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Which part of CMOS did they not understand?

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    CodeWraith
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    This is from the article 'Good vibrations for the future of computing' in the news:

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    With each transistor consuming electrical current and generating heat even when not being actively switched, and with transistors approaching their physical limits of miniaturization and efficiency, the search is on for alternative technology that will eventually replace the electrical transistor and take computing into the future.

    This may just be someone's piece of propaganda, but the quoted part has been untrue for more than 40 years now. Modern processors wold melt away if there would be a current even when the transistors don't switch. That technology is called CMOS where the transistors are switched in pairs. One closes while the other opens up. This way there is only a small and brief current during the switching process.

    I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins.

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      This is from the article 'Good vibrations for the future of computing' in the news:

      Quote:

      With each transistor consuming electrical current and generating heat even when not being actively switched, and with transistors approaching their physical limits of miniaturization and efficiency, the search is on for alternative technology that will eventually replace the electrical transistor and take computing into the future.

      This may just be someone's piece of propaganda, but the quoted part has been untrue for more than 40 years now. Modern processors wold melt away if there would be a current even when the transistors don't switch. That technology is called CMOS where the transistors are switched in pairs. One closes while the other opens up. This way there is only a small and brief current during the switching process.

      I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins.

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      PIEBALDconsult
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      I don't understand your use of the word "current".

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        This is from the article 'Good vibrations for the future of computing' in the news:

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        With each transistor consuming electrical current and generating heat even when not being actively switched, and with transistors approaching their physical limits of miniaturization and efficiency, the search is on for alternative technology that will eventually replace the electrical transistor and take computing into the future.

        This may just be someone's piece of propaganda, but the quoted part has been untrue for more than 40 years now. Modern processors wold melt away if there would be a current even when the transistors don't switch. That technology is called CMOS where the transistors are switched in pairs. One closes while the other opens up. This way there is only a small and brief current during the switching process.

        I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins.

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        Ron Anders
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        That's your tech gap manifest right there.

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          This is from the article 'Good vibrations for the future of computing' in the news:

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          With each transistor consuming electrical current and generating heat even when not being actively switched, and with transistors approaching their physical limits of miniaturization and efficiency, the search is on for alternative technology that will eventually replace the electrical transistor and take computing into the future.

          This may just be someone's piece of propaganda, but the quoted part has been untrue for more than 40 years now. Modern processors wold melt away if there would be a current even when the transistors don't switch. That technology is called CMOS where the transistors are switched in pairs. One closes while the other opens up. This way there is only a small and brief current during the switching process.

          I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins.

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          rbuchana
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          That is incorrect. CMOS circuits still consume current, even when they are not switching. It's commonly referred to as leakage, and is well understood. There are many sources of leakage in CMOS circuits, but the most common is subthreshold leakage. Generally speaking, this leakage gets worse as technology gets smaller, but - in recent years - has been mitigated against with fin-FET technologies.

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            That is incorrect. CMOS circuits still consume current, even when they are not switching. It's commonly referred to as leakage, and is well understood. There are many sources of leakage in CMOS circuits, but the most common is subthreshold leakage. Generally speaking, this leakage gets worse as technology gets smaller, but - in recent years - has been mitigated against with fin-FET technologies.

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            Ron Anders
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            I stand corrected. Thank you.

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              I don't understand your use of the word "current".

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              OriginalGriff
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              A current is like a raisin, but the grape they come from (the Zante, or Corinth grape) is smaller - about 1\4 the size. Sultanas on the other hand come from a grape that doesn't darken when it dries.

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                That is incorrect. CMOS circuits still consume current, even when they are not switching. It's commonly referred to as leakage, and is well understood. There are many sources of leakage in CMOS circuits, but the most common is subthreshold leakage. Generally speaking, this leakage gets worse as technology gets smaller, but - in recent years - has been mitigated against with fin-FET technologies.

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                CodeWraith
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                Ok, I swept leakage under the rug, but the lion's share goes to switching and multiplies with the frequency and the number of transistors. And that ends up entirely as heat we must get rid of.

                I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins.

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  A current is like a raisin, but the grape they come from (the Zante, or Corinth grape) is smaller - about 1\4 the size. Sultanas on the other hand come from a grape that doesn't darken when it dries.

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                  Lost User
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                  Where does that leave prunes then?

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                    A current is like a raisin, but the grape they come from (the Zante, or Corinth grape) is smaller - about 1\4 the size. Sultanas on the other hand come from a grape that doesn't darken when it dries.

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                    megaadam
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                    But how much juice is consumed by a current?

                    ... such stuff as dreams are made on

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      I don't understand your use of the word "current".

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                      • C CodeWraith

                        Ok, I swept leakage under the rug, but the lion's share goes to switching and multiplies with the frequency and the number of transistors. And that ends up entirely as heat we must get rid of.

                        I am endeavoring, ma'am, to construct a mnemonic memory circuit using stone knives and bearskins.

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                        And that ends up entirely as heat and cat videos we must get rid of

                        FTFY

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