Why this sudden hype for Python?
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny This is in @Marc-Clifton 's signature. Fits really well. ;)
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Python is great, but then so is C, C++, C#, Java ... The problem with these people is that what they really want is to be rich and famous. Actually doing some work is not in their mindset.
Few years back when I asked them similar questions they used to say "Want to be a cloud expert". When I hear something like this I'd want to follow it up with the next question. "Which means you want to build a fault tolerant, globally distributed/replicated, hardware agnostic, scalable , managed system? OR you want to be one of those people who move their in-premises SQL server to Cloud and call themselves a cloud expert"?
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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Few years back when I asked them similar questions they used to say "Want to be a cloud expert". When I hear something like this I'd want to follow it up with the next question. "Which means you want to build a fault tolerant, globally distributed/replicated, hardware agnostic, scalable , managed system? OR you want to be one of those people who move their in-premises SQL server to Cloud and call themselves a cloud expert"?
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
Anyone whose ambition is to be "an expert in X", is unlikely to make it. In my experience, the experts are the quiet people who get on with their work undisturbed by the surrounding noise. But when asked questions they always come up with excellent answers. I recall one specific individual who really knew the internals of a large OS inside out. When asked how he got to know so much his answer was, "practice, practice, practice".
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
Yes, the candidate's single-language fixation is a bit ridiculous but there's a flip-side to this. Employers frequently insist on commercial experience in specific languages. We've all seen those adverts that demand version X of this and version Y of that when what they actually need is someone who can program a computer. Whilst any good techie would recognise that a good Java programmer is likely to provide a lot more long-term benefit in a .NET shop than a lousy C# programmer ever will - HR types and recruitment pimps don't see the world that way. This means that we tend to get glued to a particular tech-stack whether we like it or not.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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Yes, the candidate's single-language fixation is a bit ridiculous but there's a flip-side to this. Employers frequently insist on commercial experience in specific languages. We've all seen those adverts that demand version X of this and version Y of that when what they actually need is someone who can program a computer. Whilst any good techie would recognise that a good Java programmer is likely to provide a lot more long-term benefit in a .NET shop than a lousy C# programmer ever will - HR types and recruitment pimps don't see the world that way. This means that we tend to get glued to a particular tech-stack whether we like it or not.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
PeejayAdams wrote:
that a good Java programmer is likely to provide a lot more long-term benefit in a .NET shop than a lousy C#
Very true. Our team have done that precisely. There was just close to NIL learning curve, when our team (MS/C#) had to do something in Java, except for Settings up environment & grasping some syntax tweaks.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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PeejayAdams wrote:
that a good Java programmer is likely to provide a lot more long-term benefit in a .NET shop than a lousy C#
Very true. Our team have done that precisely. There was just close to NIL learning curve, when our team (MS/C#) had to do something in Java, except for Settings up environment & grasping some syntax tweaks.
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
Vunic wrote:
syntax tweaks
Exactly, my team handles various projects, some new(angular js and other fancy stuff) ,some old(C# and VB.Net). It surprises me when some people (most of them) are willing to work on a badly implemented C# project instead of a well build VB.Net just because VB.Net sounds like an "older technology". I tried to convince them that both the languages in .Net are more or less the same except for some syntax differences for which, a simple google search is always an option. But somethings you just can't expect people to understand. ;P
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking.
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
It is a language that I am seeing a lot from my kids in high school, one has it for ICT and another has it for a lunchtime computer club
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
A parallel observation/opinion: For Chemistry (or as I refer to it, "real life") I went to a graduate school with some rather prestigious faculty. One noted, on the first day of his Advanced Inorganic Chemistry course that 'any of you that does as a faculty member the same research they did as a graduate student is doomed to oblivion' It jived with my opinion. If your degree's any good, a PhD. really means "will train" - because you should have learned one most important thing in all those years . . . to learn how to learn.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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It is a language that I am seeing a lot from my kids in high school, one has it for ICT and another has it for a lunchtime computer club
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON
Python, Java, iPads; as long as it is non-Microsoft "to prevent a vendor-lock in". ..and that attitude helped to create a lot of new 'institutes' that teach .NET in the past years. Most universities and academics would shudder of .NET / Visual BASIC courses :)
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Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny This is in @Marc-Clifton 's signature. Fits really well. ;)
I am not the one who knocks. I never knock. In fact, I hate knocking.
GKP1992 wrote:
This is in @Marc-Clifton 's signature.
I thought that looked familiar. :-D
Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
because it is the web programming language of choice for the anti-Microsoft crowd. That and Django Unchained
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
The cybersecurity sector leans heavily on Python, so it's seeing a lot of exposure lately. It's also becoming a common learner language.
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
Python can be quite impressive. To name a few things: 1) Huge 3rd party support and many very decent libraries, and some really interesting stuff, including things like AI, deep learning, etc. 2) IDE's - Visual Studio, JetBrains PyCharm, umm, Eclipse, including debugging 3) [Project Jupyter](http://jupyter.org/) is cool 4) It's usually more concise than C#. [Example](https://marcclifton.wordpress.com/2017/04/25/who-was-born-on-your-birthday/). 5) It can be impressive:
>>> 2**160
1461501637330902918203684832716283019655932542976- Cross platform -- I develop UI's and custom SBC hardware controllers in Python, and can write and debug the code (mocking the hardware I/O) in Windows and test it, move it over to the Debian box, and it works. :) 7) Django for web hosting is actually cool and well thought out, more so than Ruby on Rails, IMO, but then I'm biased against anything Ruby. 8) Brain dead simple to interface to C code, and more importantly, to build the library that can be imported into your Python app. 9) Docker / container support is trivial. Interfacing with Docker using Python is trivial. 10) Ruby is dying. Thank God. 11) My experience with Ruby was entangled with experiences of egoistic developers, similar to what I experienced when Java was all the rage. With Python, the egoism seems to be considerably toned down. That's important to me because egoistic developers tend to be dangerous, biased, opinionated, arses to work with. And they're actually really bad coders too. Cons: 1) It's slow, of course, being interpreted 2) If you want speed, code it in C (I personally haven't tried Python with C++) 3) It's scripted. PyLint helps to catch many stupid typos and construct errors that a C# IDE would redline for you before you even hit Build. While I'm forced to deal with Javascript/HTML/CSS (believe it or not, I still have to get my toes wet with TypeScript or similar) and occasionally SQL, C# is my language/bias of choice, Python is my go-to language for SBC and container development. At some point I'll probably poke at Go. For a lot of things, it's quite decent but so is, for example, C#, unless you're doing something specific where the answer is "Python would make this soooo much easier."
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
When ever I see the word 'expert' it always reminds of a quote (can't remember from where): "An 'ex' is a has been, and a 'spurt' is a drip under pressure". I never want to be an expert, but I will settle for competent or knowledgeable.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, navigate a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects! - Lazarus Long
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
Another reason is that a lot of the most popular artificial intelligence frameworks are written in Python being that it is the preferred language of many academic institutions.
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As if they just found the answer for this whole universe' existence. I asked one of the job applicants, a fresher what he wants to be. he says "Python developer". Which felt okay, to start with. Then I asked, after 5 years? Applicant: "Senior Python developer" Then I insisted, if he'd be interested to specialize any of the technology than tools. (We've had enough with people who could never adapt to change) Applicant: No, I want to be expert Python developer. I had to tell him I see no scope for growth or any long term plans for him in our company as we don't have rolls called "python SME, python super Expert, python Engineering manager/director & Python CEO, CTO & Python magician" Some or many of you might still feel specializing on a specific language and building career over it is fine, I might find it okay too if it's useful for the work. Unfortunately, for us, it's not. We have come around different tools and different needs requesting the devs to learn new tools to get things done. I did enquire with other folks why these kids are so obsessed with Python. Looks like their instructors at college have said "Python" is the future. That's where there money is. :( Im developing a fresh dislike for "Python".
Starting to think people post kid pics in their profiles because that was the last time they were cute - Jeremy Falcon.
Python is the new Pascal. Good for learning, rarely used to run a business.
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Python is the new Pascal. Good for learning, rarely used to run a business.