TFS Book?
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Slacker007 wrote:
TFS is much better now.
The fact that there's no stand-alone tool for checking in/out code, the VS UI's (I'm usually spending minutes fussing with the include/exclude trees) sucks, and, while not TFS's problem per se, our network and the server hosting TFS is so slow that it can literally take a couple minutes to add a file to a solution. And "Get Latest?" That's usually a couple walks around the facility and it might be done when you get back if you're lucky. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
our network and the server hosting TFS is so slow
there you go.
Marc Clifton wrote:
ussing with the include/exclude trees
I agree, but I am used to it now. Bitbucket with Tortoise for Git is still my choice.
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Kevin Marois wrote:
So you DON'T have an answer then?
Correct. We have a wonderful woman at work that took TFS training. Just yesterday, we asked her why one of our devs wasn't seeing my latest code commit. After some fussing, she suggested restarting Visual Studio and doing a "get latest" again. Yup, that solved the problem. She actually is incredibly knowledgeable about TFS, this was one of those "tool flukes." Marc
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Ya, but ALL tools have some issues. I've used TFS before, and aside from it's hideous web UI, the source control portion VS integration seems to work OK. Any concrete reasons to NOT use it?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
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as soon as I read this post I thought, "you aren't using GIT?" I can bet there's pluralsight courses on TFS but even MICROSOFT internally moved all there repositories to GIT! GIT IT! Writing on the wall. Any business leader who doesn't understand that is making a grave BUSINESS mistake.
chrisseanhayes wrote:
Any business leader who doesn't understand that is making a grave BUSINESS mistake.
Since I know absolutly ZERO about GIT, and have used TFS before, this really means nothing to me. I did work for a company not too long ago and they used GIT for source control, and I remember many painful experiences with GIT. My impression as a first time user was that it was horrible and was EXTREMELY difficult to work with. Having said all that, I think my original question was wrong. I don't think I want TFS, I think what I really want is Team Services.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
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chrisseanhayes wrote:
Any business leader who doesn't understand that is making a grave BUSINESS mistake.
Since I know absolutly ZERO about GIT, and have used TFS before, this really means nothing to me. I did work for a company not too long ago and they used GIT for source control, and I remember many painful experiences with GIT. My impression as a first time user was that it was horrible and was EXTREMELY difficult to work with. Having said all that, I think my original question was wrong. I don't think I want TFS, I think what I really want is Team Services.
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
i'm sorry you missed my point MICROSOFT ISN'T USING IT so if Microsoft isn't using it then guess what it's trajectory is? saying "I don't understand it so i'm not using it" is like being a horse cart driver in the 1800's and saying "I don't know how to drive therefore i'm not buying into this automobile market"
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Slacker007 wrote:
TFS is much better now.
The fact that there's no stand-alone tool for checking in/out code, the VS UI's (I'm usually spending minutes fussing with the include/exclude trees) sucks, and, while not TFS's problem per se, our network and the server hosting TFS is so slow that it can literally take a couple minutes to add a file to a solution. And "Get Latest?" That's usually a couple walks around the facility and it might be done when you get back if you're lucky. Marc
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These are all issues with your setup. Where I work, a couple of minutes is how long it takes me to get the entirety of our main project -- a million lines of source code spread across a few hundred files. And there is a standalone tool (Team Explorer Everywhere). I chased it down when I was doing Linux development on some of our C# code. It's not very friendly, but it's there. I ended up not using it.
I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.
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Ya, but ALL tools have some issues. I've used TFS before, and aside from it's hideous web UI, the source control portion VS integration seems to work OK. Any concrete reasons to NOT use it?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
Kevin Marois wrote:
Any concrete reasons to NOT use it?
Compared to tools like SmartGitHg, the UI is incredibly klunky. OK, granted it integrates with the task management / work ID BS that the company uses, which is more incredibly klunky UI implementation, and nobody uses it anyways except to create work ID's and supposedly track amount of work done on a task, which nobody keeps up to date anyways. So, yeah, there again, I'm complaining more about processes than the tool itself. But still, the UI and UX is so much more inferior than what I experience using SmartGitHg. Marc
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These are all issues with your setup. Where I work, a couple of minutes is how long it takes me to get the entirety of our main project -- a million lines of source code spread across a few hundred files. And there is a standalone tool (Team Explorer Everywhere). I chased it down when I was doing Linux development on some of our C# code. It's not very friendly, but it's there. I ended up not using it.
I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.
patbob wrote:
And there is a standalone tool
I remember reading about it and that it possibly was not compatible with whatever setup we're using. And yes, it did not look very friendly. Marc
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Ya, but ALL tools have some issues. I've used TFS before, and aside from it's hideous web UI, the source control portion VS integration seems to work OK. Any concrete reasons to NOT use it?
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
Kevin Marois wrote:
a, but ALL tools have some issues. I've used TFS before, and aside from it's hideous web UI, the source control portion VS integration seems to work OK. Any concrete reasons to NOT use it?
Hi Kevin, No, there are no concrete reasons NOT to use the thing. TFS works fine. Like any complex system it requires some administration. You're going to get the same response from the development community that you'll get any time you ask them what the best text-editor or compiler is. The latest "fad" among developers for this kind of thing is GIT. You're probably in a shop that has TFS and all the cute answers telling you to switch to GIT are as productive as all the "switch to Linux" crap. All you asked for was books on the subject. Go to APress.COM and search the titles there. You'll find several pertaining to TFS so you can learn what you need to know. [http://www.apress.com/us/search?query=tfs\] -CM
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I have been tasked with researching TFS for use at my company. I know little to nothing about it. Can you guys recommend a decent book for setup and administration of TFS? Thanks
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
I'd just recommend the online docs and some up-to-date articles because there aren't any TFS 2017 books published yet to my knowledge and the TFS 2015 ones would be a quite a bit out of date. TFS is an excellent product and its rate of change has been considerable. If you really want a book then I'd suggest you get one of the TFS 2015 ones from one of the leading publishers. Any one will do. Then be sure to read the release notes for the TFS updates that have occurred since then because they are considerable. I was quite appalled by the many terrible responses you received to your inquiry. Good luck.
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I have been tasked with researching TFS for use at my company. I know little to nothing about it. Can you guys recommend a decent book for setup and administration of TFS? Thanks
If it's not broken, fix it until it is. Everything makes sense in someone's mind. Ya can't fix stupid.
May I suggest an alternative for use with private repositories ? We are using the open source Gitea GIT server , it is dead simple to install and uses very little resources. It also runs on multiple platforms. See: GitHub - go-gitea/gitea: Gitea: Git with a cup of tea[^]