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  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

    Chris Maunder wrote:

    We're trying to find the number of records in TableOne which, when joined with TableTwo, either have no corresponding TableTwo row or the corresponding TableTwo row is not 'value'.

    Either I've misunderstood your requirement, or that query isn't technically correct. The query will find the records in TableOne which don't have any corresponding rows in TableTwo, and the records in TableOne which have at least one corresponding record in TableTwo where StringColumn is Null or not equal to 'value'. If there are multiple matching rows in TableTwo, then the rows from TableOne will be repeated. Based on the description, I'd have thought something like this would be a better fit:

    SELECT Count(1)
    FROM TableOne
    WHERE Not Exists
    (
    SELECT 1
    FROM TableTwo
    WHERE TableTwo.TableTwoID = TableOne.TableTwoID
    And TableTwo.StringColumn = 'value'
    )

    That finds all the rows in TableOne which don't have a corresponding row in TableTwo with StringColumn set to 'value'.


    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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    Jeremy Falcon
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    I think this version reads cleaner (and without the quirks), but I'd be willing to bet the non-sub select version would run quicker.

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      I think this version reads cleaner (and without the quirks), but I'd be willing to bet the non-sub select version would run quicker.

      Jeremy Falcon

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      TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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      Jeremy Falcon wrote:

      would run quicker

      Indeed.

      #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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      • C Chris Maunder

        You'd think so. Except in SQL We had a query:

        Select count(*)
        From TableOne

        which returned, say, 500,000 records. Next we added

        Select count(*)
        From TableOne
        Left Join TableTwo On TableTwo.TableTwoID = TableOne.TableTwoID
        Where TableTwo.TableTwoID is null or TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

        We're trying to find the number of records in TableOne which, when joined with TableTwo, either have no corresponding TableTwo row or the corresponding TableTwo row is not 'value'. TableTwo.StringColumn is nullable. The result? Adding the join resulted in 25K records. It should have been over 490K records. The issue?

        TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

        This comparison returns false if TableTwo.StringColumn is null. So one needs to use

        IsNull(TableTwo.StringColumn, '') <> 'value'

        to get the correct result.

        cheers Chris Maunder

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        TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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        This proves SQL is not a real programming language.

        #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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          This proves SQL is not a real programming language.

          #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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          Chris Maunder
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          Au contraire. It's the perfect language. Job security forever.

          cheers Chris Maunder

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            Au contraire. It's the perfect language. Job security forever.

            cheers Chris Maunder

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            TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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            LOL. Especially when you have your own company! ;P

            #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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            • C Chris Maunder

              Au contraire. It's the perfect language. Job security forever.

              cheers Chris Maunder

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              Erick Mattew
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              Quote:

              Job security forever

              Indeed. Writing script, backup,... It's boring but secure.

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                Quote:

                Job security forever

                Indeed. Writing script, backup,... It's boring but secure.

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                So is prostitution... but ya know... :~

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                • J Jeremy Falcon

                  I think this version reads cleaner (and without the quirks), but I'd be willing to bet the non-sub select version would run quicker.

                  Jeremy Falcon

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                  Jorgen Andersson
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                  Assuming SQL Server, I'll take that bet. NOT IN vs. NOT EXISTS vs. LEFT JOIN / IS NULL: SQL Server at EXPLAIN EXTENDED[^] Left outer join vs NOT EXISTS | SQL in the Wild[^] There are always exceptions, but not exists is generally better optimized.

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    Null most certainly does not equal a valid string value, right? I never realised SQL could be so Javaesque ;)

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                    It gets Dali-esque as well from time to time...

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                    • J Jeremy Falcon

                      So is prostitution... but ya know... :~

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                      Jorgen Andersson
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                      Boring?

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                        Boring?

                        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                        Jeremy Falcon
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                        Some are... so I'm told. :rolleyes:

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                          Boring?

                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                          TheGreatAndPowerfulOz
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                          They don't all "enjoy" it. It's a job. Indeed, prostitutes go same-sex for their personal one-on-ones because opposite-sex has lost all appeal due to the "job".

                          #SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun

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                            So is prostitution... but ya know... :~

                            Jeremy Falcon

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                            Jagger B
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                            Sorry, You failed the interview. He'll call you next time. :|

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                              Sorry, You failed the interview. He'll call you next time. :|

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                              Jeremy Falcon
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                              So wait, you're saying I can't be a prostitute? Why? Because I'm a guy? That's discrimination.

                              Jeremy Falcon

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                                So wait, you're saying I can't be a prostitute? Why? Because I'm a guy? That's discrimination.

                                Jeremy Falcon

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                                Jagger B
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                                Are you saying, Sql Dev's = prostitute?

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                                  Are you saying, Sql Dev's = prostitute?

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                                  Jeremy Falcon
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                                  Yes. Everyone knows you have go through prostitute training to get certified. You just finding this out? You may wanna talk to your MS rep.

                                  Jeremy Falcon

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    It gets Dali-esque as well from time to time...

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                                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                                    Dali-esque

                                    Surrealistic? or womenizer? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                      Yes. Everyone knows you have go through prostitute training to get certified. You just finding this out? You may wanna talk to your MS rep.

                                      Jeremy Falcon

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                                      Guys... this is not the soapbox

                                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                      • C Chris Maunder

                                        You'd think so. Except in SQL We had a query:

                                        Select count(*)
                                        From TableOne

                                        which returned, say, 500,000 records. Next we added

                                        Select count(*)
                                        From TableOne
                                        Left Join TableTwo On TableTwo.TableTwoID = TableOne.TableTwoID
                                        Where TableTwo.TableTwoID is null or TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

                                        We're trying to find the number of records in TableOne which, when joined with TableTwo, either have no corresponding TableTwo row or the corresponding TableTwo row is not 'value'. TableTwo.StringColumn is nullable. The result? Adding the join resulted in 25K records. It should have been over 490K records. The issue?

                                        TableTwo.StringColumn <> 'value'

                                        This comparison returns false if TableTwo.StringColumn is null. So one needs to use

                                        IsNull(TableTwo.StringColumn, '') <> 'value'

                                        to get the correct result.

                                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        txmrm
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                                        Like everything else in programming, it depends. In this case it depends on the SQL ansi_nulls setting. If this is a statement inside a SQL stored procedure, view, etc the ansi_nulls setting is burned into the object when it is created. If this is an ad-hoc statement then the ansi_nulls setting in effect for the SQL connection the statement is executed against is used. If you want null <> 'value' to return true, you could just set ansi_nulls off. Not that I would recommend doing that...

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                                          Like everything else in programming, it depends. In this case it depends on the SQL ansi_nulls setting. If this is a statement inside a SQL stored procedure, view, etc the ansi_nulls setting is burned into the object when it is created. If this is an ad-hoc statement then the ansi_nulls setting in effect for the SQL connection the statement is executed against is used. If you want null <> 'value' to return true, you could just set ansi_nulls off. Not that I would recommend doing that...

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                                          txmrm wrote:

                                          Not that I would recommend doing that...

                                          Especially as it's deprecated, and likely to be removed:

                                          SET ANSI_NULLS (Transact-SQL) | Microsoft Docs[^]:

                                          In a future version of SQL Server, ANSI_NULLS will always be ON and any applications that explicitly set the option to OFF will generate an error. Avoid using this feature in new development work, and plan to modify applications that currently use this feature.


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                                          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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