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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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    Marc Clifton
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    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

    and missing all the basics of how things are moving around.

    Gently suggest that they find a different career. ;) Marc

    Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

      Yeah - that's why I wrote it here. The Lounge is full of crap anyway, I add mine...

      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

        It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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        R Giskard Reventlov
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        Yes. No. Maybe. Depends on the circumstances. It is acceptable to reject question son the basis that it is plainly a homework question and reasonably acceptable to reject on the basis that the questioner is asking you to do their job. Other than that, just ignore it if you're not sure.

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          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

          and missing all the basics of how things are moving around.

          Gently suggest that they find a different career. ;) Marc

          Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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          Lost User
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          Something along the lines of... "Wow! I never would have looked at it that way. Have you ever considered a career as a Sanitation Engineer?"

          Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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            Something along the lines of... "Wow! I never would have looked at it that way. Have you ever considered a career as a Sanitation Engineer?"

            Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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            What exactly 'Sanitation Engineer' does? And do not tell me if it is something I don't want to know...

            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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              Jeremy Falcon
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              :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                What exactly 'Sanitation Engineer' does? And do not tell me if it is something I don't want to know...

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                Lost User
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                Fancy name for the garbage man (AKA refuse collector).

                Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                  It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

                  Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                  Jeremy Falcon
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                  I say just move on and ignore it and let natural selection take care of it.

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                    I say just move on and ignore it and let natural selection take care of it.

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                    Jeremy Falcon wrote:

                    let natural selection take care of it.

                    Tech Darwinism! :thumbsup:

                    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                      PIEBALDconsult
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                      No.

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                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                        It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

                        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                        CPallini
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                        Sorry, this way you don't help the poster. Probably it's true: he/she must go back. Anyway I would recommend another school.

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

                          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                          Mycroft Holmes
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                          I have seen the response for them to get a specific book and work through the examples, this seems to be acceptable.

                          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                            It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

                            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                            RTek23
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                            My son, in a college course on energy systems, asked me why we don't add wind generators on our cars to recover energy and extend our endurance. I suggested he should wait for the next semester to re-ask the question. He didn't, but I did ask him if he understood and asked me to forget the question... In short, I think the teaching method nowadays is to get them moving then get them to understand the background, where a bunch of years ago it was crawl, walk, run. At issue is the sense of success, and attention span. Can we build better engineers using the older crawl, walk, run paradigm or the newer walk, build background, run paradigm. Personally, I am a bit older, and I have always learned on the first, but am experiencing the latter as I see new things evolve (and try to learn Python), and am not sure of how effective it is. I leave it to the younger generation to decide.... Ken

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                            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                              It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

                              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                              Abhinav S
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                              NO. I did something similar once. This was escalated and as a consequence I was told by several people that I was not "mature" enough to handle feedback. %&@!@#&*!!!

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                                Fancy name for the garbage man (AKA refuse collector).

                                Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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                                Nelek
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                                I was thinking on "cleaning toilette's" but your option does the job too ;P :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

                                M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                  Fancy name for the garbage man (AKA refuse collector).

                                  Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect. ~ Mark Twain

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                                  CodeWraith
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                                  A recycling manager? A refuse analyst? A rest material ramp agent?

                                  I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this. Please don't reply explaining what method overloading is

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                                    My son, in a college course on energy systems, asked me why we don't add wind generators on our cars to recover energy and extend our endurance. I suggested he should wait for the next semester to re-ask the question. He didn't, but I did ask him if he understood and asked me to forget the question... In short, I think the teaching method nowadays is to get them moving then get them to understand the background, where a bunch of years ago it was crawl, walk, run. At issue is the sense of success, and attention span. Can we build better engineers using the older crawl, walk, run paradigm or the newer walk, build background, run paradigm. Personally, I am a bit older, and I have always learned on the first, but am experiencing the latter as I see new things evolve (and try to learn Python), and am not sure of how effective it is. I leave it to the younger generation to decide.... Ken

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                                    Nelek
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                                    I am from younger generation and I have seen / attended lectures that were complete BS... Biggest problems I have experienced during college were: 1) Commitment / dedication of the professors Many of them just are damn good at research but have no elephanting clue how to teach. 2) Commitment / dedication of the students Many of them doesn't take it serious enough and just do the elephanting minimum to pass the exam 3) Time vs content The "efficiency" culture of "more content in less time" is spreading and helping to increase #1 and #2. I am 100% for the approach of crawl, walk, run and luckily enough I still had it (more more than less). But it doesn't matter which approach you take. If above points are there, it is going to be bad anyways.

                                    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                      It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

                                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                      Nelek
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                                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                      But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all...

                                      Well... at least he is still trying it himself and asking you why it doesn't work / where is the error, not showing 0% effort and asking you to do it for him.

                                      M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                        It is acceptable to answer one in QA along the line 'go back to the school'? (It is very polite now that I wrote it down, I was thinking more about !%&@!@#&*^) But seriously how you should answer someone, who try to write a peace of software and missing all the basics of how things are moving around. They maybe got a course or book on how to write loops and methods and classes, but that's all... After one and a half of such questions a have a feeling in my fingertips that says to me - be rude and rive them home... Sorry. I had to.

                                        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                        This is a variant of the "giving a man a fish" vs. "teaching him how to fish" debate. As someone else said here, I believe that the correct approach to someone so clueless is to recommend a good book that contains question assignments. Once they try the assignments, they will either improve, or realize that programming isn't for them. (If they don't even try the assignments, we definitely don't want them as programmers!)

                                        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                          This is a variant of the "giving a man a fish" vs. "teaching him how to fish" debate. As someone else said here, I believe that the correct approach to someone so clueless is to recommend a good book that contains question assignments. Once they try the assignments, they will either improve, or realize that programming isn't for them. (If they don't even try the assignments, we definitely don't want them as programmers!)

                                          If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                                          CodeWraith
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                                          Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                                          If they don't even try the assignments, we definitely don't want them as programmers!

                                          The masters of the guild have weighed you. They measured you. And they have found you wanting. Guards, throw him out! First out of our guild hall, then out of the town! The best programmers I know behave like cats. They are extreme individualists who don't care much about some assignments and also don't come when you call their names. Expecting them to demonstrate that they are carved out of the right wood by doing assignments is kindof strange.

                                          I need a perfect, to the point answer as I am not aware of this. Please don't reply explaining what method overloading is

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