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  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

    I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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    megaadam
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    You obviously need one table per trigger to keep track of them. Then add a trigger for each table if any trigger changes. FTFY.

    ... such stuff as dreams are made on

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      0 triggers on 0 tables (NaN%)

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      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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      Isn't it 100%? :-)

      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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        You obviously need one table per trigger to keep track of them. Then add a trigger for each table if any trigger changes. FTFY.

        ... such stuff as dreams are made on

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        Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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        Actually some of the triggers are there to log data changes (on important tables)... Others are for data integrity... And others are for sync with externals...

        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

          Isn't it 100%? :-)

          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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          Lost User
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          Yes but it's also 42%, and 9001%, etc..

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          • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

            I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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            ZurdoDev
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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

            (~23%)

            We got you beat. 247 triggers on 741 tables, exactly 1/3, although not intentional.

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            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

              I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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              Lost User
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              I avoid them as triggers too easily lend themselves to database-vendor specific code.

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                Actually some of the triggers are there to log data changes (on important tables)... Others are for data integrity... And others are for sync with externals...

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                Pualee
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                I'd start looking for a new job before the house of cards falls down.

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                • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                  I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

                  Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                  CodeWraith
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                  My former bosses have about 10 - 15 triggers on each and every table, some of them thousands of lines long. A nightmare. Especially after that experience: 0.0 triggers per table and not a single trigger more.

                  I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

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                    My former bosses have about 10 - 15 triggers on each and every table, some of them thousands of lines long. A nightmare. Especially after that experience: 0.0 triggers per table and not a single trigger more.

                    I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

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                    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                    That sounds awful... Our triggers are short (sometimes 2-3 triggers on the same event, just because they all do something else)...

                    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                    "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                      That sounds awful... Our triggers are short (sometimes 2-3 triggers on the same event, just because they all do something else)...

                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                      CodeWraith
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                      The major part of the application logic took place in those triggers. Guess why I run out of job interviews when I hear 'Access' or ' Former Acess project that has ben ported to xxx'.

                      I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

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                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                        I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

                        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                        Lotta time I see...

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                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                          I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

                          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                          Dave Kreskowiak
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                          I've used 2 in my entire 32 years of doing this crap.

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                            My former bosses have about 10 - 15 triggers on each and every table, some of them thousands of lines long. A nightmare. Especially after that experience: 0.0 triggers per table and not a single trigger more.

                            I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

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                            Sounds like a bunch of trigger happy bosses :suss:

                            ... such stuff as dreams are made on

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                            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                              I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

                              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                              R Giskard Reventlov
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                              Zero. Who needs 'em, eh?

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                              • abmvA abmv

                                Lotta time I see...

                                Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

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                                Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                                Working on a review of the DB design to suggest improvements...

                                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                                "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                                  My former bosses have about 10 - 15 triggers on each and every table, some of them thousands of lines long. A nightmare. Especially after that experience: 0.0 triggers per table and not a single trigger more.

                                  I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

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                                  Slacker007
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                                  CodeWraith wrote:

                                  My former bosses

                                  Database guys in charge of application development? Sounds like it to me.

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                                  • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                    I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

                                    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                    PIEBALDconsult
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                                    Zero. Though I may have written one about ten years ago. Only as a convenience for debugging. It was not vital to the system.

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                                    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                      I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

                                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                      Jeremy Falcon
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                                      Surely that would affect performance to have that many? Most DBs I've worked on tend to not have more than a few tops.

                                      Jeremy Falcon

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                                        CodeWraith wrote:

                                        My former bosses

                                        Database guys in charge of application development? Sounds like it to me.

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                                        CodeWraith
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                                        Even worse. Access guys in charge. I must have offended him when I looked at that stuff and asked him what this particular form of insanity is called.

                                        I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

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                                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                          I found we use SQL triggers a bit too much... 336 triggers on 1450 tables... (~23%)

                                          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                          Mycroft Holmes
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                                          :sigh: I hate triggers spit Development - 0 triggers UAT and Production 3 triggers on each of the master tables. I have a script that uses a configuration table to create and remove audit triggers on selected tables for each database. As we have approx 15 databases, any 3 of which will be deployed to production in any month this script is a life saver.

                                          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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