional here. However, it took MONTHS to get them comfortable enough to get out of the truck as I have Russian Dobermans. I was able to make the introductions and convince them that they could leave with all their body parts still attached, and we are all friends now. They used to sit in the truck and honk until I went to them.

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                    • B Basildane

                      All I can say is that I have video of it. And pushing the button initiated a VOIP call to my desk at work, which was logged. I live out in the country, so your mileage may vary. UPS and Fedex are very professional here. However, it took MONTHS to get them comfortable enough to get out of the truck as I have Russian Dobermans. I was able to make the introductions and convince them that they could leave with all their body parts still attached, and we are all friends now. They used to sit in the truck and honk until I went to them.

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                      Basildane wrote:

                      I have video of it. And pushing the button initiated a VOIP call to my desk at work, which was logged.

                      Ya, I've seen some commercials online for a product that does that. Can't recall the name. Cool stuff.

                      There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                        Basildane wrote:

                        I have video of it. And pushing the button initiated a VOIP call to my desk at work, which was logged.

                        Ya, I've seen some commercials online for a product that does that. Can't recall the name. Cool stuff.

                        There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                        Basildane
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                        We use Asterisk, with FreePBX as the front-end for communications. All the video and security integration is custom.

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                          We use Asterisk, with FreePBX as the front-end for communications. All the video and security integration is custom.

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                          ZurdoDev
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                          That's pretty awesome you did it all yourself. I found the one I had seen ads for, Arlo by NETGEAR: Wireless & AC-Powered Security Cameras[^].

                          There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            I've been asked for some advice by someone who wants to monitor the area around her doorstep. Whilst I'm sure (or at least hope) that I can handle the IT side of things, I know next to nothing about cameras. Would it be possible to get pictures from an indoor camera pointing through the window that would be reasonably discernible by day or night or would she have to fork out for an external camera?

                            98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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                            Marc Clifton
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                            Get a rottweiler. ;) Marc

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                              I've been asked for some advice by someone who wants to monitor the area around her doorstep. Whilst I'm sure (or at least hope) that I can handle the IT side of things, I know next to nothing about cameras. Would it be possible to get pictures from an indoor camera pointing through the window that would be reasonably discernible by day or night or would she have to fork out for an external camera?

                              98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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                              I've seen ads for this, Arlo by NETGEAR: Wireless & AC-Powered Security Cameras[^], but do not know anything about them.

                              There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                Get a rottweiler. ;) Marc

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                                My boy Luke would throw a Rottweiler around like a chew toy. :)

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                                  I've been asked for some advice by someone who wants to monitor the area around her doorstep. Whilst I'm sure (or at least hope) that I can handle the IT side of things, I know next to nothing about cameras. Would it be possible to get pictures from an indoor camera pointing through the window that would be reasonably discernible by day or night or would she have to fork out for an external camera?

                                  98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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                                  dandy72
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                                  As I understand it, [Ring](https://ring.com/) is a motion-activated camera that effectively replaces an existing doorbell and installation consists of hooking it up to the two wires that should already be there. I'm not shilling for them, I just keep hearing it advertised on some podcasts I listen to. And it sounds to me like sometimes--as others have pointed out--it's just not worth trying to reinvent the wheel when simple ready-made solutions already exist.

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                                    We use Asterisk, with FreePBX as the front-end for communications. All the video and security integration is custom.

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                                    Nelek
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                                    Write an article? ;)

                                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                    • L ledtech3

                                      Remember that if you can see the camera from over the internet so potentially can others. Disable any non needed items and change any default passwords.

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                                      You sound paranoid, and um...hold on a sec....yes, you look paranoid as well!

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                                        You sound paranoid, and um...hold on a sec....yes, you look paranoid as well!

                                        "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                                        ledtech3
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                                        I do malware research, what can I say. I don't trust anything connected to the internet. Oh soot I need to disconnect now. ;)

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                                          I do malware research, what can I say. I don't trust anything connected to the internet. Oh soot I need to disconnect now. ;)

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                                          ledtech3 wrote:

                                          don't trust anything connected to the internet

                                          Truth! :thumbsup:

                                          "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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