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  • M Munchies_Matt

    Of course not. The problem is that the continued inability of the middle ground parties to do anything about Islamicism is driving people to vote to the right. And eventually they will get in power. Then it is going to be a disaster. Of course Junkers hails this as a vote for the EU, it isnt, it is fear of the extreme right. The French are no more pro EU than the Brits, they just dont have the courage to stand up on their own. Junkers is of course trying to bolster his position in saying this.

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    Foothill
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    The problem with moderates is that when you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody. One thing about French politics that is nice to see is that, while there are two major parties, there are dozens of smaller parties that have enough following to actually get people elected. Here in the U.S. we have become a binary system which actively works to keep completing political parties subdued. One could argue that the only thing that they work together on is making sure that nearly every seat in Congress is filled with and Republican or Democrat. While this has worked nicely to keep them in power it has adversely affected the mindset of the party leadership. At one point, compromise helped further a lot of agendas at the same time. You didn't get everything you wanted but you did get something accomplished and made progress. Nowadays, the divide in Washington is so pronounced and so bitter that both parties actively try to undermine the other so the only goal is win enough seats in the election to gain or maintain a majority. Each party seems to take turns undoing what the other party did so very little progress is made on any social political front. With each political cycle, the number of qualified people in Washington decreases. Candidates no long campaign on a platform of goals and ideas. Campaigns have devolved from debating issues to identify the better candidate to a school-yard pissing contest that attempts to sway the electorate that the other candidate is worse. No intelligent, self-respecting person would put themselves through such torture. Eventually, only narcissists and sociopaths will be left in Washington.

    if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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    • M Munchies_Matt

      The French elect the 'I am going to do nothing' Macron instead of the Fascists by 2/3rds to 1/3rd.

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      What do you mean by "Fascist"?

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        What do you mean by "Fascist"?

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        Munchies_Matt
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        The National Front. Traditionally nationalistic, racist, xenophobic.

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          The National Front. Traditionally nationalistic, racist, xenophobic.

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          puromtec1
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          Your answer brings up more questions. Should all cultures and people from other parts of the world be regarded as the same and have free movement in and out of any country? Should the United States have taken down its flag after being attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor so as to not appear nationalistic by defending itself? Have you ever gone on vacation to another country, and, if so, have you visited Yemen, El Savador, or Somalia? If not, why not and should you be considered xenophobic for deciding not to visit? If we are in fact all the same, then why are our laws so different? For example, why is the federal age of consent in Mexico only 12 years old?

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          • P puromtec1

            Your answer brings up more questions. Should all cultures and people from other parts of the world be regarded as the same and have free movement in and out of any country? Should the United States have taken down its flag after being attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor so as to not appear nationalistic by defending itself? Have you ever gone on vacation to another country, and, if so, have you visited Yemen, El Savador, or Somalia? If not, why not and should you be considered xenophobic for deciding not to visit? If we are in fact all the same, then why are our laws so different? For example, why is the federal age of consent in Mexico only 12 years old?

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            Munchies_Matt
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            Well, I just described for you what the French 'Front National' are, traditionally. What you ask is whether the developed world should have standards. We should, and do.

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            • F Foothill

              The problem with moderates is that when you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody. One thing about French politics that is nice to see is that, while there are two major parties, there are dozens of smaller parties that have enough following to actually get people elected. Here in the U.S. we have become a binary system which actively works to keep completing political parties subdued. One could argue that the only thing that they work together on is making sure that nearly every seat in Congress is filled with and Republican or Democrat. While this has worked nicely to keep them in power it has adversely affected the mindset of the party leadership. At one point, compromise helped further a lot of agendas at the same time. You didn't get everything you wanted but you did get something accomplished and made progress. Nowadays, the divide in Washington is so pronounced and so bitter that both parties actively try to undermine the other so the only goal is win enough seats in the election to gain or maintain a majority. Each party seems to take turns undoing what the other party did so very little progress is made on any social political front. With each political cycle, the number of qualified people in Washington decreases. Candidates no long campaign on a platform of goals and ideas. Campaigns have devolved from debating issues to identify the better candidate to a school-yard pissing contest that attempts to sway the electorate that the other candidate is worse. No intelligent, self-respecting person would put themselves through such torture. Eventually, only narcissists and sociopaths will be left in Washington.

              if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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              Foothill wrote:

              Eventually, only narcissists and sociopaths will be left in Washington.

              Eventually? I think *that* horse escaped the barn years ago...

              ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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              • F Foothill

                The problem with moderates is that when you try to please everybody, you end up pleasing nobody. One thing about French politics that is nice to see is that, while there are two major parties, there are dozens of smaller parties that have enough following to actually get people elected. Here in the U.S. we have become a binary system which actively works to keep completing political parties subdued. One could argue that the only thing that they work together on is making sure that nearly every seat in Congress is filled with and Republican or Democrat. While this has worked nicely to keep them in power it has adversely affected the mindset of the party leadership. At one point, compromise helped further a lot of agendas at the same time. You didn't get everything you wanted but you did get something accomplished and made progress. Nowadays, the divide in Washington is so pronounced and so bitter that both parties actively try to undermine the other so the only goal is win enough seats in the election to gain or maintain a majority. Each party seems to take turns undoing what the other party did so very little progress is made on any social political front. With each political cycle, the number of qualified people in Washington decreases. Candidates no long campaign on a platform of goals and ideas. Campaigns have devolved from debating issues to identify the better candidate to a school-yard pissing contest that attempts to sway the electorate that the other candidate is worse. No intelligent, self-respecting person would put themselves through such torture. Eventually, only narcissists and sociopaths will be left in Washington.

                if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                Mark_Wallace
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                Welcome to the 1700s. Unfortunately, things haven't got any better, since then.

                I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  Welcome to the 1700s. Unfortunately, things haven't got any better, since then.

                  I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                  Foothill
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                  Well, I have seen a some theories that state that the old aristocracy didn't disappear completely (some of which make pretty convincing arguments). Instead of exerting noble influence, they now exert monetary influence. Since I am no position to determine it either way, all I can do is speculate.

                  if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                  • M Mark_Wallace

                    Welcome to the 1700s. Unfortunately, things haven't got any better, since then.

                    I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                    realJSOP
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                    It's "gotten".

                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                    • F Foothill

                      Well, I have seen a some theories that state that the old aristocracy didn't disappear completely (some of which make pretty convincing arguments). Instead of exerting noble influence, they now exert monetary influence. Since I am no position to determine it either way, all I can do is speculate.

                      if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                      Mark_Wallace
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                      It would fit in well with human nature.

                      I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                      • R realJSOP

                        It's "gotten".

                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                        Mark_Wallace
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                        Luddite!

                        I wanna be a eunuchs developer! Pass me a bread knife!

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                        • R realJSOP

                          It's "gotten".

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          Munchies_Matt
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                          "It's "gotten"." In the 17th century perhaps.... ;P

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