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  • K Kent Sharkey

    AppleInsider[^]:

    At a Monday technology summit with U.S. President Donald Trump, Apple CEO Tim Cook reportedly suggested making programming a mandatory subject in the country's schools.

    Hopefully not in Objective-C

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    What a really dumb idea. I taught Programming at a college for two years, and I can tell you there are some folks that are as dumb as a bag of hammers who couldn't get past the intro course. That's just what we need - more inept 'developers' in the mix.

    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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      What a really dumb idea. I taught Programming at a college for two years, and I can tell you there are some folks that are as dumb as a bag of hammers who couldn't get past the intro course. That's just what we need - more inept 'developers' in the mix.

      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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      Jeremy Falcon
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      I actually agree with it. I mean we teach calculus in high school and while that's not required things like geometry are. Computers are taking over the world like it or not. Schools should prepare kids for that. Does it mean our jobs will have to evolve too? Yes. But that's the way it is with every industry that's maturing. What people don't usually realize is devs got in on this at the bleeding edge of a new industry being created. One that is taking over the world. Things will change. Now if we could only teach kids finances.

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      • J Jeremy Falcon

        I actually agree with it. I mean we teach calculus in high school and while that's not required things like geometry are. Computers are taking over the world like it or not. Schools should prepare kids for that. Does it mean our jobs will have to evolve too? Yes. But that's the way it is with every industry that's maturing. What people don't usually realize is devs got in on this at the bleeding edge of a new industry being created. One that is taking over the world. Things will change. Now if we could only teach kids finances.

        Jeremy Falcon

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        Kevin Marois
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        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

        Now if we could only teach kids finances.

        But I can't be out of money - I still have checks ;P ;P

        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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        • K Kevin Marois

          Jeremy Falcon wrote:

          Now if we could only teach kids finances.

          But I can't be out of money - I still have checks ;P ;P

          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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          Jeremy Falcon
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          E = MC(broke)

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          • K Kevin Marois

            What a really dumb idea. I taught Programming at a college for two years, and I can tell you there are some folks that are as dumb as a bag of hammers who couldn't get past the intro course. That's just what we need - more inept 'developers' in the mix.

            If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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            jeron1
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            On the other hand, you might get some world class developers, who might not have chosen the computer field had it not been for that class that they really didn't want to take.

            "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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              On the other hand, you might get some world class developers, who might not have chosen the computer field had it not been for that class that they really didn't want to take.

              "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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              Kevin Marois
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              True, but that would be a small fraction of students out of 30+ per class. Waste of resources.

              If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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              • J Jeremy Falcon

                But that's like with anything in life. I mean we all have dating horror stories I'm sure. All I know is I took Comp Sci in high school and now look. You're stuck with me. You're welcome.

                Jeremy Falcon

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                Kevin Marois
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                You're among the gifted few

                If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                • K Kevin Marois

                  True, but that would be a small fraction of students out of 30+ per class. Waste of resources.

                  If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                  Jeremy Falcon
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                  But that's like with anything in life. I mean we all have dating horror stories I'm sure. All I know is I took Comp Sci in high school and now look. You're stuck with me. You're welcome.

                  Jeremy Falcon

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                  • K Kevin Marois

                    You're among the gifted few

                    If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                    Jeremy Falcon
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                    Do I get like a cool pen or badge for this honor? I want in on the club.

                    Jeremy Falcon

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                    • K Kevin Marois

                      True, but that would be a small fraction of students out of 30+ per class. Waste of resources.

                      If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                      jeron1
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                      Like math, foreign language, philosophy,... classes, I rather think it's the exposure that counts. We are surrounded by computers, trying to garner more interest in what makes them tick is, at least to me, a good thing.

                      "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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                      • J Jeremy Falcon

                        Do I get like a cool pen or badge for this honor? I want in on the club.

                        Jeremy Falcon

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                        Kevin Marois
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                        Ya get something like [this](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/\_4hy2\_h8gD9Q/TR4ZZPHfCYI/AAAAAAAAAOs/rRfdifQ\_q2c/s1600/nerd-oscars.jpg)

                        If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                        • K Kevin Marois

                          Ya get something like [this](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/\_4hy2\_h8gD9Q/TR4ZZPHfCYI/AAAAAAAAAOs/rRfdifQ\_q2c/s1600/nerd-oscars.jpg)

                          If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.

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                          Jeremy Falcon
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                          Yay!

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                          • K Kent Sharkey

                            AppleInsider[^]:

                            At a Monday technology summit with U.S. President Donald Trump, Apple CEO Tim Cook reportedly suggested making programming a mandatory subject in the country's schools.

                            Hopefully not in Objective-C

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                            Marc Clifton
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                            I think we should first make speaking in complete, intelligible sentences a requirement. Something Trump obviously failed at in elementary school. X| Marc

                            Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                            • J Jeremy Falcon

                              I actually agree with it. I mean we teach calculus in high school and while that's not required things like geometry are. Computers are taking over the world like it or not. Schools should prepare kids for that. Does it mean our jobs will have to evolve too? Yes. But that's the way it is with every industry that's maturing. What people don't usually realize is devs got in on this at the bleeding edge of a new industry being created. One that is taking over the world. Things will change. Now if we could only teach kids finances.

                              Jeremy Falcon

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                              Nelek
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                              Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                              Now if we could only teach kids finances.

                              :doh: I would prefer to teach them ethics, moral and common sense... Kids nowadays... :sigh: :sigh:

                              M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                              • J Jeremy Falcon

                                Do I get like a cool pen or badge for this honor? I want in on the club.

                                Jeremy Falcon

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                                Nelek
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                                Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                Do I get like a cool pen or badge for this honor?

                                What about codeproject-mug[^] or CodeProject T-Shirt[^] :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

                                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                • K Kent Sharkey

                                  AppleInsider[^]:

                                  At a Monday technology summit with U.S. President Donald Trump, Apple CEO Tim Cook reportedly suggested making programming a mandatory subject in the country's schools.

                                  Hopefully not in Objective-C

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                                  cjb110
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                                  Coding shouldn't be mandatory, but computer usage should be. The more global issue is that the number of workers using computers but not understanding the basics of how they work and what they can and cant do. This should include the internet as well.

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                                    I think we should first make speaking in complete, intelligible sentences a requirement. Something Trump obviously failed at in elementary school. X| Marc

                                    Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                                    He was years ahead of his time - he was speaking Twitter-speak well before there was Twitter! :laugh:

                                    If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                    • D Daniel Pfeffer

                                      He was years ahead of his time - he was speaking Twitter-speak well before there was Twitter! :laugh:

                                      If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                      Nelek
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                                      Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                                      he was speaking Twitter-speak well before there was Twitter!

                                      That was the sms-speech, you know? :laugh:

                                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                      • N Nelek

                                        Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                        Now if we could only teach kids finances.

                                        :doh: I would prefer to teach them ethics, moral and common sense... Kids nowadays... :sigh: :sigh:

                                        M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                        Rob Grainger
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                                        Nelek wrote:

                                        I would prefer to teach them ethics, moral and common sense... Kids nowadays...

                                        Said every generation since Adam.

                                        "If you don't fail at least 90 percent of the time, you're not aiming high enough." Alan Kay.

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                                          Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                                          Do I get like a cool pen or badge for this honor?

                                          What about codeproject-mug[^] or CodeProject T-Shirt[^] :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

                                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                          Jeremy Falcon
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                                          I'm still holding out for the CP underwear.

                                          Jeremy Falcon

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