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  • R realJSOP

    Dates. A date is represented as either a floating point value or "datetime". So far so good. I set the date to 0, and the resulting datetime representation was null. Hmmmm. I set it to 1, and the datetime was 31 Dec 1899. Well, okay... I guess. The real adventure starts when you try to find the absolute max datetime that can be represented. There is no documentation that I could find that says what this value is, and I think I know why. That value is 313740917827896, or 31 Dec 4294967295. If you add 1 to the numeric value, the represented datetime becomes 01 Jan 0000. If you continue adding, you can go all the way to 313740918558381, which gives you a datetime of 31 Dec 1999. If you add 1 to that value, it finally overflows into something that evidently cannot be interpreted as a date. If you really want a laugh, I changed that absolute max value to a negative number, and I got a datetime of 4294967292 Jan 1900. Yes, that first number is the DAY. Curiously, it's almost the same value as the max possible year (before it wraps around). I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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    So I was texting this cute girl when she asked me "What's your perfect date?" I said "dd-MM-yyyy, anything else is just confusing." She never texted back :(

    Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      So I was texting this cute girl when she asked me "What's your perfect date?" I said "dd-MM-yyyy, anything else is just confusing." She never texted back :(

      Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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      She probably was used to MM/dd/yyyy and didn't want to confuse you even more :)

      -- "My software never has bugs. It just develops random features."

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        She probably was used to MM/dd/yyyy and didn't want to confuse you even more :)

        -- "My software never has bugs. It just develops random features."

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        Sander Rossel
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        Seems like I've dodged a bullet then! :laugh:

        Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          So I was texting this cute girl when she asked me "What's your perfect date?" I said "dd-MM-yyyy, anything else is just confusing." She never texted back :(

          Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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          "Can I compare thee to a summer's day?" Because July the 17th was quite nice, and ... where are you going?

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!

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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            Seems like I've dodged a bullet then! :laugh:

            Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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            Lost User
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            All of you are wrong, yyyy-mm-dd is objectively the best format.

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            • L Lost User

              All of you are wrong, yyyy-mm-dd is objectively the best format.

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              Sander Rossel
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              No it's not, why start with a number that only changes once in a millenium? The least you could do is stick that somewhere in the middle! Start with the day, however, and you'll probably never have to read past the first two digits :)

              Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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              • R realJSOP

                Dates. A date is represented as either a floating point value or "datetime". So far so good. I set the date to 0, and the resulting datetime representation was null. Hmmmm. I set it to 1, and the datetime was 31 Dec 1899. Well, okay... I guess. The real adventure starts when you try to find the absolute max datetime that can be represented. There is no documentation that I could find that says what this value is, and I think I know why. That value is 313740917827896, or 31 Dec 4294967295. If you add 1 to the numeric value, the represented datetime becomes 01 Jan 0000. If you continue adding, you can go all the way to 313740918558381, which gives you a datetime of 31 Dec 1999. If you add 1 to that value, it finally overflows into something that evidently cannot be interpreted as a date. If you really want a laugh, I changed that absolute max value to a negative number, and I got a datetime of 4294967292 Jan 1900. Yes, that first number is the DAY. Curiously, it's almost the same value as the max possible year (before it wraps around). I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                -----
                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                -----
                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                Brisingr Aerowing
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                :wtf: Kill it! Kill it with fire!

                What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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                • R realJSOP

                  Dates. A date is represented as either a floating point value or "datetime". So far so good. I set the date to 0, and the resulting datetime representation was null. Hmmmm. I set it to 1, and the datetime was 31 Dec 1899. Well, okay... I guess. The real adventure starts when you try to find the absolute max datetime that can be represented. There is no documentation that I could find that says what this value is, and I think I know why. That value is 313740917827896, or 31 Dec 4294967295. If you add 1 to the numeric value, the represented datetime becomes 01 Jan 0000. If you continue adding, you can go all the way to 313740918558381, which gives you a datetime of 31 Dec 1999. If you add 1 to that value, it finally overflows into something that evidently cannot be interpreted as a date. If you really want a laugh, I changed that absolute max value to a negative number, and I got a datetime of 4294967292 Jan 1900. Yes, that first number is the DAY. Curiously, it's almost the same value as the max possible year (before it wraps around). I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                  -----
                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                  -----
                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                  Mycroft Holmes
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                  I can understand exploring the min value boundaries but extending your research to those lengths is just cruel. I obviously dodged a bullet when I delegated that particular load if crap to another developer.

                  Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                  • L Lost User

                    All of you are wrong, yyyy-mm-dd is objectively the best format.

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                    Rick York
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                    It also conforms to ISO 8601.

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                    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                      No it's not, why start with a number that only changes once in a millenium? The least you could do is stick that somewhere in the middle! Start with the day, however, and you'll probably never have to read past the first two digits :)

                      Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                      Wendelius
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                      I don't understand why you're so in love with numbers. Nothing beats localized text so better to use "dddd d MMMM yy". It's just so readable and drops the unnecessary century. We're all at the same millennia here, right? :)

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                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                        No it's not, why start with a number that only changes once in a millenium? The least you could do is stick that somewhere in the middle! Start with the day, however, and you'll probably never have to read past the first two digits :)

                        Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                        Jorgen Andersson
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                        Sander Rossel wrote:

                        No it's not, why start with a number that only changes once in a millenium?

                        Because its sortable as text. That's basically the whole point with making it THE standard. ISO 8601 - Wikipedia[^]

                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                        • R realJSOP

                          Dates. A date is represented as either a floating point value or "datetime". So far so good. I set the date to 0, and the resulting datetime representation was null. Hmmmm. I set it to 1, and the datetime was 31 Dec 1899. Well, okay... I guess. The real adventure starts when you try to find the absolute max datetime that can be represented. There is no documentation that I could find that says what this value is, and I think I know why. That value is 313740917827896, or 31 Dec 4294967295. If you add 1 to the numeric value, the represented datetime becomes 01 Jan 0000. If you continue adding, you can go all the way to 313740918558381, which gives you a datetime of 31 Dec 1999. If you add 1 to that value, it finally overflows into something that evidently cannot be interpreted as a date. If you really want a laugh, I changed that absolute max value to a negative number, and I got a datetime of 4294967292 Jan 1900. Yes, that first number is the DAY. Curiously, it's almost the same value as the max possible year (before it wraps around). I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                          -----
                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                          Jorgen Andersson
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                          Obviously lacks a few checks. But you can make life a bit easier if you have a look at DateTime.FromOADate Method (Double) (System)[^] and DateTime.ToOADate Method (System)[^]

                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                            Sander Rossel wrote:

                            No it's not, why start with a number that only changes once in a millenium?

                            Because its sortable as text. That's basically the whole point with making it THE standard. ISO 8601 - Wikipedia[^]

                            Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                            Sander Rossel
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                            Real men sort on substrings! ;p And the really very manly men sort Wendelius' format :~

                            Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                              I don't understand why you're so in love with numbers. Nothing beats localized text so better to use "dddd d MMMM yy". It's just so readable and drops the unnecessary century. We're all at the same millennia here, right? :)

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                              Sander Rossel
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                              Great idea, that is now the default format in all my applications :D

                              Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                No it's not, why start with a number that only changes once in a millenium? The least you could do is stick that somewhere in the middle! Start with the day, however, and you'll probably never have to read past the first two digits :)

                                Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                                That format is the most sortable.

                                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                -----
                                You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                -----
                                When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                  Obviously lacks a few checks. But you can make life a bit easier if you have a look at DateTime.FromOADate Method (Double) (System)[^] and DateTime.ToOADate Method (System)[^]

                                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                  realJSOP
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                                  I'm not sure how something in C# is applicable to the sh|t stain we all know as Qlikview.

                                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                  -----
                                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                  -----
                                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                  • R realJSOP

                                    I'm not sure how something in C# is applicable to the sh|t stain we all know as Qlikview.

                                    ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                    -----
                                    When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                    Jorgen Andersson
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                                    Just me assuming you were using it via an interface

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                                      Just me assuming you were using it via an interface

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                                      realJSOP
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                                      Qlikview is a stand-alone app with no support for plug-ins, or even real coding talent, although it requires one to be able to figure out workarounds for their arbitrary restrictions, numerous limitations, and bugs that they prefer to call "nuances". As a programmer, Qlikview's "programming" features are an affront to my developer sensibilities. If anyone on the planet was in danger of having physical harm inflicted on them from a carefully aimed shot, it's the sub-humans that invented Qlikview.

                                      ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                      -----
                                      When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                      • R realJSOP

                                        Qlikview is a stand-alone app with no support for plug-ins, or even real coding talent, although it requires one to be able to figure out workarounds for their arbitrary restrictions, numerous limitations, and bugs that they prefer to call "nuances". As a programmer, Qlikview's "programming" features are an affront to my developer sensibilities. If anyone on the planet was in danger of having physical harm inflicted on them from a carefully aimed shot, it's the sub-humans that invented Qlikview.

                                        ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                        -----
                                        You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                        -----
                                        When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                        MarkTJohnson
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                                        Thank you for making the mess I code in seem reasonable. "I do love my job, I do love my job. I do, I do, I do, I do I do love my job!"

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                                        • R realJSOP

                                          Qlikview is a stand-alone app with no support for plug-ins, or even real coding talent, although it requires one to be able to figure out workarounds for their arbitrary restrictions, numerous limitations, and bugs that they prefer to call "nuances". As a programmer, Qlikview's "programming" features are an affront to my developer sensibilities. If anyone on the planet was in danger of having physical harm inflicted on them from a carefully aimed shot, it's the sub-humans that invented Qlikview.

                                          ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
                                          -----
                                          When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                                          Jorgen Andersson
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                                          Sounds like it's even worse than Crystal Reports then.

                                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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