It's a bit like a bar fight, but more serious.
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North Korea to Japan and US: "Did you spill my pint?"[^] I think something might have to be done ... but I have no idea what. I suggest that South Korean members might find this a good time to take an extended vacation: somewhere overseas might be a good idea.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
think something might have to be done ... but I have no idea what
Ring NK with patriots, or any other missile defence system. Any missle NK launches that goes outside its territory, bam. End of story.
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North Korea to Japan and US: "Did you spill my pint?"[^] I think something might have to be done ... but I have no idea what. I suggest that South Korean members might find this a good time to take an extended vacation: somewhere overseas might be a good idea.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
I think something might have to be done ... but I have no idea what.
China and Russia should go visit NK together. Xi: NK needs to give up it's nukes and stop with the missile development. In exchange, we'll make sure the sanctions end and you can re-join the world. Kim: But it's not fair. My daddy told me I'm a god... Putin: Shut the :elephant: up, fat boy! Xi: Kim, we've all had our fill of your silly behavior. Be a good lad, do what we say. Kim: But... Putin: <Stern look> Kim: OK... stupid world!
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OriginalGriff wrote:
I think something might have to be done ... but I have no idea what.
China and Russia should go visit NK together. Xi: NK needs to give up it's nukes and stop with the missile development. In exchange, we'll make sure the sanctions end and you can re-join the world. Kim: But it's not fair. My daddy told me I'm a god... Putin: Shut the :elephant: up, fat boy! Xi: Kim, we've all had our fill of your silly behavior. Be a good lad, do what we say. Kim: But... Putin: <Stern look> Kim: OK... stupid world!
So you're grounding Kim for a month because he started painting his country black? :laugh:
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So you're grounding Kim for a month because he started painting his country black? :laugh:
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North Korea to Japan and US: "Did you spill my pint?"[^] I think something might have to be done ... but I have no idea what. I suggest that South Korean members might find this a good time to take an extended vacation: somewhere overseas might be a good idea.
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It's about as serious as a handbag brawl. Not a lot of people know this, but DT and KJU were actually born at the same time in the same hospital - and a mix-up led to each of their parents taking the wrong baby home. By the time the mistake was realised it was too late, and they've tried to keep it secret, but the sibling rivalry is quite something...
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OriginalGriff wrote:
think something might have to be done ... but I have no idea what
Ring NK with patriots, or any other missile defence system. Any missle NK launches that goes outside its territory, bam. End of story.
Yes, it's that easy. How many Patriots have you fired that you know so perfectly well that this will work?
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Yes, it's that easy. How many Patriots have you fired that you know so perfectly well that this will work?
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They were quite effective in the gulf war, but putting in say three stages of patriot defences should be almost 100%. However, lets say some get through and people die. How many will die if the US declares war? And how good are the guidance systems of NK's missiles? Many will probably fall harmlessly if they do get through. The disadvantage of declaring war on NK is that it will harden support for Um. There is a possibility the NK system will collapse, the country is in a mess internally.
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They were quite effective in the gulf war, but putting in say three stages of patriot defences should be almost 100%. However, lets say some get through and people die. How many will die if the US declares war? And how good are the guidance systems of NK's missiles? Many will probably fall harmlessly if they do get through. The disadvantage of declaring war on NK is that it will harden support for Um. There is a possibility the NK system will collapse, the country is in a mess internally.
There is another problem. You could just as well post Coyotes on ACME rockets along the border and let them light the fuses when they see a roadrunner coming. It simply will not work. Air defense missiles don't have the fuel to chase anything. They do that only in bad mnovies. Lining them up at the border when the missile they are to intercept is at maximum speed and altitude will simply not work. Instead, you would have to deploy your ABMs around every potential target and intercept incoming enemy missiles.
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There is another problem. You could just as well post Coyotes on ACME rockets along the border and let them light the fuses when they see a roadrunner coming. It simply will not work. Air defense missiles don't have the fuel to chase anything. They do that only in bad mnovies. Lining them up at the border when the missile they are to intercept is at maximum speed and altitude will simply not work. Instead, you would have to deploy your ABMs around every potential target and intercept incoming enemy missiles.
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They worked against scuds in the gulf war. It is what they are designed to do after all. Heck, even in WWII the British had a system to combat V2s and they travelled very fast.
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North Korea to Japan and US: "Did you spill my pint?"[^] I think something might have to be done ... but I have no idea what. I suggest that South Korean members might find this a good time to take an extended vacation: somewhere overseas might be a good idea.
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They worked against scuds in the gulf war. It is what they are designed to do after all. Heck, even in WWII the British had a system to combat V2s and they travelled very fast.
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the British had a system to combat V2s
Yes, but they were fighter planes flown by very brave pilots, not missiles.
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No, you are thinking of V1s, V2s were much quicker. They sent up a barrage of shells that would explode in front of the missile as it came in. I am not saying it was effective, but things have come a long way since then. :) United States national missile defense - Wikipedia[^]
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No, you are thinking of V1s, V2s were much quicker. They sent up a barrage of shells that would explode in front of the missile as it came in. I am not saying it was effective, but things have come a long way since then. :) United States national missile defense - Wikipedia[^]
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My mistake! I obviously haven't had enough coffee yet - I'm off to rectify that right now! :java::java::java::cool:
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The V weapons are fantastic, from an engineering point of view. I recently stopped at La Couple in France on the way back once. LA COUPOLE : World War II bunker Museum, North of France tourism[^] A V2 launch site with many bits of V2 and V1 on display, it has a section on the Saturn rockets too, because of course they all had the same designer, Von Braun. Of course they were a total waste of money. Each V2 cost god knows how much, and resulted in the deaths of about 1.5 non combatants in London. An utter waste of money.
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They worked against scuds in the gulf war. It is what they are designed to do after all. Heck, even in WWII the British had a system to combat V2s and they travelled very fast.
*Sigh* You can intercept incoming missiles. It's your only chance to sit right at the target and send your missile straight towards the incoming missile. The Patriots in the gulf war did not exactly have a stellar success ratio. I received my training on Patriot at that time and we followed their success or failure with some interest. And no, the British had no such thing in WW2. They sucessfully intercepted the slow V1 with fighters, but they had nothing against an A4 balistically returning to the ground. Even in the 1960s they had no better idea than to try to blow ICBMs out of the sky with nuklear warheads on MIM-14 Nike Hercules. That changed in the late 60s and early 70s with the first ABMs, like Nike Zeus or Spartan.
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*Sigh* You can intercept incoming missiles. It's your only chance to sit right at the target and send your missile straight towards the incoming missile. The Patriots in the gulf war did not exactly have a stellar success ratio. I received my training on Patriot at that time and we followed their success or failure with some interest. And no, the British had no such thing in WW2. They sucessfully intercepted the slow V1 with fighters, but they had nothing against an A4 balistically returning to the ground. Even in the 1960s they had no better idea than to try to blow ICBMs out of the sky with nuklear warheads on MIM-14 Nike Hercules. That changed in the late 60s and early 70s with the first ABMs, like Nike Zeus or Spartan.
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CodeWraith wrote:
ABMs, like Nike Zeus or Spartan
Which I linked to.
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North Korea to Japan and US: "Did you spill my pint?"[^] I think something might have to be done ... but I have no idea what. I suggest that South Korean members might find this a good time to take an extended vacation: somewhere overseas might be a good idea.
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*Sigh* You can intercept incoming missiles. It's your only chance to sit right at the target and send your missile straight towards the incoming missile. The Patriots in the gulf war did not exactly have a stellar success ratio. I received my training on Patriot at that time and we followed their success or failure with some interest. And no, the British had no such thing in WW2. They sucessfully intercepted the slow V1 with fighters, but they had nothing against an A4 balistically returning to the ground. Even in the 1960s they had no better idea than to try to blow ICBMs out of the sky with nuklear warheads on MIM-14 Nike Hercules. That changed in the late 60s and early 70s with the first ABMs, like Nike Zeus or Spartan.
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It took me a little while to dig it up, I saw a program about it on TV, but here you go: V-2 rocket - Wikipedia[^] Radar guided flak guns. So yes, as stated, the British had missile countermeasures. Not saying they were effective, but they had them. And that was my point. That from the very first ballistic missile, countermeasures had been developed. And here we are decades later, decades of severe missile threat, so today we have much more effective countermeasures.
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It's probably cheaper than nuking them as well - if you get them from the Chinese manufacturer direct instead of from iProfitMachine. Mind you ... wouldn't that count as a Weapon of Mass Destruction, given the zombiefication they induce in most people?
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It took me a little while to dig it up, I saw a program about it on TV, but here you go: V-2 rocket - Wikipedia[^] Radar guided flak guns. So yes, as stated, the British had missile countermeasures. Not saying they were effective, but they had them. And that was my point. That from the very first ballistic missile, countermeasures had been developed. And here we are decades later, decades of severe missile threat, so today we have much more effective countermeasures.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And that was my point. That from the very first ballistic missile, countermeasures had been developed. And here we are decades later, decades of severe missile threat, so today we have much more effective countermeasures.
And that's exactly my point as well. As I said, to this day there are only systems that can be deployed at potential target sites and get a shot at incoming missiles. Projectiles are not very practical because of their limited range. Missiles do better because they have their own propulsion, a longer range and guidance systems. The guidance systems are the only things that have significantly improved. What's unchanged are the laws of physics. The intercepting missile still is at the disadvantage. It has to rise up against gravity while the incoming missile is in free fall. Therefore the firing window for interception is extremely small, physically and in time. So small that you have to sit near the target and are ready to fire when the incoming missile enters into that narrow cone. Outside this cone the targeting computer will not be able to calculate a solution for interception. Math and physics. And I don't need Wikipedia to know how this works. After school I spent a few years in missile sites in the fire control team.
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