Whats the biggest change between your childhood versus your own children
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Interesting question, especially omitting the tech changes, which affect just about every aspect of life. 1 - Education. I went to public schools for the most part, hated it, learned crap that was useless, unlearned it as fast as possible, and in high school I realized I didn't even have to bother learning it. Yeah, I barely graduated. :laugh: Conversely, my son went to Waldorf school K-12, learned amazing artistic skills, learned how to be a critical thinker, and had (for the most part) a much more rounded social experience. 2 - D&D. I know you said "ignoring the obvious technology changes" but I played pen & paper D&D, and it was quite fun playing online D&D with my son. Though he also glommed onto the books and did the pen & paper version too. 3 - The Cold War. I grew up thinking about (and having nightmare dreams of) nuclear war. It was different for my son. Let's hope it stays that way. 4 - Climate change / global warming. It doesn't matter what our views are on the subject, the difference is that cc/gw was not in my consciousness (or my parents) as a kid. They were and are as part of my son's. 5 - Recycling. As a kid, say what? As my son growing up, he was very aware of recycling. 6 - Health care. As a kid, you just trusted the doctor knew what he was doing. When I was a parent, the whole world of health changed, from alternative medicines (some legitimate, some obvious quackery), questioning vaccinations, etc. 7 - Food. As a kid, "organic" -- what??? My son grew up eating organic food, grass fed beef, free range chicken (really free range, not the FDA concept of prisoners with one hour a day of outside time.) That's a few.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
4 - Climate change / global warming.
Growing up in the 70s, I was told I had to worry about global cooling. Then in the 80s it was acid rain. Then in the 90s it was the ozone layer. Then in the 2000s it was global warming. Then in the 2010s that was renamed to climate change, because ultimately it wouldn't get warmer *everywhere*. It also nicely encapsulates the cooling we were talking about in the 70s, thus ensuring that Al Gore can claim he was correct no matter what happens.
Marc Clifton wrote:
It doesn't matter what our views are on the subject,
Based on what I've seen, I'd say this much is correct.
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Interesting question, especially omitting the tech changes, which affect just about every aspect of life. 1 - Education. I went to public schools for the most part, hated it, learned crap that was useless, unlearned it as fast as possible, and in high school I realized I didn't even have to bother learning it. Yeah, I barely graduated. :laugh: Conversely, my son went to Waldorf school K-12, learned amazing artistic skills, learned how to be a critical thinker, and had (for the most part) a much more rounded social experience. 2 - D&D. I know you said "ignoring the obvious technology changes" but I played pen & paper D&D, and it was quite fun playing online D&D with my son. Though he also glommed onto the books and did the pen & paper version too. 3 - The Cold War. I grew up thinking about (and having nightmare dreams of) nuclear war. It was different for my son. Let's hope it stays that way. 4 - Climate change / global warming. It doesn't matter what our views are on the subject, the difference is that cc/gw was not in my consciousness (or my parents) as a kid. They were and are as part of my son's. 5 - Recycling. As a kid, say what? As my son growing up, he was very aware of recycling. 6 - Health care. As a kid, you just trusted the doctor knew what he was doing. When I was a parent, the whole world of health changed, from alternative medicines (some legitimate, some obvious quackery), questioning vaccinations, etc. 7 - Food. As a kid, "organic" -- what??? My son grew up eating organic food, grass fed beef, free range chicken (really free range, not the FDA concept of prisoners with one hour a day of outside time.) That's a few.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Recycling. As a kid, say what?
I'd have to disagree there: we recycled bottles (1d deposit on each one!), cardboard boxes (no bags from the supermarket in those days - you packed your goods into boxes that the product arrived at the shop in).
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Everything! I could play outside for hours with friends or on my own. I put thousands of miles on my bicycle, sometimes going 50 miles away from home just to see the countryside and get fresh air - often with my elder brother but later entirely by myself or with a couple of friends. My mother didn't seem to worry as long as I made it home for meals. We had no TV until I was 10 and that was rented especially to watch the moon landing. A stick made a great toy. Now it has to be something named and marketed as something "cool". D&D came along when I was in college (pen and paper only; there were only two rule books). AD&D came later. I wasn't restricted in my internet use because home computers didn't exist and neither did the internet! Computers were large things with spinning tapes and banks of flashing lights (in the movies only). Men had not yet walked on the moon but I looked forward to my chance to work on one of the many future moon-bases! I *knew* that when I grew up I would have my own flying car and/or possibly a personal jet-pack to get around in. I could go on for hundreds of pages about the differences... Was it better back then? Hmmm.... Not sure, really.
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AD&D? We always translated that as Absolut Dumm & Dämlich. I will not translate that here, but we used to play it anyway. :-)
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oh shit I feel like Im not doing it right now. Have you got a recipie please.
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Pom Pey wrote:
but couldn't be arsed with the constant I'm hungry whining
"D-a-a-a-a-a-d, I'm Hungry" "Hi hungry, I'm dad". Problem solved at the _n_th iteration.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Recycling. As a kid, say what?
I'd have to disagree there: we recycled bottles (1d deposit on each one!), cardboard boxes (no bags from the supermarket in those days - you packed your goods into boxes that the product arrived at the shop in).
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My mother had a wheeled box-like bag a bit like modern travelling luggage that we towed behind us to the supermarket (empty) and back home (full and wobbly). If you said "shopping bag", that's what came to mind.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
4 - Climate change / global warming.
Growing up in the 70s, I was told I had to worry about global cooling. Then in the 80s it was acid rain. Then in the 90s it was the ozone layer. Then in the 2000s it was global warming. Then in the 2010s that was renamed to climate change, because ultimately it wouldn't get warmer *everywhere*. It also nicely encapsulates the cooling we were talking about in the 70s, thus ensuring that Al Gore can claim he was correct no matter what happens.
Marc Clifton wrote:
It doesn't matter what our views are on the subject,
Based on what I've seen, I'd say this much is correct.
dandy72 wrote:
Then in the 80s it was acid rain.
And they did something about it and the damn forests stopped dying and the crystal clear dead lakes started to have live fish, again. And the buildings and such stopped corroding quite so fast. And the paint on your pickup stopped fading and buckling.
dandy72 wrote:
Then in the 2010s that was renamed to climate change, because ultimately it wouldn't get warmer everywhere
Global warming is only the view from space - locally we get climate changes - like we've been seeing. Bigger storms: the warmth warms the seas . . . more rain, bigger hurricanes, more snow. Worse every year - Our planet is a test tube. Energy comes in on the sunny side, dissipates on the dark side. It reaches a (dynamic) steady state. We've been changing the contents of the reactants for years now, putting much ancient carbon back into the atmosphere. The contents of the test tube are going to react differently. THAT is for sure. Making fun of Al Gore won't change an :elephant: about it. So - go to your sources; ask them, or figure out for yourself, how the new reactant will adjust to the new composition, and report back to us. For, you see, science itself follows natural laws - and all the political arguments in the world have no effect since, well , the universe just isn't listening.
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My mother had a wheeled box-like bag a bit like modern travelling luggage that we towed behind us to the supermarket (empty) and back home (full and wobbly). If you said "shopping bag", that's what came to mind.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
I remember those! Weren't they always Tartan for no obvious reason?
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Ignoring the obvious technology changes. Mine is cooking different meals; when I was young I got what I was given. My dad often told me ifyou dont eat it now you'rehaving it for breakfast. I remember the same plate of liver and onions being put in front of me everyday for a week. For my kids I did Carbonara at the weekend, except the boy doesn't like sauce so I had to give him plain pasta, bacon, and cheese all seperate on the plate (not touching). I'm too soft on them but couldn't be arsed with the constant I'm hungry whining if I hadn't have done it.
Kind of a rehash of others: Playing outside all day, with friends, and no "play dates". Parent's not worrying where we were. Neighbors sitting in front of their houses (or in apartments, downstairs) - and you can just visit someone without an appointment. Playing baseball using sewers and manholes as bases, taping up a worn ball with electricians tape because we didn't have money to buy a new one. But, then, those good times were "for us" - lots of people in those time were treated really badly for no fault of their own - just being born the wrong type.
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raddevus wrote:
Why imagine when you can watch a show, pull up youtube, download another app?
I solved that problem - and it is very common around here... We have no TV (can watch online if approved, two hours a week), the kids have limited access to internet (only one hour a week for free (form age 8), all the other have to be justified with work from school), no smart phones or tablets (there is a laptop they share)...
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oh shit I feel like Im not doing it right now. Have you got a recipie please.
You definitely need egg(s). I use one egg for two persons. Mix in a bowl the egg(s) with cheese (parmigiano would be ideal), a lot of pepper and a bit of salt. Put the bacon (we use pancetta though) in a cooking pan with a bit of olive oil and cook for a while. Boil, in salted water, the pasta 'al dente' (slightly undercoooked) then complete its cooking in the pan, together with the bacon. Eventually:
- Plan A (more cooked egg): Pour the bowl content into the coooking pan still on the flame, mixing, for the time required to cook the egg.
- Plan B (less cooked egg, traditional recipe): Pour the cooking pan content (pasta & bacon) into the bowl and mix
Put, if you like, more cheese on it. P.S. 'Carbonara' comes from the large amount of pepper required. Bon Appetit!
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Ignoring the obvious technology changes. Mine is cooking different meals; when I was young I got what I was given. My dad often told me ifyou dont eat it now you'rehaving it for breakfast. I remember the same plate of liver and onions being put in front of me everyday for a week. For my kids I did Carbonara at the weekend, except the boy doesn't like sauce so I had to give him plain pasta, bacon, and cheese all seperate on the plate (not touching). I'm too soft on them but couldn't be arsed with the constant I'm hungry whining if I hadn't have done it.
They've traveled far more than I did at the same age.
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The biggest change, and I would suspect it be the same for you as well, is that we make way more money than our parents did back then, thus our kids live better financially, overall. I had to eat everything on my plate, because I grew up poor. My kids are not growing up poor, so they don't have to eat everything on their plate. Although I do my best to make this happen, I don't always win. :)
That is a brilliant point about being materially better off, I find it very hard to be a Dad and our kids turn there nose up at food and rigorously complaining about thing after thing. We were content with a football, bike and some woods to play in!!!
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Ignoring the obvious technology changes. Mine is cooking different meals; when I was young I got what I was given. My dad often told me ifyou dont eat it now you'rehaving it for breakfast. I remember the same plate of liver and onions being put in front of me everyday for a week. For my kids I did Carbonara at the weekend, except the boy doesn't like sauce so I had to give him plain pasta, bacon, and cheese all seperate on the plate (not touching). I'm too soft on them but couldn't be arsed with the constant I'm hungry whining if I hadn't have done it.
About 43 years.
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Ignoring the obvious technology changes. Mine is cooking different meals; when I was young I got what I was given. My dad often told me ifyou dont eat it now you'rehaving it for breakfast. I remember the same plate of liver and onions being put in front of me everyday for a week. For my kids I did Carbonara at the weekend, except the boy doesn't like sauce so I had to give him plain pasta, bacon, and cheese all seperate on the plate (not touching). I'm too soft on them but couldn't be arsed with the constant I'm hungry whining if I hadn't have done it.
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Interesting question, especially omitting the tech changes, which affect just about every aspect of life. 1 - Education. I went to public schools for the most part, hated it, learned crap that was useless, unlearned it as fast as possible, and in high school I realized I didn't even have to bother learning it. Yeah, I barely graduated. :laugh: Conversely, my son went to Waldorf school K-12, learned amazing artistic skills, learned how to be a critical thinker, and had (for the most part) a much more rounded social experience. 2 - D&D. I know you said "ignoring the obvious technology changes" but I played pen & paper D&D, and it was quite fun playing online D&D with my son. Though he also glommed onto the books and did the pen & paper version too. 3 - The Cold War. I grew up thinking about (and having nightmare dreams of) nuclear war. It was different for my son. Let's hope it stays that way. 4 - Climate change / global warming. It doesn't matter what our views are on the subject, the difference is that cc/gw was not in my consciousness (or my parents) as a kid. They were and are as part of my son's. 5 - Recycling. As a kid, say what? As my son growing up, he was very aware of recycling. 6 - Health care. As a kid, you just trusted the doctor knew what he was doing. When I was a parent, the whole world of health changed, from alternative medicines (some legitimate, some obvious quackery), questioning vaccinations, etc. 7 - Food. As a kid, "organic" -- what??? My son grew up eating organic food, grass fed beef, free range chicken (really free range, not the FDA concept of prisoners with one hour a day of outside time.) That's a few.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
not the FDA concept of prisoners with one hour a day of outside time.
:laugh:
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Marc Clifton wrote:
4 - Climate change / global warming. It doesn't matter what our views are on the subject, the difference is that cc/gw was not in my consciousness (or my parents) as a kid. They were and are as part of my son's.
Yeah if you ignore the toxic rivers and lakes, acid rain, over fishing and myriad other environmental problems we had (and yes, still have) back then. The reason why business like global warming is (1) it's a lot harder to follow the stench up stream to an singular source, and (2) with carbon credit bullshit not only they can buy their way out but come out looking like good world citizens. The thing is dislike (not disagree) with global climate change is that it's making a lot of other very real (and in some cases worse) invisible, OIOW: let's continue dumping shit in the sea because everybody's looking up at the sky anyway. (And when they do look down at the dying sea what's the first thing they blame? FFFS) It's the biggest ever cover up, and more than half the world has bought it. Stupid FiretrUKS.
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You totally missed his fucking point. He didn't want to harp on it, he just wanted to mention it.
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You definitely need egg(s). I use one egg for two persons. Mix in a bowl the egg(s) with cheese (parmigiano would be ideal), a lot of pepper and a bit of salt. Put the bacon (we use pancetta though) in a cooking pan with a bit of olive oil and cook for a while. Boil, in salted water, the pasta 'al dente' (slightly undercoooked) then complete its cooking in the pan, together with the bacon. Eventually:
- Plan A (more cooked egg): Pour the bowl content into the coooking pan still on the flame, mixing, for the time required to cook the egg.
- Plan B (less cooked egg, traditional recipe): Pour the cooking pan content (pasta & bacon) into the bowl and mix
Put, if you like, more cheese on it. P.S. 'Carbonara' comes from the large amount of pepper required. Bon Appetit!
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SG, South Georgia? Thats a hell of a remote island to bring up a family! :)
lol, Matt, I had to google the others, I got NZ. :) South Georgia indeed.
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dandy72 wrote:
Then in the 80s it was acid rain.
And they did something about it and the damn forests stopped dying and the crystal clear dead lakes started to have live fish, again. And the buildings and such stopped corroding quite so fast. And the paint on your pickup stopped fading and buckling.
dandy72 wrote:
Then in the 2010s that was renamed to climate change, because ultimately it wouldn't get warmer everywhere
Global warming is only the view from space - locally we get climate changes - like we've been seeing. Bigger storms: the warmth warms the seas . . . more rain, bigger hurricanes, more snow. Worse every year - Our planet is a test tube. Energy comes in on the sunny side, dissipates on the dark side. It reaches a (dynamic) steady state. We've been changing the contents of the reactants for years now, putting much ancient carbon back into the atmosphere. The contents of the test tube are going to react differently. THAT is for sure. Making fun of Al Gore won't change an :elephant: about it. So - go to your sources; ask them, or figure out for yourself, how the new reactant will adjust to the new composition, and report back to us. For, you see, science itself follows natural laws - and all the political arguments in the world have no effect since, well , the universe just isn't listening.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
here we go....
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