When you have to brainwash children, you know your argument is corrupt.
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We looked for a kids’ book to help us discuss the issue of climate change and discovered… there wasn’t one. We realized we’d have to make one ourselves. So we - a storyteller and a climate scientist - joined forces to write a book to communicate to kids about climate change. But more importantly, to inspire them to do something about it. With us, working together.[^] Not content with force feeding kids Gore's ludicrous film they now have to brainwash them at bed time. Disgusting. And the man behind it? Yes, old 'hide the decline' himself, mr 'my methods produce hockeysticks when fed red noise' junk scientist, Mann. He who made himself a Nobel Peace Prize award. When the debate leaves the realms of science, and becomes brainwashing the game is up.
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We looked for a kids’ book to help us discuss the issue of climate change and discovered… there wasn’t one. We realized we’d have to make one ourselves. So we - a storyteller and a climate scientist - joined forces to write a book to communicate to kids about climate change. But more importantly, to inspire them to do something about it. With us, working together.[^] Not content with force feeding kids Gore's ludicrous film they now have to brainwash them at bed time. Disgusting. And the man behind it? Yes, old 'hide the decline' himself, mr 'my methods produce hockeysticks when fed red noise' junk scientist, Mann. He who made himself a Nobel Peace Prize award. When the debate leaves the realms of science, and becomes brainwashing the game is up.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
When the debate leaves the realms of science, and becomes brainwashing the game is up.
The debate is over; it is not a "theory". Once something can be proven, it would be considered "education", not brainwashing. Brainwashing is when you include the EU in all those learning-books and having it always come out as the moral winner, being pictured as an unavoidable utopia :)
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
When the debate leaves the realms of science, and becomes brainwashing the game is up.
The debate is over; it is not a "theory". Once something can be proven, it would be considered "education", not brainwashing. Brainwashing is when you include the EU in all those learning-books and having it always come out as the moral winner, being pictured as an unavoidable utopia :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The debate is over;
You have no idea do you? The IPCC itself presents a range of climate sensitivities, and it is here where the debate is. You are just a parrot, repeating spoonfed sound bytes arent you? You have absoloutely no idea of the facts at all, do you?
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We looked for a kids’ book to help us discuss the issue of climate change and discovered… there wasn’t one. We realized we’d have to make one ourselves. So we - a storyteller and a climate scientist - joined forces to write a book to communicate to kids about climate change. But more importantly, to inspire them to do something about it. With us, working together.[^] Not content with force feeding kids Gore's ludicrous film they now have to brainwash them at bed time. Disgusting. And the man behind it? Yes, old 'hide the decline' himself, mr 'my methods produce hockeysticks when fed red noise' junk scientist, Mann. He who made himself a Nobel Peace Prize award. When the debate leaves the realms of science, and becomes brainwashing the game is up.
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I saw the post and thought it was about religion...I see it's the same old GW grind... :zzz:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
Religion has been a 'same old grind' for much longer than CAGW.
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We looked for a kids’ book to help us discuss the issue of climate change and discovered… there wasn’t one. We realized we’d have to make one ourselves. So we - a storyteller and a climate scientist - joined forces to write a book to communicate to kids about climate change. But more importantly, to inspire them to do something about it. With us, working together.[^] Not content with force feeding kids Gore's ludicrous film they now have to brainwash them at bed time. Disgusting. And the man behind it? Yes, old 'hide the decline' himself, mr 'my methods produce hockeysticks when fed red noise' junk scientist, Mann. He who made himself a Nobel Peace Prize award. When the debate leaves the realms of science, and becomes brainwashing the game is up.
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I saw the post and thought it was about religion...I see it's the same old GW grind... :zzz:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
CAGW is a religion. :)
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You’re just a troll, aren’t you? What’s the matter, didn’t your mummy love you enough when you were growing up?
Ha! So, run out of science and logic, the alarmist makes personal attacks! Thank you for conforming to breed. :)
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Ha! So, run out of science and logic, the alarmist makes personal attacks! Thank you for conforming to breed. :)
Just about anything any parent does in terms of parenting can be called “brainwashing” – it’s what parents do: pass on their values and beliefs to their children, sometimes explicitly sometime subliminally. (Of course, many children then grow up to reject them just because of that, but that’s another story…) Are you a parent? Imagine he scene: you have some friends round for dinner, and an argument (OK, discussion) ensues about climate change, and you go on (and on…) spouting your nonsense as you do, shouting down anyone that disagrees…and you children are taking it all in - and next day at school they repeat it all to their friends, not really having a clue what they’re talking about, but because daddy said it and daddy is so clever and knows everything so it must be right. Brainwashing. All parents do it. Of course, the more responsible ones will also try to teach their kids to think critically for themselves, but they’re fooling themselves if they think they haven’t already shaped much of how their children think. Even if the “what” changes, the “how” remains. I haven’t read (and can’t be bothered to) the links you posted in this particular case, but on the face of it all they’ve said is they want something around which they can discuss these issues with their children. Sounds reasonable enough. Whatever the extent of climate change turns out to be over their children’s lifetime, it’s an issue they are going to grow up with, and why wouldn’t a parent want to discuss it? And if they come at it form an angle you disagree with, so what? Don’t tell me you’re completely impartial about every subject you talk to your children about, if you have any, because I won’t believe you.
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Thank you for conforming to breed.
Breed? wtf?
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Just about anything any parent does in terms of parenting can be called “brainwashing” – it’s what parents do: pass on their values and beliefs to their children, sometimes explicitly sometime subliminally. (Of course, many children then grow up to reject them just because of that, but that’s another story…) Are you a parent? Imagine he scene: you have some friends round for dinner, and an argument (OK, discussion) ensues about climate change, and you go on (and on…) spouting your nonsense as you do, shouting down anyone that disagrees…and you children are taking it all in - and next day at school they repeat it all to their friends, not really having a clue what they’re talking about, but because daddy said it and daddy is so clever and knows everything so it must be right. Brainwashing. All parents do it. Of course, the more responsible ones will also try to teach their kids to think critically for themselves, but they’re fooling themselves if they think they haven’t already shaped much of how their children think. Even if the “what” changes, the “how” remains. I haven’t read (and can’t be bothered to) the links you posted in this particular case, but on the face of it all they’ve said is they want something around which they can discuss these issues with their children. Sounds reasonable enough. Whatever the extent of climate change turns out to be over their children’s lifetime, it’s an issue they are going to grow up with, and why wouldn’t a parent want to discuss it? And if they come at it form an angle you disagree with, so what? Don’t tell me you’re completely impartial about every subject you talk to your children about, if you have any, because I won’t believe you.
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Thank you for conforming to breed.
Breed? wtf?
Blah blah blah. These aren't people talking to THEIR children. They are trying top brainwash OUR children. That is sick.
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Blah blah blah. These aren't people talking to THEIR children. They are trying top brainwash OUR children. That is sick.
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No they are not. You can choose whether or not to read their book with your children. No-one is forcing it on you or your kids. And, if you do read it with them, you are free to brainwash them yourselves by saying what a load of crap you think it is.
Well that at least is something, Al Gore's crock of shit film was rammed down kids throats in schools in the UK. And dont you worry, my daughter is fully aware of just how bad the science is behind global warming.
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Well that at least is something, Al Gore's crock of shit film was rammed down kids throats in schools in the UK. And dont you worry, my daughter is fully aware of just how bad the science is behind global warming.
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She is intelligent enough already to recognise that when you have dr whatever, on the roof of a university some where in India, talk about his new weather station to measure temperature, that when I point out the PLETHORA of air con heat exchanges just behind him, that the temperature measurement will be useless. And this was, you got it, the BBC. If you really think the earth is at risk in 50 or 100 years from man made CO2, you are either really very gullible or agreeing with it in order to further your political and social desire for the future. Which is it?
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She is intelligent enough already to recognise that when you have dr whatever, on the roof of a university some where in India, talk about his new weather station to measure temperature, that when I point out the PLETHORA of air con heat exchanges just behind him, that the temperature measurement will be useless. And this was, you got it, the BBC. If you really think the earth is at risk in 50 or 100 years from man made CO2, you are either really very gullible or agreeing with it in order to further your political and social desire for the future. Which is it?
NO one thinks the earth is at risk, and no one can be 100% sure about what contribution man is making (or has made) to the current upward trend in average global temperatures – but that there is such a trend is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. The earth will survive whatever happens. How much human society and civilisation is affected will depend on the degree of change, but one thing is sure: we do not possess the political will or ability to cope with very much change. It won’t take much for global food production to be hit – while it’s all very well to say ”If we can’t grow it in X we can grow it in Y”, in reality it won’t be that simple. X has years of expertise and infrastructure in place; Y doesn’t. It’s not straightforward to relocate entire production lines across the globe. If nothing else, it could have a massive effect on prices, leading to civil unrest. And if some places become uninhabitable, the resulting mass migration will make Europe’s current issues with migrants seem like a picnic in the park. Nothing is certain – but the possibility for massive socio-political upheavals in the coming century is very real and quite significant. This is only denied by people who are either fools or are seeking to further their political and social goals. Or both.
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NO one thinks the earth is at risk, and no one can be 100% sure about what contribution man is making (or has made) to the current upward trend in average global temperatures – but that there is such a trend is accepted by the vast majority of scientists. The earth will survive whatever happens. How much human society and civilisation is affected will depend on the degree of change, but one thing is sure: we do not possess the political will or ability to cope with very much change. It won’t take much for global food production to be hit – while it’s all very well to say ”If we can’t grow it in X we can grow it in Y”, in reality it won’t be that simple. X has years of expertise and infrastructure in place; Y doesn’t. It’s not straightforward to relocate entire production lines across the globe. If nothing else, it could have a massive effect on prices, leading to civil unrest. And if some places become uninhabitable, the resulting mass migration will make Europe’s current issues with migrants seem like a picnic in the park. Nothing is certain – but the possibility for massive socio-political upheavals in the coming century is very real and quite significant. This is only denied by people who are either fools or are seeking to further their political and social goals. Or both.
A_Griffin wrote:
but the possibility for massive socio-political upheavals in the coming century is very real and quite significant.
True. But we do not know what they will be, so we cannot prepare for any and all. If you accept that the climate is controlled by the amount of GHGs in the atmosphere, we are warming the earth, and have to concentrate our resources on reducing GHGs. If you accept that 'astronomical' factors cause climate cycles, we are on the point of a cold spell that will reduce agricultural production, and we have to build non-gaseous greenhouses and more power stations to fuel them. Etc., etc. Your turn with the blindfold and the dart. :-D
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We looked for a kids’ book to help us discuss the issue of climate change and discovered… there wasn’t one. We realized we’d have to make one ourselves. So we - a storyteller and a climate scientist - joined forces to write a book to communicate to kids about climate change. But more importantly, to inspire them to do something about it. With us, working together.[^] Not content with force feeding kids Gore's ludicrous film they now have to brainwash them at bed time. Disgusting. And the man behind it? Yes, old 'hide the decline' himself, mr 'my methods produce hockeysticks when fed red noise' junk scientist, Mann. He who made himself a Nobel Peace Prize award. When the debate leaves the realms of science, and becomes brainwashing the game is up.
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Ha! So, run out of science and logic, the alarmist makes personal attacks! Thank you for conforming to breed. :)
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Ha! So, run out of science and logic, the alarmist makes personal attacks!
Used to watch a street corner fire and brimstone preacher that showed up every spring. He ignored the one young bravado that pointed out that the expensive watch that the preacher wore hardly fit in with the context of christian poverty. There of course was no point in doing so since the preacher was hardly going to change his views. But the commentary was funny.
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Well that at least is something, Al Gore's crock of shit film was rammed down kids throats in schools in the UK. And dont you worry, my daughter is fully aware of just how bad the science is behind global warming.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Well that at least is something, Al Gore's crock of sh*t film was rammed down kids throats in schools in the UK.
First time I heard of that. Searching the first thing I find was some poor citizen challenging it in court. But, looks like it turns out is wasn't in fact a poor citizen but rather an energy company. [^] Information seems to suggest that the film is only shown in secondary schools (UK). That would be 11 to 16 and in some cased 18. The original link for this message thread suggests book for a much younger age. I can't find anything that suggests the film (the first one) is a mandated part of any country wide curriculum. Nor that is is used at all. At least in the US course work at the lower levels (say up to about 14) are often strictly mandated at the regional level. Only advanced students are allowed to go off course. But of course if it is used in a classroom then one must 'watch' it. Although if my schooling was any indicator whether students actually got anything from a film watched in a classroom was debatable. Please do provide a link that demonstrates that there was a region that mandated it as part of the fixed curriculum since I cannot find that.
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We looked for a kids’ book to help us discuss the issue of climate change and discovered… there wasn’t one. We realized we’d have to make one ourselves. So we - a storyteller and a climate scientist - joined forces to write a book to communicate to kids about climate change. But more importantly, to inspire them to do something about it. With us, working together.[^] Not content with force feeding kids Gore's ludicrous film they now have to brainwash them at bed time. Disgusting. And the man behind it? Yes, old 'hide the decline' himself, mr 'my methods produce hockeysticks when fed red noise' junk scientist, Mann. He who made himself a Nobel Peace Prize award. When the debate leaves the realms of science, and becomes brainwashing the game is up.
you're such a fucking turd