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Taking a leap of faith!

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  • Z ZurdoDev

    Cornelius Henning wrote:

    I disagree

    I do too. I've seen other programs (one or two) that prevented paste into the password. I've even seen websites that do it.

    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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    Lost User
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    You practice security your way and I'll do it my way!

    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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    • Z ZurdoDev

      Cornelius Henning wrote:

      You could not copy and paste passwords into password boxes in Edge, using [CTRL] - V.

      Wasn't that a feature? It's more "secure" having to type in a password vs. just pasting one.

      There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      kmoorevs
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      RyanDev wrote:

      Wasn't that a feature?

      Miss the joke icon? The only insecure thing I can think of with pasting is that the password stays on the clipboard until I replace it. Copy/Pasting from my password app enables the use of complicated and far more secure passwords than if I had to type them in manually.

      "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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        RyanDev wrote:

        Wasn't that a feature?

        Miss the joke icon? The only insecure thing I can think of with pasting is that the password stays on the clipboard until I replace it. Copy/Pasting from my password app enables the use of complicated and far more secure passwords than if I had to type them in manually.

        "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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        ZurdoDev
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        kmoorevs wrote:

        Miss the joke icon?

        Unfortunately no. I've seen applications do it.

        There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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        • L Lost User

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          It's more "secure" having to type in a password vs. just pasting one

          I disagree. If you copy and paste passwords from an encrypted and password protected Excel spreadsheet your passwords can be much longer and complex. Also typing a password exposes you to keyloggers.

          Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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          Sander Rossel
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          Cornelius Henning wrote:

          If you copy and paste passwords from an encrypted and password protected Excel spreadsheet your passwords can be much longer and complex.

          The post-its with all my passwords on my monitor beg to differ :) Anyway, I'm going to do some banking stuff and after that off to bed, goodnight! sanderrossel g5#Hr@!45Td%fS357Po0$#_poS

          Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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            RyanDev wrote:

            Wasn't that a feature?

            Miss the joke icon? The only insecure thing I can think of with pasting is that the password stays on the clipboard until I replace it. Copy/Pasting from my password app enables the use of complicated and far more secure passwords than if I had to type them in manually.

            "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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            Lost User
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            Clipboard hooks. Simple solution, open your app in a separate desktop with limited rights.

            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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              Cornelius Henning wrote:

              If you copy and paste passwords from an encrypted and password protected Excel spreadsheet your passwords can be much longer and complex.

              The post-its with all my passwords on my monitor beg to differ :) Anyway, I'm going to do some banking stuff and after that off to bed, goodnight! sanderrossel g5#Hr@!45Td%fS357Po0$#_poS

              Best, Sander arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript SQL Server for C# Developers Succinctly Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly

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              Lost User
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              I see your: g5#Hr@!45Td%fS357Po0$#_poS and I raise you: sWd45{{lm==946??hy{422}=?}}GindK{}ll7PXRFh655Erw{90##Mki**55{}KlimdWww33nn2K5X6HKE :)

              Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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              • L Lost User

                Clipboard hooks. Simple solution, open your app in a separate desktop with limited rights.

                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                Peter_in_2780
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                .... or use something like KeePass, which only leaves the password on the clipboard for a few seconds.

                Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                  I just installed the very latest version of the Pre-release of the Fall 2017 Windows 10 Creator's Update. This installs as version 170513-2252 17603-1840. As reported earlier, I reported a bug in the previous pre-release to Microsoft: You could not copy and paste passwords into password boxes in Edge, using [CTRL] - V. Well, it seems that Microsoft listened, because that bug has now been squashed. [CTRL] - V is working just fine in the latest release. So, I'm taking a leap of faith and will keep running today's version, kicking its tires to see if anything else needs attention! :)

                  Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                  dandy72
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                  Cornelius Henning wrote:

                  very latest version

                  Not quite.

                  Cornelius Henning wrote:

                  This installs as version 170513-2252.

                  The Insider Update I have in a VM currently reports as 170603-1840.

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                    .... or use something like KeePass, which only leaves the password on the clipboard for a few seconds.

                    Software rusts. Simon Stephenson, ca 1994. So does this signature. me, 2012

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                    ..on a separate desktop as I described; otherwise any clipboard-hook will have the contents as soon as the clipboard changes.

                    Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                    • L Lost User

                      Quote:

                      It's more "secure" having to type in a password vs. just pasting one

                      I disagree. If you copy and paste passwords from an encrypted and password protected Excel spreadsheet your passwords can be much longer and complex. Also typing a password exposes you to keyloggers.

                      Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                      Nicholas Marty
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                      Cornelius Henning wrote:

                      Also typing a password exposes you to keyloggers

                      And using clipboard exposes you to malware that reads the clipboard. Every program can access it at any time. So the advantage of using a password manager is that you can create an unique password for everything and don't have to remember them all. If you have malware running on your machine there is nothing that can truly prevent it from intercepting a password.

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                      • D dandy72

                        Cornelius Henning wrote:

                        very latest version

                        Not quite.

                        Cornelius Henning wrote:

                        This installs as version 170513-2252.

                        The Insider Update I have in a VM currently reports as 170603-1840.

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                        Lost User
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                        Quote:

                        The Insider Update I have in a VM currently reports as 170603-1840.

                        Yes, you're right. I corrected my mistake. :)

                        Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                        • L Lost User

                          ..on a separate desktop as I described; otherwise any clipboard-hook will have the contents as soon as the clipboard changes.

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                          Lost User
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                          Can you elaborate a little, please. What do you mean by "separate desktop"?

                          Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                            Can you elaborate a little, please. What do you mean by "separate desktop"?

                            Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                            A new desktop object in which you can open Windows. See CreateDesktop function (MSDN)[^]. --edit The login-screen is an example of another desktop than the one that you are using normally. Access to that desktop is limited, even if you are running a background application on yours :)

                            Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                              A new desktop object in which you can open Windows. See CreateDesktop function (MSDN)[^]. --edit The login-screen is an example of another desktop than the one that you are using normally. Access to that desktop is limited, even if you are running a background application on yours :)

                              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                              Thanks!:thumbsup:

                              Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                              • L Lost User

                                Thanks!:thumbsup:

                                Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                                Lost User
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                                You're welcome :)

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                • L Lost User

                                  Quote:

                                  The Insider Update I have in a VM currently reports as 170603-1840.

                                  Yes, you're right. I corrected my mistake. :)

                                  Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                                  dandy72
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                                  :-) They're coming out so fast at times it's hard to keep up to date. I've certainly never made any attempting at tracking them all. I just let it install whatever it wants in my VM.

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    You practice security your way and I'll do it my way!

                                    Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                                    Lost User
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                                    Quote:

                                    And now, the hack is done And so I face the HR person My password, I saved it clear I wrote my login, of which I'm certain I've got a disk that is screwed I traveled each and every website And more, much more than this, I did it my way

                                    You've gotta love Sinatra, he knew his IT stuff :laugh:

                                    Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      Clipboard hooks. Simple solution, open your app in a separate desktop with limited rights.

                                      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                      Lost User
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                                      Well [^this](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0c/bb/00/0cbb0008dc9ce282aa20cb604a4460ed.jpg) did come to mind :laugh: A bunch of guys arguing about copy and paste security on an operating system that sends all your stuff up to Microsoft anyway :laugh:

                                      Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.

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                                        Well [^this](https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0c/bb/00/0cbb0008dc9ce282aa20cb604a4460ed.jpg) did come to mind :laugh: A bunch of guys arguing about copy and paste security on an operating system that sends all your stuff up to Microsoft anyway :laugh:

                                        Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.

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                                        Lost User
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                                        Install a proxy and you can see (and modify) what is being sent; also, the keylogger was not included until Win10. One does not argue about something that can be verified, that's a waste of time :)

                                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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