What the h is going on
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Actually, the British Church split from the Catholic Church some centuries past.
May be they left one church and joined another, but what I meant was that they're mostly Christians. It's amusing how you've conveniently ignored the part about the genocides, but are nitpicking on something relatively insignificant.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
By bringing it into the discussion in the way you did you certainly seemed to.
I'm not sure how it would 'seem' that way, but I see how someone else's interpretation may be different than mine.
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I'm not sure how it would 'seem' that way
Really? So I say "Johnny's always hitting Jane" and you say "Well, so Jack's always hitting Jill" and you don't see how you saying that seems to (falsely) justify the other? Wow.
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NoNotThatBob wrote:
I can only tell you what I experienced, and that was a lack of friction, people got on with one another.
You're either talking about 10-15 years ago or you're full it.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Why single out Muslims
There are indeed enclaves of other cultures (Polish and so on) but they're nowhere near as entrenched, pervasive or widespread. Neither are they multiplying at an increased rate, nor are they causing any real problems. I'd rather there be no enclaves of any culture, but give me a Polish or Jewish enclave over a Muslim one any day.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
Brought about
Irrelevant. People of that religion only bought into, and supported, terrorism in NI if they were also politically minded and criminally minded. Yet again you are ignoring the fact that Muslims are taught to hate by their religious text and their leaders. You can go to any Christian church in the land and you won't hear hate being peddled. If you don't understand this and instead continue to dodge and ignore this issue you are the very reason we are sleepwalking into destruction.
NoNotThatBob wrote:
The hatred arises from the actions taken by the USA
For centuries Muslims have been killing and driving out non-Muslims, even from the very birth of Pakistan. Are you going to blame that on the USA foreign policy too? To ignore centuries of Muslim genocides and atrocities inflicted on our religions and instead blame everything on near-recent events is incredibly ignorant.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You're either talking about 10-15 years ago or you're full it.
Given that you claim Muslims have been murderous for centuries, why would my experiences in the '60s, '70s and mid '90s be irrelevant? A Muslim Lite era?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
give me a Polish or Jewish enclave over a Muslim one any day.
Who'd have guessed!
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
People of that religion only bought into, and supported, terrorism in NI if they were also politically minded and criminally minded
I think you mean THOSE religions. Politics and Religion were inextricably intertwined. Certainly, those who wanted a united Ireland were predominantly Catholic, and the Protestants were afraid that Catholicism would be reflected in Irish law. "Home Rule is Rome Rule". Criminally minded? To the terrorist, it is not a crime. It is only we who see the action as such.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You can go to any Christian church in the land and you won't hear hate being peddled.
Nowadays, true. In the past, when religion was taken seriously, not so. I am neither dodging nor ignoring the fact that some Imams preach hatred. however the Koran is clear as to the treatment of Jews and Christians as fellow worshippers of the one God.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
For centuries Muslims have been killing and driving out non-Muslims
For millennia Humans have been killing and driving out Humans and non-Humans from their lands. Innate, innit?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Are you going to blame that on the USA foreign policy too?
Recent USA foreign policy is responsible for the current stoking of hatred. Possibly the British and French colonial actions following WW1 are also raked over. Certainly the exodus of illegal East European immigrants into what is now Israel still smarts.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
centuries of Muslim genocides and atrocities inflicted on our religions
Pot / Kettle.
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Wow, You're purposely ignoring centuries of Islamic violence and trying to suggest it only started when we bombed them. Also ignoring that the ira would mostly ring a warning after the bomb was posted
Pom Pey wrote:
You're purposely ignoring centuries of Islamic violence and trying to suggest it only started when we bombed them.
Not at all. Recent actions by the USA and its Allies triggered the current wave of terrorism. British and French colonialism didn't help much, either.
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I'm not sure how it would 'seem' that way
Really? So I say "Johnny's always hitting Jane" and you say "Well, so Jack's always hitting Jill" and you don't see how you saying that seems to (falsely) justify the other? Wow.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Johnny: Jill keeps hitting Jane, but I'm a good boy. Bonnie: Johnny has been hitting Jane for the past 200 years as well. Also, he is parasitically feeding on Scotland Scott to this date against Scott's will, all the while complaining about Jill. Johnny is also unapologetic about most of the genocides he's committed.
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You're either talking about 10-15 years ago or you're full it.
Given that you claim Muslims have been murderous for centuries, why would my experiences in the '60s, '70s and mid '90s be irrelevant? A Muslim Lite era?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
give me a Polish or Jewish enclave over a Muslim one any day.
Who'd have guessed!
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
People of that religion only bought into, and supported, terrorism in NI if they were also politically minded and criminally minded
I think you mean THOSE religions. Politics and Religion were inextricably intertwined. Certainly, those who wanted a united Ireland were predominantly Catholic, and the Protestants were afraid that Catholicism would be reflected in Irish law. "Home Rule is Rome Rule". Criminally minded? To the terrorist, it is not a crime. It is only we who see the action as such.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
You can go to any Christian church in the land and you won't hear hate being peddled.
Nowadays, true. In the past, when religion was taken seriously, not so. I am neither dodging nor ignoring the fact that some Imams preach hatred. however the Koran is clear as to the treatment of Jews and Christians as fellow worshippers of the one God.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
For centuries Muslims have been killing and driving out non-Muslims
For millennia Humans have been killing and driving out Humans and non-Humans from their lands. Innate, innit?
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
Are you going to blame that on the USA foreign policy too?
Recent USA foreign policy is responsible for the current stoking of hatred. Possibly the British and French colonial actions following WW1 are also raked over. Certainly the exodus of illegal East European immigrants into what is now Israel still smarts.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
centuries of Muslim genocides and atrocities inflicted on our religions
Pot / Kettle.
You're either not very intelligent, or you're just trolling, so I'll try and explain my point in very simple terms Religion A - was violent thousands of years ago, not hundreds of years ago, not today Religion B - was violent thousands of years ago, violent hundreds of years ago, but not today Religion C - was violent thousands of years ago, violent hundreds of years ago, and violent today Religion A & B and "good", religion C is "bad. Religion C is Islam.
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Johnny: Jill keeps hitting Jane, but I'm a good boy. Bonnie: Johnny has been hitting Jane for the past 200 years as well. Also, he is parasitically feeding on Scotland Scott to this date against Scott's will, all the while complaining about Jill. Johnny is also unapologetic about most of the genocides he's committed.
I see you get my point. Thanks for realizing your error.
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I see you get my point. Thanks for realizing your error.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Thank you very much for proving my point by repeatedly failing to acknowledge, or even to comment on the genocides committed by the white people around the world. Why, thanks indeed for proving my point beyond any shadow of doubt, by nonchalantly purporting that I've a loose definition of genocides, like if a few million human lives taken on each country that was violently invaded and overthrown by the British and their slave cobbers shouldn't be much of a concern. That demonstrates either a lack of knowledge of world history if you believed that didn't happen, or a complete disregard for the crimes committed by the shameful, ignominious, erstwhile "empire" against humanity as a whole. My error, indeed, was not knowing better than to expect anything else from such who consider the lowly swine, a pathetic, wretched, spineless wriggling disgrace of an excuse for a human being, Winston Churchill, as their "hero", who, among other things, has publicly averred: "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
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Thank you very much for proving my point by repeatedly failing to acknowledge, or even to comment on the genocides committed by the white people around the world. Why, thanks indeed for proving my point beyond any shadow of doubt, by nonchalantly purporting that I've a loose definition of genocides, like if a few million human lives taken on each country that was violently invaded and overthrown by the British and their slave cobbers shouldn't be much of a concern. That demonstrates either a lack of knowledge of world history if you believed that didn't happen, or a complete disregard for the crimes committed by the shameful, ignominious, erstwhile "empire" against humanity as a whole. My error, indeed, was not knowing better than to expect anything else from such who consider the lowly swine, a pathetic, wretched, spineless wriggling disgrace of an excuse for a human being, Winston Churchill, as their "hero", who, among other things, has publicly averred: "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."
Yes, lets make everyone in the present day guilty for crimes made by humans 100's even 1000's of years ago. Let's carry on our grudge against "white people" for crimes not done to me or you but to those in my country who existed 100's even 1000's of years ago. Yes, let's continue to be racist against people who had nothing to do with those past crimes and who aren't doing anything like that now. Yes, lets continue to kill people who are innocent of those crimes and blame them for crimes of the past that they were not even ever involved in. Yes, let's continue in this stupidly ignorant and illogical scheme. Yes, let's continue to justify the murder and killing of innocent people because of crimes done by past people who are not even connected to those we kill. Yes, let's continue to murder and cause mayhem because that's who we are: murderers.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Yes, lets make everyone in the present day guilty for crimes made by humans 100's even 1000's of years ago. Let's carry on our grudge against "white people" for crimes not done to me or you but to those in my country who existed 100's even 1000's of years ago. Yes, let's continue to be racist against people who had nothing to do with those past crimes and who aren't doing anything like that now. Yes, lets continue to kill people who are innocent of those crimes and blame them for crimes of the past that they were not even ever involved in. Yes, let's continue in this stupidly ignorant and illogical scheme. Yes, let's continue to justify the murder and killing of innocent people because of crimes done by past people who are not even connected to those we kill. Yes, let's continue to murder and cause mayhem because that's who we are: murderers.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
against "white people"
"white people" doesn't seem acceptable when it comes to generalizing, but saying anything bad about "Muslims" seem to be alright. Casually being racist against an an entire group of diverse people, and stating things like "we should get them all out" seem to be perfectly OK.
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
the Muslims (Islamists) have had continuous violent conquests going almost 1500 years
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Yes, lets make everyone in the present day guilty for crimes made by humans 100's even 1000's of years ago.
Achievement unlocked - Super-hypocrisy LEVEL 10. :thumbsup:
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Yes, let's continue to be racist against people who had nothing to do with those past crimes and who aren't doing anything like that now
This is the typical hillbilly response given out by most British people, without realizing how insensitive that seems. I wouldn't blame you, because it wasn't millions of your people that were willfully starved to death so you wouldn't feel the need to even understand what exactly happened. However, what stops you from realizing that the British hasn't apologised for the atrocities to this date? As to the rancid logic of the people of today having nothing to do with what happened, surely, being unapologetic about the crimes is done by the people of today. In fact, the British have issued apologies to some countries and haven't done so to many others. Japan apologized to Korea. Canada apologized to their indigenous people. Australia apologized to the aboriginals. None of this was "necessary", but they actually feel sorry, and they mean it by apologizing. By apologizing and empathizing with those who were taken advantage of in a colossal scale, they have proven that they are better than those criminals of the bygone era. A simple sorry would go a very long way, but I suppose that a "sorry that we looted your nation, raped, tortured, murdered, mutilated, and starved your people to death" is too much to ask for. India asked for 1 pound a year for the next 200 years as a "symbolic reparation", which was denied as well. It's not enough to say that "we're good people, we're innocent". Then again, there were no comments, as expected, on celebrating the human slime, the queasy
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Canada probably has a pretty good screening setup, as well as a giant wall called "The Ocean". Same with the US. Many of the immigrants / refugees got into Europe by walking over land from Muslim countries and many of them were "bad" guys. Hence basically no screening, no wall.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
as well as a giant wall called "The Ocean". Same with the US.
That's great geographic advantage those two countries have and that's the reason they are not affected by destruction waves. Whereas we(Indians) were the first casualties to got hit/ruled by several destruction waves and its reached at its peak today from where terrorism has become a routine part of our life, which wasn't get noticed/ignored till this many years but while the second wave has started hitting Europe, suddenly entire world is realizing how painful it is when some particular community is trying to destroy/invade the culture. While Indians(hindus) being most peaceful community in the world surprisingly to counter the facts of Islamic terrorism in our country, our libtard media has coined the term Hindu Terrorism from nowhere. :wtf: So they liberals/media and supporters Islamic terrorist will do everything to hide & mitigate the Islamic Terrorism, if nothing works they will play victim of being in minority and demands for Human rights.
You can have all the tools in the world but if you don't genuinely believe in yourself, it's useless.