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  • F Forogar

    It won't be long until it will be the 50th anniversary of landing on the Moon. The last landing was in 1972 and then we just seemed to give up. Recently everyone seems keen on going to Mars, which is a nice goal... eventually. Where is the my retirement home on the Moon? Low gravity would be great. No bugs, snakes or home-security salesmen. An afternoon's flying with artificial wings in the Big Dome to pass the time and then home to my relaxing chair in front of the holographic TV showing re-runs of cool, old Sci-Fi movies! I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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    I think the technical challenges to putting people onto Mars and getting them home again are so great that we MUST colonize the Moon first to find out how to do it.

    The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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    • F Forogar

      It won't be long until it will be the 50th anniversary of landing on the Moon. The last landing was in 1972 and then we just seemed to give up. Recently everyone seems keen on going to Mars, which is a nice goal... eventually. Where is the my retirement home on the Moon? Low gravity would be great. No bugs, snakes or home-security salesmen. An afternoon's flying with artificial wings in the Big Dome to pass the time and then home to my relaxing chair in front of the holographic TV showing re-runs of cool, old Sci-Fi movies! I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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      theoldfool
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      We have just been invited to a (free) lunch with a presentation about a "Deluxe, luxurious, elegant, inspiring, blah, blah" retirement complex to be constructed on the moon. 25% discount for early adopters. Give my your phone number and I will have them give you a call. You can't miss. ;)

      Arguing with a woman is like reading the Software License Agreement. In the end, you ignore everything and click "I agree". Anonymous

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      • F Forogar

        It won't be long until it will be the 50th anniversary of landing on the Moon. The last landing was in 1972 and then we just seemed to give up. Recently everyone seems keen on going to Mars, which is a nice goal... eventually. Where is the my retirement home on the Moon? Low gravity would be great. No bugs, snakes or home-security salesmen. An afternoon's flying with artificial wings in the Big Dome to pass the time and then home to my relaxing chair in front of the holographic TV showing re-runs of cool, old Sci-Fi movies! I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

        - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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        Don't trust those Martians, see the terrible truth about them here: Mars Attacks: We Come In Peace - YouTube[^]

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        • Richard Andrew x64R Richard Andrew x64

          I think the technical challenges to putting people onto Mars and getting them home again are so great that we MUST colonize the Moon first to find out how to do it.

          The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.

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          BillW33
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          You are assuming that they would bring them home again, it could be a one way trip[^]. :)

          Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.

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          • F Forogar

            It won't be long until it will be the 50th anniversary of landing on the Moon. The last landing was in 1972 and then we just seemed to give up. Recently everyone seems keen on going to Mars, which is a nice goal... eventually. Where is the my retirement home on the Moon? Low gravity would be great. No bugs, snakes or home-security salesmen. An afternoon's flying with artificial wings in the Big Dome to pass the time and then home to my relaxing chair in front of the holographic TV showing re-runs of cool, old Sci-Fi movies! I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

            - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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            Foothill
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            After some recent reading, I am gravitating to Titan being a far better colonization bid. They are about equally as hostile but at least Titan has rivers of hydrocarbons on its surface. That means even if catastrophe strikes, you could still be able to light a fire to keep warm with methane from a nearby stream.

            if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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            • F Foothill

              After some recent reading, I am gravitating to Titan being a far better colonization bid. They are about equally as hostile but at least Titan has rivers of hydrocarbons on its surface. That means even if catastrophe strikes, you could still be able to light a fire to keep warm with methane from a nearby stream.

              if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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              Methane? I'll bring my own anyway. :~

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                You are assuming that they would bring them home again, it could be a one way trip[^]. :)

                Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.

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                Mycroft Holmes
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                That was my first thought.

                Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                  That was my first thought.

                  Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                  Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                  That was my first thought.

                  Can I volunteer a few candidates?

                  Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                  • F Forogar

                    It won't be long until it will be the 50th anniversary of landing on the Moon. The last landing was in 1972 and then we just seemed to give up. Recently everyone seems keen on going to Mars, which is a nice goal... eventually. Where is the my retirement home on the Moon? Low gravity would be great. No bugs, snakes or home-security salesmen. An afternoon's flying with artificial wings in the Big Dome to pass the time and then home to my relaxing chair in front of the holographic TV showing re-runs of cool, old Sci-Fi movies! I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

                    - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                    Let's do both! And get the asteroid mines up and running for the resources we need to build the solar energy transfer stations, orbital biodomes, and space-based manufacturing stations.

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                    • F Forogar

                      It won't be long until it will be the 50th anniversary of landing on the Moon. The last landing was in 1972 and then we just seemed to give up. Recently everyone seems keen on going to Mars, which is a nice goal... eventually. Where is the my retirement home on the Moon? Low gravity would be great. No bugs, snakes or home-security salesmen. An afternoon's flying with artificial wings in the Big Dome to pass the time and then home to my relaxing chair in front of the holographic TV showing re-runs of cool, old Sci-Fi movies! I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                      Lost User
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                      One big problem with a moon base, we are too late. If we were going to do it we should have done it before 1999. :)

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                        Mycroft Holmes wrote:

                        That was my first thought.

                        Can I volunteer a few candidates?

                        Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                        Michael Martin wrote:

                        Can I volunteer a few candidates?

                        You can volunteer :laugh:

                        Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.

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                        • F Forogar

                          It won't be long until it will be the 50th anniversary of landing on the Moon. The last landing was in 1972 and then we just seemed to give up. Recently everyone seems keen on going to Mars, which is a nice goal... eventually. Where is the my retirement home on the Moon? Low gravity would be great. No bugs, snakes or home-security salesmen. An afternoon's flying with artificial wings in the Big Dome to pass the time and then home to my relaxing chair in front of the holographic TV showing re-runs of cool, old Sci-Fi movies! I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                          Forogar wrote:

                          I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

                          I think I have a plot of land on the moon that you may be interested in :) Lunar Embassy[^] Seriously again; Mars sounds nice but is technically not very efficient. We'd also be unprepared for having two different roads for our genes - as one set would evolve on earth and reward things that are beneficial on earth, the other would start to adapt to Mars.

                          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                            Michael Martin wrote:

                            Can I volunteer a few candidates?

                            You can volunteer :laugh:

                            Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.

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                            Brent Jenkins wrote:

                            You can volunteer :laugh:

                            No, I was thinking of all the Poms, that way they can get as far away from the EU as possible.

                            Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                              Brent Jenkins wrote:

                              You can volunteer :laugh:

                              No, I was thinking of all the Poms, that way they can get as far away from the EU as possible.

                              Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                              Why not just send the EU there.. kind of like in Iron Sky :laugh:

                              Now is it bad enough that you let somebody else kick your butts without you trying to do it to each other? Now if we're all talking about the same man, and I think we are... it appears he's got a rather growing collection of our bikes.

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                                Forogar wrote:

                                I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

                                I think I have a plot of land on the moon that you may be interested in :) Lunar Embassy[^] Seriously again; Mars sounds nice but is technically not very efficient. We'd also be unprepared for having two different roads for our genes - as one set would evolve on earth and reward things that are beneficial on earth, the other would start to adapt to Mars.

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                We'd also be unprepared for having two different roads for our genes - as one set would evolve on earth and reward things that are beneficial on earth, the other would start to adapt to Mars.

                                I thought it was already like that... men are from Mars and women from Venus :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                • B BillW33

                                  You are assuming that they would bring them home again, it could be a one way trip[^]. :)

                                  Just because the code works, it doesn't mean that it is good code.

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                                  kalberts
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                                  Like Australia?

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                                    Like Australia?

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                                    Daniel Pfeffer
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                                    Oooh yes, Let's turn it into a penal colony like Australia! (Shipping criminals to the Moon would be even less cost effective than shipping them to Australia. OTOH, given that at the time, the alternative was hanging, I'm not sure the criminals would have agreed with me...)

                                    If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                    • F Forogar

                                      It won't be long until it will be the 50th anniversary of landing on the Moon. The last landing was in 1972 and then we just seemed to give up. Recently everyone seems keen on going to Mars, which is a nice goal... eventually. Where is the my retirement home on the Moon? Low gravity would be great. No bugs, snakes or home-security salesmen. An afternoon's flying with artificial wings in the Big Dome to pass the time and then home to my relaxing chair in front of the holographic TV showing re-runs of cool, old Sci-Fi movies! I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

                                      - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                      Marc Clifton
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                                      Neither. Figure out how to live on this planet first without destroying it. The reason for that is actually a simple one -- any Mars or Moon base would be 100% reliant on shipments from earth -- the ability to have a self-sustaining colony in a hard radiation vacuum or near vacuum environment simply doesn't exist yet -- and the idea of creating such a colony, relying on a planet that is potentially heading towards suicide, well, that's just stupid. Solving those self-sustaining issues here, on this planet, first, seems a lot more logical, especially since we still have a cushy environment that doesn't have the problems that Mars/Moon has. Marc

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                                        Neither. Figure out how to live on this planet first without destroying it. The reason for that is actually a simple one -- any Mars or Moon base would be 100% reliant on shipments from earth -- the ability to have a self-sustaining colony in a hard radiation vacuum or near vacuum environment simply doesn't exist yet -- and the idea of creating such a colony, relying on a planet that is potentially heading towards suicide, well, that's just stupid. Solving those self-sustaining issues here, on this planet, first, seems a lot more logical, especially since we still have a cushy environment that doesn't have the problems that Mars/Moon has. Marc

                                        Latest Article - Create a Dockerized Python Fiddle Web App Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                        Peter Wone
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                                        100% reliant on shipments from Earth? That's not even close to true, for the moon at least. There are billions of tonnes of water ice as asteroids. A drone with some simple dirty reactors could use some of that water as reaction mass simply by heating it to steam in a hole - and the hole could be dug with the reactor on low. Once you have ample water ice orbiting the sun near the Earth the whole game changes. You can use it for reaction mass. You can crack it to oxygen and hydrogen with a platinum catalyst and UV radiation from the sun (pretty strong out there). That gives you ample thrust and reaction mass, plenty of air and water, ablative shielding, ice shielding for larger reactors and surplus hydrogen that's sure to be useful for something. Start mining metals on the moon instead of hauling them up out of the Earth's gravity well and it won't be long before you are in a position to build spaceships like battleships instead of soda cans. Not to mention a stronger military position since any missile would stagger slowly up out of the gravity well on an extremely predictable arc, unable to dodge if you throw rocks at it and with several days notice. By contrast, if you were really annoyed, a 50 tonne rock would be an extinction event for the groundhogs. Who knows, maybe that's what happened 65 million years ago. PeterW -------------------- If you can spell and use correct grammar for your compiler, why should I tolerate less?

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                                        • F Forogar

                                          It won't be long until it will be the 50th anniversary of landing on the Moon. The last landing was in 1972 and then we just seemed to give up. Recently everyone seems keen on going to Mars, which is a nice goal... eventually. Where is the my retirement home on the Moon? Low gravity would be great. No bugs, snakes or home-security salesmen. An afternoon's flying with artificial wings in the Big Dome to pass the time and then home to my relaxing chair in front of the holographic TV showing re-runs of cool, old Sci-Fi movies! I think we should get the moon-base(s) up and running before going to Mars. Buzz Aldrin agrees with me. What do you think?

                                          - I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.

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                                          Paul Kemner
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                                          Mars: A great place to raise your kids! In fact, it's not too warm and there's nobody to meddle with them. A working moonbase would be a more practical place to start though.

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