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  • D Daniel Pfeffer

    Read the article, not just the headline. The article mentions criminals with dual nationality, which typically means that they are immigrants, i.e. naturalised citizens. A naturalised citizen's rights differ from those of a natural-born citizen, in that a naturalised citizen may lose his/her citizenship under certain circumstances. Note that a naturalised citizen may (in some countries) lose their citizenship for perfectly innocent reasons, e.g. they lived abroad for more than a specified time.

    If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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    Law is a funny thing, it is created to suit the situation....

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      > I don't know any Religion or civilized group which accept paedophilia New Guinea: Google[^] Afghanistan: Bacha bazi - Wikipedia[^] Of course you can question whether these are civilised, or religious, but it exists. But of course I chose an extreme and emotive subject to highlight an issue: Does 'religion' give you free reign to break the laws of society?

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      Maybe I'm naive, but no, non of the civilized groups or religions do tolerate things like paedophilia. It is more that "an non restricted www" does support this. Even I think technically it should an easy thing to stop it! And yes, I'm Aware the Problem is not new, but with WWW it becomes another Dimension, which nobody like to stop. Why?

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        Maybe I'm naive, but no, non of the civilized groups or religions do tolerate things like paedophilia. It is more that "an non restricted www" does support this. Even I think technically it should an easy thing to stop it! And yes, I'm Aware the Problem is not new, but with WWW it becomes another Dimension, which nobody like to stop. Why?

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        Well, ancient Rome and Greece did support it, and they were so civilised we depend on them for todays civilisation. But clearly if you define civilised as not supporting paedophilia then of course you can argue that no civilised society does. However to an Afghani he is civilised and you are a pagan.

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          Well, ancient Rome and Greece did support it, and they were so civilised we depend on them for todays civilisation. But clearly if you define civilised as not supporting paedophilia then of course you can argue that no civilised society does. However to an Afghani he is civilised and you are a pagan.

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          But we are here and now. We should be able to stop things like this!

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          • D Daniel Pfeffer

            The problem with your suggestions is that they are contrary to the most basic principles of Western Civilization. The biggest problem with Europe is multiculturalism, i.e. the idea that all cultures are equal. They obviously are not. If someone brings his custom of child marriage from the Third World to the UK, it should not be excused on the grounds of "cultural diversity"; he and his accessories (the girl's parents) should be prosecuted for statutory rape. If a girl's family think that "honour killings" are acceptable, perhaps a life sentence bunged up with their own chamber pots will teach them differently. And if some murderous bastards even think of planning terrorist actions, the laws designed to handle the IRA are still on the books; lock them up until they're too feeble to even lift a knife, to say nothing of stabbing someone with it!

            If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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            The biggest problem with Europe is multiculturalism

            Yep! Exactly the part which the "other" side is not able to handle! [Edit] And btw I don't see _any_ reason why _we_ should adjust to the immigrants [/Edit]

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            • S Slacker007

              God be with the victims and their families. Hope you guys learn that you have really big fucking problems right now with no solutions in site, and your governments are to blame.

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              NoNotThatBob
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              Slacker007 wrote:

              your governments are to blame

              They certainly are. For joining the USA in their destabilization of the 'Middle East'. (Prior to that, for the League of Nations not giving control of the Ottoman Arab states to the Arabs, post WW1)

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              • S Slacker007

                God be with the victims and their families. Hope you guys learn that you have really big fucking problems right now with no solutions in site, and your governments are to blame.

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                Slacker007 wrote:

                and your governments are to blame

                Hard to fire them, isn't it? No matter what you choose, the same idiots come back.

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                • S Slacker007

                  God be with the victims and their families. Hope you guys learn that you have really big fucking problems right now with no solutions in site, and your governments are to blame.

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                  Hope you guys learn that you have really big f***ing problems right now with no solutions in site, and your governments are to blame. Should I repeat this for Asia, Africa and the friggin North Pole?

                  Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                    Hope you guys learn that you have really big f***ing problems right now with no solutions in site, and your governments are to blame. Should I repeat this for Asia, Africa and the friggin North Pole?

                    Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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                    Sander Rossel wrote:

                    Should I repeat this for Asia, Africa and the friggin North Pole?

                    What did Santa Clause do? :omg:

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                      Should I repeat this for Asia, Africa and the friggin North Pole?

                      What did Santa Clause do? :omg:

                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                      Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                      What did Santa Clause do? :OMG:

                      The bastard hasn't bought me a present for nearly 40 years.

                      Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                      • M Munchies_Matt

                        Where their great grandparents came from of course. Buy their property and business' off them at market rates. Give them the cash. Put them on planes. Problem solved in a fair and decent way.

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                        Something like this was tried some time ago in a certain country ... Sir Care to guess which one?

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                          But we are here and now. We should be able to stop things like this!

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                          Munchies_Matt
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                          Only by eradicating their culture. Of course to a muslim drinking alcohol and a woman not wearing a headscarf is worse than having sex with a boy or girl, so to them it is your culture that needs eradicating. Which is what they are trying to do.

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                            Something like this was tried some time ago in a certain country ... Sir Care to guess which one?

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                            Munchies_Matt
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                            Yes, and no one would take them in. DO you remember you history? Hitler wanted the creation of Israel in order to move jews there. We dont need to do that with muslims. You must realise how much stress it causes a muslim to live in the west? Exposure to semi naked women, alcohol, gays all over the place, people lending money for interest, bacon? I really think they would be happier back in their native countries.

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                              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                              What did Santa Clause do? :OMG:

                              The bastard hasn't bought me a present for nearly 40 years.

                              Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                              Michael Martin wrote:

                              The bastard hasn't bought me a present for nearly 40 years

                              He hasn't brought me a present in over 53 years! :mad::mad::mad: (The fact that I'm Jewish, and therefore don't celebrate Christmas, has nothing to do with it... :) )

                              If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                Michael Martin wrote:

                                The bastard hasn't bought me a present for nearly 40 years

                                He hasn't brought me a present in over 53 years! :mad::mad::mad: (The fact that I'm Jewish, and therefore don't celebrate Christmas, has nothing to do with it... :) )

                                If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                                He hasn't brought me a present in over 53 years! :mad: :mad: :mad:

                                So even if this is from the time you are born and not from the last time Santa bought you a present, you are still older than me. Yay, there are still people older than me on the internet.

                                Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                  Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                                  He hasn't brought me a present in over 53 years! :mad: :mad: :mad:

                                  So even if this is from the time you are born and not from the last time Santa bought you a present, you are still older than me. Yay, there are still people older than me on the internet.

                                  Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                  Obligatory xkcd: [Old-Timers](https://xkcd.com/1058/)

                                  If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                  • M Munchies_Matt

                                    You mean Pakistanis often marry Syrians? You would be lucky. They probably only marry people from their own village. Anyway, give them the choice. Perhaps they can have dual naationality, who gives a fuck, provided they arent in the UK. The first thing to do is outlaw halal meat production. It is illegal anyway, under EU and UK law. Then ban the burkah, and all head coverings, as being representetive of women repression. Then lets empty the prisons and repatriate all muslim inmates. And then enforce UK law as it stands, hate speach, illegal, so any imam calling jews anc christians kaffur, locked up. Any book that does the same. Illegal. SO the koran and hadith are banned. ANyone holding one is locked up. ANd deported. Lets just make it so uncomfortable that many of them leave of their own accord. The left overs probably arent that islamic and might be allowed to stay.

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                                    Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                    The first thing to do is outlaw halal meat production. It is illegal anyway, under EU and UK law.

                                    Exactly! Well, our current Indian government tried to do something for "other" intention however there was immense backlash from media and political parties who are in support for so called beef-eaters (read it as vote bank politics). But the point is, since its illegal and if there is a law for it then those black money flow will be stopped and there won't be funding to one particular portion of people who used to sponsor terrorism. All of your point reminds me of what Australia did to protect their land from the "Islamist Terrorism". Its enough that world has denied the term Islamic Terrorism in the name of "Terrorists do not have religion" whereas someone posted this list in Lounge which clearly states the current terrorism problem is specifically caused by one particular. List of Islamic Terror Attacks[^]

                                    You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.

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                                      Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                      The first thing to do is outlaw halal meat production. It is illegal anyway, under EU and UK law.

                                      Exactly! Well, our current Indian government tried to do something for "other" intention however there was immense backlash from media and political parties who are in support for so called beef-eaters (read it as vote bank politics). But the point is, since its illegal and if there is a law for it then those black money flow will be stopped and there won't be funding to one particular portion of people who used to sponsor terrorism. All of your point reminds me of what Australia did to protect their land from the "Islamist Terrorism". Its enough that world has denied the term Islamic Terrorism in the name of "Terrorists do not have religion" whereas someone posted this list in Lounge which clearly states the current terrorism problem is specifically caused by one particular. List of Islamic Terror Attacks[^]

                                      You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.

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                                      _Gandalf - The White_ wrote:

                                      But the point is, since its illegal and if there is a law for it then those black money flow will be stopped and there won't be funding to one particular portion of people who used to sponsor terrorism

                                      Have drugs flow been stopped? Have prostitution been stopped? Have illegal XXXX been stopped? I do see the point you are defending, but this is not being the solution. Black market have ever existed and will ever exist.

                                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                        Yes, and no one would take them in. DO you remember you history? Hitler wanted the creation of Israel in order to move jews there. We dont need to do that with muslims. You must realise how much stress it causes a muslim to live in the west? Exposure to semi naked women, alcohol, gays all over the place, people lending money for interest, bacon? I really think they would be happier back in their native countries.

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                                        Ah a british Nazi living in France, I guess purely professionally. They should put you in a cage and show you at the farmer's market :)

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                                          You mean Pakistanis often marry Syrians? You would be lucky. They probably only marry people from their own village. Anyway, give them the choice. Perhaps they can have dual naationality, who gives a fuck, provided they arent in the UK. The first thing to do is outlaw halal meat production. It is illegal anyway, under EU and UK law. Then ban the burkah, and all head coverings, as being representetive of women repression. Then lets empty the prisons and repatriate all muslim inmates. And then enforce UK law as it stands, hate speach, illegal, so any imam calling jews anc christians kaffur, locked up. Any book that does the same. Illegal. SO the koran and hadith are banned. ANyone holding one is locked up. ANd deported. Lets just make it so uncomfortable that many of them leave of their own accord. The left overs probably arent that islamic and might be allowed to stay.

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                                          Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                          The first thing to do is outlaw halal meat production. It is illegal anyway,

                                          Can you outlaw something that is already illegal :-D ?

                                          There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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