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WTF: What is the purpose of printing a chip card photo on ID cards?

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    Jochen Arndt
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    US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

    DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

    Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

    See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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      US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

      DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

      Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

      See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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      jeron1
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      I'm sure we (US citizens) are paying top $ for that uncrackable (or should that be 'on crack-able'?) feature! :|

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        US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

        DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

        Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

        See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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        OriginalGriff
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        Didn't we get a question on hacking photographs of smartcards in QA? If not, wait for it, it'll be along soon! :laugh:

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        • J Jochen Arndt

          US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

          DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

          Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

          See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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          littleGreenDude
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          Security is an illusion, so why not perpetuate the illusion of security. Along these same lines, I think I'm going to carry a picture of a German Shepherd in my wallet to scare away pick pockets. :-D

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            US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

            DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

            Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

            See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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            MadMyche
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            Standards are only suggestions, just like Stop signs. No 2 of my *Smart Cards* (USMC, NWS, State Govt) have the same features, go figure. And its a real pain in the butt as my laptops haven't supported PCIMICA for quite some time. At least the NWS variant has a RealID marker on it

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              Security is an illusion, so why not perpetuate the illusion of security. Along these same lines, I think I'm going to carry a picture of a German Shepherd in my wallet to scare away pick pockets. :-D

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              OriginalGriff
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              littleGreenDude wrote:

              I'm going to carry a picture of a German Shepherd in my wallet to scare away pick pockets

              It would work on me...:~[^]

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                littleGreenDude wrote:

                I'm going to carry a picture of a German Shepherd in my wallet to scare away pick pockets

                It would work on me...:~[^]

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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                Lost User
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                Photo of Beiber & Dion would be far more effective, ... when they fall down foaming at the mouth you can get your wallet back.

                Sin tack the any key okay

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                  US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

                  DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

                  Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

                  See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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                  Lost User
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                  They can't steal the data off the chip if it's just a photo

                  Sin tack the any key okay

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                  • J Jochen Arndt

                    US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

                    DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

                    Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

                    See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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                    Marc Clifton
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                    First came fake news, now we have fake security, next will be fake government officials. Oh wait... :doh: Marc

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                      Photo of Beiber & Dion would be far more effective, ... when they fall down foaming at the mouth you can get your wallet back.

                      Sin tack the any key okay

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                      OriginalGriff
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                      Probably against the Geneva Convention, that one. :sigh:

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                      • J Jochen Arndt

                        US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

                        DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

                        Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

                        See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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                        realJSOP
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                        Security for thee, but not for me...

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                        • L littleGreenDude

                          Security is an illusion, so why not perpetuate the illusion of security. Along these same lines, I think I'm going to carry a picture of a German Shepherd in my wallet to scare away pick pockets. :-D

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                          Mark_Wallace
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                          I was considering pictures of mousetraps, but your solution is better, because mousetraps aren't loyal, but my own picture of a German shepherd wouldn't bite me.

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                          • J Jochen Arndt

                            US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

                            DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

                            Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

                            See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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                            Mark_Wallace
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                            Have you ever produced anything to government requirements? I dare say that the chips weren't available, or were rejected, for some reason or another, but the requirement read something like: PH3-000067.AA67B: All ID cards must have a visible smart chip. If thirteen @nal twits can't tick each a box related to that, the consignment's rejected.

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                            • J Jochen Arndt

                              US-Senator Ron Wyden asked this the Committe of Rules and Administration:

                              DocumentCloud.org (PDF)[^]:

                              Moreover, in contrast to the executive branch's widespread adoption of PIV cards with a smart chip, most Senate staff ID cards have a photo of a chip printed on them, rather than a real chip.

                              See also Picture this: Senate staffers’ ID cards have photo of smart chip, no security | Ars Technica[^].

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                              As far as senators understand technology, that's all the security they need. Remember, these are the same people that want backdoors in encryption.

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                              • L littleGreenDude

                                Security is an illusion, so why not perpetuate the illusion of security. Along these same lines, I think I'm going to carry a picture of a German Shepherd in my wallet to scare away pick pockets. :-D

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                                NoNotThatBob
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                                littleGreenDude wrote:

                                Security is an illusion

                                Guys working at the Atomic Weapons Establishment - many, many years ago - competed for the silliest successful ID pass. A card bearing the photo of Ayatollah Khomeini, and the lid from a tin of sardines, each passed the Security Guards.

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                                  Didn't we get a question on hacking photographs of smartcards in QA? If not, wait for it, it'll be along soon! :laugh:

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                                  enhzflep
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                                  :laughs: I see an opening for OpenCV here. Hmmm, or perhaps that's aNewCV - depending on the attitude of management and HR.

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                                    Security is an illusion, so why not perpetuate the illusion of security. Along these same lines, I think I'm going to carry a picture of a German Shepherd in my wallet to scare away pick pockets. :-D

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                                    Mark H2
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                                    I think the turd of a German Shepherd in your pocket may work better... :)

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                                      littleGreenDude wrote:

                                      Security is an illusion

                                      Guys working at the Atomic Weapons Establishment - many, many years ago - competed for the silliest successful ID pass. A card bearing the photo of Ayatollah Khomeini, and the lid from a tin of sardines, each passed the Security Guards.

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                                      Mark H2
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                                      I worked for ICL in Oz many years back. Admin guy gave me my ID card with a merino sheep mugshot (I'm an NZ'er). Brilliant!

                                      If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can. “We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone "The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone

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                                        I worked for ICL in Oz many years back. Admin guy gave me my ID card with a merino sheep mugshot (I'm an NZ'er). Brilliant!

                                        If your neighbours don't listen to The Ramones, turn it up real loud so they can. “We didn't have a positive song until we wrote 'Now I Wanna Sniff Some Glue!'” ― Dee Dee Ramone "The Democrats want my guns and the Republicans want my porno mags and I ain't giving up either" - Joey Ramone

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                                        Mark H2 wrote:

                                        Brilliant!

                                        :thumbsup: :laugh:

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