Google fires employee who wrote memo expressing views on gender and technical proficiency
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private employers are not the government. (yet)
When they are regulated up-the-wazoo, then one could argue they are the gov't.
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This guy was not arrested so his freedom of speech was not compromised or infringed upon in the slightest. He is now suffering from the consequences of his actions but in the USA we do NOT have the right of freedom from consequences. Yet. :rolleyes:
I would argue that the only "consequence" for unwanted, undesirable speech should be more speech directed at the speaker of undesired speech, not loosing one's livelyhood.
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I would argue that the only "consequence" for unwanted, undesirable speech should be more speech directed at the speaker of undesired speech, not loosing one's livelyhood.
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Businesses have the freedom to employ whom they choose to (within the constraints of immigration law) and I do not think that should be reduced in any way.
Rick York wrote:
within the constraints of immigration and employment law
FTFY I agree. Just saying that I don't think the consequence meets the "crime". It's overblown and overdone. I don't think a valid reason to fire someone is because they disagree with the company "culture" or think differently than the "company line". So long as they can do the job, they should be able to express themselves however they see fit.
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When they are regulated up-the-wazoo, then one could argue they are the gov't.
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one would lose that argument
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one would lose that argument
maybe, but it wouldn't be because it wasn't true.
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maybe, but it wouldn't be because it wasn't true.
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no, it would be because you can't just change the meaning of words to suit your political agenda.
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I would argue that the only "consequence" for unwanted, undesirable speech should be more speech directed at the speaker of undesired speech, not loosing one's livelyhood.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
I agree, but we can't start adding more laws to "fix" this. It just ads more problems to the already overreaching government. But we can call Google stupid idiots for it. :-D
Jeremy Falcon
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I agree, but we can't start adding more laws to "fix" this. It just ads more problems to the already overreaching government. But we can call Google stupid idiots for it. :-D
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
we can't start adding more laws to "fix" this. It just ads more problems to the already overreaching government.
I agree with the second part of your statemen... but you will be proven wrong with the first one. Einstein told it, human stupidity and universe... you know what I mean
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
how about honesty and hiring the best people for the job?
While I do agree on that it has been proven that white men are usually considered the best people for the job, whether they are or not. Personally, I know more than one person who wouldn't be comfortable with a black doctor. One person even said "when your doctor is black he probably doesn't even speak proper Dutch." (and he was serious!) I'm assuming black doctors also have to go through six (I believe) years of University. How the hell do you figure he doesn't speak Dutch!? :omg: And this came from a gay person so he should know a thing or two about prejudice and discrimination! :omg: So, we have two doctors, both have had the same education and you have no reason to believe one is better at the job than the other, yet people go for the white (male) doctor :)
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Spot on - the thing is people complaining about "positive discrimination" are failing to address the fact that there is already existing discrimination. Hopefully, over time, both will dwindle to nothing.
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NY Times: [^]
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SAN FRANCISCO — Google on Monday fired a software engineer who wrote an internal memo that questioned the company’s diversity efforts and argued that the low number of women in technical positions was a result of biological differences instead of discrimination.
More coverage on Motherboard including complete memo: [^]
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Pathetic, because reading that memo, he brings up what I think are legitimate points of discussion and consciousness raising. As it stands, all this political correctness we've been seeing over the last 50 years is a double-edged sword -- racism, bias, discrimination: bad. Talking about racism, bias, discrimination has also become "bad" unless you're a graduate of Goddard College (as an example) in which case you're seen as "a radical force for change for a better future" or some such BS when in reality many of the people that pick up these causes are actually suffering from psychological problems. Marc
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I agree, but we can't start adding more laws to "fix" this. It just ads more problems to the already overreaching government. But we can call Google stupid idiots for it. :-D
Jeremy Falcon
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
we can't start adding more laws to "fix" this
Agree. Too much regulation as it is.
Jeremy Falcon wrote:
we can call Google stupid idiots
:cool::thumbsup: :laugh:
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Pathetic, because reading that memo, he brings up what I think are legitimate points of discussion and consciousness raising. As it stands, all this political correctness we've been seeing over the last 50 years is a double-edged sword -- racism, bias, discrimination: bad. Talking about racism, bias, discrimination has also become "bad" unless you're a graduate of Goddard College (as an example) in which case you're seen as "a radical force for change for a better future" or some such BS when in reality many of the people that pick up these causes are actually suffering from psychological problems. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
actually suffering from psychological problems
Here! Here!
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no, it would be because you can't just change the meaning of words to suit your political agenda.
The courts have ruled that if I act on behest of the police (a part of the gov't) then I in fact, even though a private citizen, become a defacto government agent. Taking this to the present case then, if a company is acting a certain way due to requirements of law and regulation and "consent decrees" they in fact become government agents. Just my feeble logic here.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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The courts have ruled that if I act on behest of the police (a part of the gov't) then I in fact, even though a private citizen, become a defacto government agent. Taking this to the present case then, if a company is acting a certain way due to requirements of law and regulation and "consent decrees" they in fact become government agents. Just my feeble logic here.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
a private company is not the government. full stop.
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it is when it is acting at the behest of and as an agent of the gov't.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
no, it isn't.
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a private company is not the government. full stop.
it is when it is acting at the behest of and as an agent of the gov't.
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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no, it isn't.
The PTB beg to differ
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Marc Clifton wrote:
actually suffering from psychological problems
Here! Here!
#SupportHeForShe Government can give you nothing but what it takes from somebody else. A government big enough to give you everything you want is big enough to take everything you've got, including your freedom.-Ezra Taft Benson You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Here! Here!
Marc's view on life -- we all have psychological problems to various degrees. ;) Marc
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Here! Here!
Marc's view on life -- we all have psychological problems to various degrees. ;) Marc
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Forsooth!
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