Is it a violation...
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... to shut down an open WIFI in the neighborhood? I just did it :doh: [Edit] router brand shown in wifi Networks, router's factory user and pwd valid...
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... to shut down an open WIFI in the neighborhood? I just did it :doh: [Edit] router brand shown in wifi Networks, router's factory user and pwd valid...
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Perhaps it was a honeypot. :-\
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... to shut down an open WIFI in the neighborhood? I just did it :doh: [Edit] router brand shown in wifi Networks, router's factory user and pwd valid...
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Q: Is it a "violation" to enter someone's home if they leave the door unlocked? A: Yes. There is your answer... :doh:
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But in case of Switzerland: The "owner" of the WIFI- Network is responsible what happens on his net... means if somebody uses your unsecured network for iligeal things you (the Network owner) is responsible for that. So I think I helped more than I violate. ? [Edit] Not to speak about, what Youngsters can join, what they can't at home :doh:
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Q: Is it a "violation" to enter someone's home if they leave the door unlocked? A: Yes. There is your answer... :doh:
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Actually over here, it isn't ...
Tom
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Actually over here, it isn't ...
Tom
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OK... seems odd. How do you feel about that? What if a window is left unlocked?
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
It's some stupid, obscure law but ... Basically if someone breaks in and you didn't lock the door it's not really a break in. I'm guessing windows have same rule, and it's probably originally introduced so insurance company's could get out off paying... Same thing with confronting a burglar. Law states you can only do it with "equal weapons". So first you have to ask the burglar if he has a knife / gun / potato peeler. Then ask him to wait till you get the same weapon. And then you can defend yourself with the same weapon. Stupid but ... politicians you know ...
Tom
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OK... seems odd. How do you feel about that? What if a window is left unlocked?
In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. ~ Ronald Reagan
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I think going into an unlocked house is something different. With an unlocked net you can do illegal things. The comparison of These two cases makes no sense.
0x01AA wrote:
With an unlocked net you can do illegal things.
You can do illegal things in an unlocked house too. :doh:
0x01AA wrote:
The comparison of These two cases makes no sense.
Sure it does. In both cases you are accessing a stranger's private property.
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... to shut down an open WIFI in the neighborhood? I just did it :doh: [Edit] router brand shown in wifi Networks, router's factory user and pwd valid...
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You beat me to it. +5
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... to shut down an open WIFI in the neighborhood? I just did it :doh: [Edit] router brand shown in wifi Networks, router's factory user and pwd valid...
You've always struck me as kind of shady... ;p
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You've always struck me as kind of shady... ;p
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... to shut down an open WIFI in the neighborhood? I just did it :doh: [Edit] router brand shown in wifi Networks, router's factory user and pwd valid...
Who knows what was using that WIFI... Probably you just have shut down an open wifi with no more consequences than the owner headache to find out what happened and to try to restart it... It could be the house of an old person who needed the connection to communicate with his/her young ones, we have that for some IP cameras in our granddads home (of course not in an open wifi). It could be a way to have some guests connected at home and not giving them a password... It could be something important for the owner to have it that way... If you know the owner the best is telling him/her about having the WIFI open, or not doing anything about it (if you are paranoic on what could happen). Your action could have consequences for the owner, this should answer your question, but anyway... It is a violation and something that should not be done in any case.
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Who knows what was using that WIFI... Probably you just have shut down an open wifi with no more consequences than the owner headache to find out what happened and to try to restart it... It could be the house of an old person who needed the connection to communicate with his/her young ones, we have that for some IP cameras in our granddads home (of course not in an open wifi). It could be a way to have some guests connected at home and not giving them a password... It could be something important for the owner to have it that way... If you know the owner the best is telling him/her about having the WIFI open, or not doing anything about it (if you are paranoic on what could happen). Your action could have consequences for the owner, this should answer your question, but anyway... It is a violation and something that should not be done in any case.
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It's some stupid, obscure law but ... Basically if someone breaks in and you didn't lock the door it's not really a break in. I'm guessing windows have same rule, and it's probably originally introduced so insurance company's could get out off paying... Same thing with confronting a burglar. Law states you can only do it with "equal weapons". So first you have to ask the burglar if he has a knife / gun / potato peeler. Then ask him to wait till you get the same weapon. And then you can defend yourself with the same weapon. Stupid but ... politicians you know ...
Tom
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Nice one. And if an owner of such an open net will be attacked you will state that it was their mistake to let it open :confused: No, no, no. To the old Person in my neighborhood I take care... not by net, personally!
0x01AA wrote:
And if an owner of such an open net will be attacked you will state that it was their mistake to let it open
No, if you leave your door open and someone enters your house is still the one who enters the one who breaks the law. Of course it is not a good habit leaving the door open. And of course it is not a good habit to have a WIFI open. But someone could have left the door open for a good reason: "I don't have now the keys, but I need to go at my neighbor house in front of mine so I will go there and back in a minute while I'm seeing the door." If you come and close the door then you can create a big problem. In any case it is not anyone's business to shut it down (except for the owner). There are laws to follow, and people who enforce them. You are not the one to decide what is OK or not neither the one to decide to stop a service for someone even if that is not being used correctly. In your original post you are already asking if it is a violation or not... usually when someone has to ask... Probably nothing terrible will have happened because you've shut a WIFI down, and probably your reasons were honest (and not only I have the power to do it so I will do it), but you could have caused problems by doing it so it would have been better not doing it at all.
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0x01AA wrote:
And if an owner of such an open net will be attacked you will state that it was their mistake to let it open
No, if you leave your door open and someone enters your house is still the one who enters the one who breaks the law. Of course it is not a good habit leaving the door open. And of course it is not a good habit to have a WIFI open. But someone could have left the door open for a good reason: "I don't have now the keys, but I need to go at my neighbor house in front of mine so I will go there and back in a minute while I'm seeing the door." If you come and close the door then you can create a big problem. In any case it is not anyone's business to shut it down (except for the owner). There are laws to follow, and people who enforce them. You are not the one to decide what is OK or not neither the one to decide to stop a service for someone even if that is not being used correctly. In your original post you are already asking if it is a violation or not... usually when someone has to ask... Probably nothing terrible will have happened because you've shut a WIFI down, and probably your reasons were honest (and not only I have the power to do it so I will do it), but you could have caused problems by doing it so it would have been better not doing it at all.
