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  • J Jorgen Andersson

    No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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    Jörgen, Bring your son to a local music store and sign him up for lessons. There's a huge difference between listening to your favorite music or watching your favorite band and actually seeing your guitar teacher do something that blows your mind. Encourage him to sit and try to figure out how to play songs he likes. I started playing when I was 13 (I'm 47 now). The best I can tell you is let him have his own experience with it, and if he loves it, you'll know. And he will HAVE to love it to become good at it... or even just mediocre. Guitar is an extremely difficult instrument to learn to play. You need to love it, or you give up. - Pete

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    • J Jorgen Andersson

      No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      Hi, It takes a lot of time to actually get any good. I've picked up the guitar for many months over the years... it's a huge time investment and I always tend to reach a peak and don't really have the extra time to invest. I'd recommend avoiding the books that simply teach chords.. as they are extremely boring. There are many complete songs that you can play with just 2-3 chords... that's where I'd recommend starting. If you can afford it... hire a guitar instructor for twice a week lessons. It's always more exciting when you play music with others. Best Wishes, -David Delaune

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      • J Jorgen Andersson

        No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        I recommend you get someone (a friend or family member who plays, or a guitar teacher) to help teach your son to get started - i.e. undertstand what notes are (and their names), how to tune the guitar, how to play a few simple chords, and how to strum (rhythm).  But I strongly suggest not forcing your son to read and write music.  DON'T DO IT. Instead, encourage the instructor to show your son how to play some of his favorite songs or artists.  That will spur him and on and encourage him to keep playing.  I learned on my own (many years ago), and the joy of not having been forced to take lessons and learn to read and write music opened my eyes to improvisation, which came naturally to me, because I wasn't forced to follow a strict musical regimen.  My nieces took piano lessons for years and can sight read (impressive), but can't improvise.  When I once told one of them "play a chord sequence and I'll just follow you", she looked and me blankly and said, "But what do you want me to play?" And tell your son, not to be discouraged when his fingers hurt and the strings buzz instead of ringing clearly.  That means he's on the road to improvement!  Keep playing and you'll find with time your fingers will stop hurting and the notes you're playing will sound pure and clean. Playing guitar is easy and is a great release[^].  When I was young, I also discovered it attracted women.  Which was fine by me.  Very fine. :) /ravi

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          Hi, It takes a lot of time to actually get any good. I've picked up the guitar for many months over the years... it's a huge time investment and I always tend to reach a peak and don't really have the extra time to invest. I'd recommend avoiding the books that simply teach chords.. as they are extremely boring. There are many complete songs that you can play with just 2-3 chords... that's where I'd recommend starting. If you can afford it... hire a guitar instructor for twice a week lessons. It's always more exciting when you play music with others. Best Wishes, -David Delaune

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          Yes, absolutely. It's a huge time investment... again, you have to love it. I was playing for three years before I joined my first band - and I didn't think I was good enough at the time (I wasn't), but allowed myself to be pushed into it by friends. When I was in my late teens I would try to practice for as many hours a day as I could force myself to. I was trying to be Eddie Van Halen, or Yngwie Malmsteen at the time, and being a musician had become my life. Packing in 6 hours of practicing in a day was not uncommon then. I played guitar in bands for around 10 years before switching to bass, and then eventually vocals, and I never got anywhere near Yngwie. It's a tough instrument to master. - Pete

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            I recommend you get someone (a friend or family member who plays, or a guitar teacher) to help teach your son to get started - i.e. undertstand what notes are (and their names), how to tune the guitar, how to play a few simple chords, and how to strum (rhythm).  But I strongly suggest not forcing your son to read and write music.  DON'T DO IT. Instead, encourage the instructor to show your son how to play some of his favorite songs or artists.  That will spur him and on and encourage him to keep playing.  I learned on my own (many years ago), and the joy of not having been forced to take lessons and learn to read and write music opened my eyes to improvisation, which came naturally to me, because I wasn't forced to follow a strict musical regimen.  My nieces took piano lessons for years and can sight read (impressive), but can't improvise.  When I once told one of them "play a chord sequence and I'll just follow you", she looked and me blankly and said, "But what do you want me to play?" And tell your son, not to be discouraged when his fingers hurt and the strings buzz instead of ringing clearly.  That means he's on the road to improvement!  Keep playing and you'll find with time your fingers will stop hurting and the notes you're playing will sound pure and clean. Playing guitar is easy and is a great release[^].  When I was young, I also discovered it attracted women.  Which was fine by me.  Very fine. :) /ravi

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            This is how I did it as a 8 year old. I snuck my brothers vox electric from it's case and a byrds songbook with the chords. My sister had previously showed me how to decipher chord charts so if I didn't know a Dm7, there it was for the fingering. Since everyone and their groupie then knew turn turn turn, I was able in an hour to play it as I sang the words. This set me on my way and I never looked back. Kids today are more difficult as they few buckle down and work though a challenge. Not when there is an iPhone and their friends all right there that take no effort. It will score you a more beautiful woman than you would otherwise. Mine is still here. I met her when I was 11, taught her where to put her fingers to play Stairway on her student nylon string axe. She was a huge zep fan and soon a fan of me. We're 55 now and still a real looker where I just got uglier. :-D

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              This is how I did it as a 8 year old. I snuck my brothers vox electric from it's case and a byrds songbook with the chords. My sister had previously showed me how to decipher chord charts so if I didn't know a Dm7, there it was for the fingering. Since everyone and their groupie then knew turn turn turn, I was able in an hour to play it as I sang the words. This set me on my way and I never looked back. Kids today are more difficult as they few buckle down and work though a challenge. Not when there is an iPhone and their friends all right there that take no effort. It will score you a more beautiful woman than you would otherwise. Mine is still here. I met her when I was 11, taught her where to put her fingers to play Stairway on her student nylon string axe. She was a huge zep fan and soon a fan of me. We're 55 now and still a real looker where I just got uglier. :-D

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              OK, so it turns out we're of the same vintage and have quite a lot in common!

              Ron Anders wrote:

              I snuck my brothers vox electric from it's case

              Clickety[^] :)

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              It will score you a more beautiful woman than you would otherwise. Mine is still here.

              :thumbsup::rose:

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              turn turn turn, Stairway...

              :cool: :thumbsup: Today I get my kicks playing classic rock/folk tunes[^] with a band at open mics in Toronto.  My voice is no longer what it used to be (it wasn't great anyway), but a buddy I play with sings amazing harmony, and we have a lot of fun playing with other hippies.  In 2000 I began to teach myself piano and can play enough to fake it. /ravi

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              • J Jorgen Andersson

                No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                I grew up in country Australia and drove vehicles with these [Google](https://www.google.com.sg/search?newwindow=1&safe=off&rlz=1C1CHBF\_enSG709SG709&biw=1444&bih=940&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=car+roo+bar&oq=car+roo+bar&gs\_l=psy-ab.3..0.38785.39569.0.40083.4.4.0.0.0.0.81.203.4.4.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.4.202...0i13k1j0i13i10k1j0i8i7i30k1.qw\_EptpuYFE). Your car would have survived but not the deer I'm afraid. Designed to keep sheep, kangaroos and the odd cow out of your grill.

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                • J Jorgen Andersson

                  No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

                  Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                  Not sure if it is the same there as it is here, but do not send him to music lessons (yet). The problem with those is that they have to go through a bunch of theory before they learn anything "cool" and often they lose interest. The best way to keep him interested is you can make him play a recognizable song quick (2 weeks to a month). He can learn that by himself or via a tutor (who focuses on playing instead of theory). Start with the open chords (A-G and perhaps the minor versions) and pick a song he likes that contains about 3 or 4 of the open chords. From there, move to songs that have similar chords, but with one or 2 different. (eg my first song was Polly from Nirvana with open chords) For songs you can go here: [ultimate guitar](https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/). (not always 100% correct, but usually not too bad) Don't worry about the up or down strokes, just yet, that mostly comes with time anyway. Some tips: - practice every day, especially the first month or so. Even if it is just for 15 minutes. - Make sure the chords you learn are played clean, don't be to happy with yourself too soon. - make sure the fingers are perpendicular on the fretboard not "parallel" (you press the strings, not sure I explain it right) For beginners this can to hurt after a while, but the pain will disappear. - for changing chords you should aim at lifting all fingers from the old chord and pushing down again on the new chord, however for beginners I would recommend a "spider" approach where you keep one finger down as a "base" only moving that at the end (or as first), usually this "handicap" disappears automatically and it helps in progressing when learning new chords and songs. - When he's still interested after a year you might want to check if he would like to learn the theory. There are some good tutorials on youtube ;-). If you want I can even try to put lessons online for you (though I'm an autodidact) on request. Hope this helps.

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                    I recommend you get someone (a friend or family member who plays, or a guitar teacher) to help teach your son to get started - i.e. undertstand what notes are (and their names), how to tune the guitar, how to play a few simple chords, and how to strum (rhythm).  But I strongly suggest not forcing your son to read and write music.  DON'T DO IT. Instead, encourage the instructor to show your son how to play some of his favorite songs or artists.  That will spur him and on and encourage him to keep playing.  I learned on my own (many years ago), and the joy of not having been forced to take lessons and learn to read and write music opened my eyes to improvisation, which came naturally to me, because I wasn't forced to follow a strict musical regimen.  My nieces took piano lessons for years and can sight read (impressive), but can't improvise.  When I once told one of them "play a chord sequence and I'll just follow you", she looked and me blankly and said, "But what do you want me to play?" And tell your son, not to be discouraged when his fingers hurt and the strings buzz instead of ringing clearly.  That means he's on the road to improvement!  Keep playing and you'll find with time your fingers will stop hurting and the notes you're playing will sound pure and clean. Playing guitar is easy and is a great release[^].  When I was young, I also discovered it attracted women.  Which was fine by me.  Very fine. :) /ravi

                    My new year resolution: 2048 x 1536 Home | Articles | My .NET bits | Freeware ravib(at)ravib(dot)com

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                    Didn't read your post and you basically gave the same message I did :thumbsup: (perhaps better :-D )

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                    • J Jorgen Andersson

                      No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

                      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                      I remember trying to learn guitar once and I used something called tabs I think. Just download them and run in a suitable program and just follow.

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                        I remember trying to learn guitar once and I used something called tabs I think. Just download them and run in a suitable program and just follow.

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                        Just my opinion perhaps, but I'd recommend chords before tabs :-D

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                        • J Jorgen Andersson

                          No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

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                          The normal tuning is what you want, as for songs, what songs does he like? If they arent what he likes to listen to he isnt going to want to play them, so get the chords and lyrics off the net, get the chord shapes off the net, and leave him alone in his bedroom for a few weeks.

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                          • J Jorgen Andersson

                            No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

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                            I'd hire him a guitar tutor if I were you - After all: Why should you be the only one to suffer? :doh:

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                              Jörgen, Bring your son to a local music store and sign him up for lessons. There's a huge difference between listening to your favorite music or watching your favorite band and actually seeing your guitar teacher do something that blows your mind. Encourage him to sit and try to figure out how to play songs he likes. I started playing when I was 13 (I'm 47 now). The best I can tell you is let him have his own experience with it, and if he loves it, you'll know. And he will HAVE to love it to become good at it... or even just mediocre. Guitar is an extremely difficult instrument to learn to play. You need to love it, or you give up. - Pete

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                              pdoxtader wrote:

                              ring your son to a local music store and sign him up for lessons

                              I second that.

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                              • J Jorgen Andersson

                                No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

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                                I'd suggest some lessons, at least to start out, as well. You should both talk to several potential teachers and see which one clicks with him and encourages him to play music he likes. Very few people really want to start out with Red River Valley. ;P While there are quite a few different ways to play a guitar, a few can lead to carpal tunnel and other problems, or limiting habits that are really difficult to un-learn. Having someone around who can head that off can make a world of difference. Most smaller guitars are tuned to the same notes as a full-sized guitar. They won't get the same sound in the bass as a full-sized dreadnought, but for learning they're fine. A more advanced player may keep a small instrument around and tune it to G instead of E, but you don't want to start out that way. Little electronic tuners are inexpensive and do a good job.

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                                  Don't bother about anything, just give your son the Chance to do it, playing guitars...do it do it do it :-O [Edit] I'm something old, and I remember very well that my mother has spared a lot to allow me to take drumming lessons :((

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                                  I bet she invested in cotton balls though.

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                                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                                    No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

                                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                      Didn't read your post and you basically gave the same message I did :thumbsup: (perhaps better :-D )

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                                      :-D /ravi

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                                      • J Jorgen Andersson

                                        No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

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                                        Get a good guitar tuner and use it regularly. There's nothing more disheartening than playing something and it doesn't sound right, just because the tuning is off slightly. And lessons, definitely lessons. You want someone who is looking to see that his technique isn't causing problems. For instance, getting the hand position right for fretting chords takes some practice. The angle you hold your hand has a real effect on how clean your chords are.

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                                        • J Jorgen Andersson

                                          No not me, I'm too old. But my son wished for a guitar for his birthday, and we obliged. It's an el cheapo, in case the interest won't last, but still a real acoustic junior sized guitar. Now I'd like some tips on resources on how to learn playing the guitar, aimed for kids. All other hints are of course welcome as well, especially about tuning. I've tuned it like a full sized guitar, but I don't know if that's correct.

                                          Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                                          My dad plays and uses an app on his smart phone to tune it.

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