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  • M MSBassSinger

    Any reason you can't just level the table?

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    Joan M
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    After cursing a lot this is what I did... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The problem is that we have moved the office and we did it in a hurry (a lot of work) and my table was not leveled properly... I guess soon I'll be much better... :cool:

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    • abmvA abmv

      walking...standing...

      Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

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      Joan M
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      I think you are right... Yesterday I did it a little and today I'm a little bit better... let's hope I'll be well soon... I know I won't die of that, but it is terrible as I can't concentrate properly... X| Thank you for posting!

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      • S Sascha Lefevre

        Joan M wrote:

        I got a brand new Sail chair from Herman Miller.

        Looks fancy but not especially ergonomic, compared to mine. I've got a "Mister Sitwell". Never had backaches since.

        If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we would be so simple we couldn't. — Lyall Watson

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        I should have got the Aero from HM, but it was terribly expensive... Possibly my next chair, but by now, Sayl is far better than the one I was using... The problem was the unleveled table... Let's see if I get better soon... Thank you for your comment though, I'll check that chair when I think about changing the current one.

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        • G GuyThiebaut

          I have found two things to help - (1) Going for a walk at lunch (2) Having two tennis balls handy, lying on the ground on top of the tennis balls in the spots that ache and spending around three minutes doing the equivalent of what dogs do when they roll in something. It hurts but I have found it is the one thing that fixes my back the fastest. If I catch the ache early I find the tennis ball method can fix my back that day.

          “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

          ― Christopher Hitchens

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          Joan M
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          Incredible! I'll try it this weekend once I get a couple of them :D Thank you!

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          • C CHill60

            Standing for a few moments every hour plus some gentle stretches and twisting usually helps me out Edit: this sort of thing Wake-up workout - Live Well - NHS Choices[^] . I can do the seated / standing ones at work thru the day

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            Joan M
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            :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I've read the next comments sorry... nice link... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I'll try the stretches... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Thank you for it :thumbsup:

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            • J Jacquers

              This might help. Generally speaking people who sit a lot have bad posture and back issues. [How to Fix “Low Back” Pain) - YouTube](https://youtu.be/DWmGArQBtFI)

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              Joan M
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              Nice video! Thank you! :thumbsup:

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              • J Jorgen Andersson

                Sounds like the chair was wrong for you. We're all different, there is no chair that works for everyone. See if you can get another one. Take a look at the link from CHill, the knee rolls does it for me. Whenever my back feels "wrong" I do the knee rolls, hear and feel a klick. and usually everything is ok within a day. If I don't I'm looking forward to a lumbago and/or a week or two of back pain. For me the problem actually was my old car, I had back problems every month when it was at the worst. When I changed my car to a different brand, my problems more or less vanished within half a year.

                Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                Joan M
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                I don't think so... My English is not as good as it should be... The problem is the table... When we moved the office the table was not level so I forced my back to adapt to the displays and to the keyboard and mouse. After fine tuning the chair and leveling the table I guess I'll be again well soon. Of course it is possible that the chair is not good enough, but it feels very comfortable when you sit on it... Thank you for your comment!

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                • K KarstenK

                  Warming helps like with a warm (til hot) bath or other warm treatment.:thumbsup: I use sometimes Voltaren creme to linder the pain (it doesnt heal).

                  Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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                  Tried the voltaren thing... Nothing happened... Or I'm completely broken or I'm resistant to Voltaren :laugh: Temperature is another thing I have to try... Thank you for the comment!

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                  • P peterkmx

                    Swimming, especially crawl is a good movement to prevent/ease back/spine problems ... and also (I am not joking ...) run up the stairs using feet and arms, like a cat or dog ... (it is a real advice I got once from my physician), but I prefer swimming as it is less "unusual" :-) ... I imagine the faces om my neighbours - is he drunk or what ... also - manual therapy can help, and of course painkillers are not good at all ... BR

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                    I prefer swimming than the stairs thing... :laugh: Thank you, yes, the problem is that the nearest swimming pool is a little bit far away, but I love swimming and this could be an excuse to start doing it again...

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                    • L Lost User

                      As others said sitting too much is a problem, but it's slightly more than that, sitting too still is the aggravating factor. Same as staring at the screen too long without looking around much: stiff neck, keeping legs crossed for long periods, sore knees .... Our muscles are not designed for staying in one place, all muscles need to relax and tension - helps the fresh blood flow in, helps the crap flow out. Even when we sleep our unconscious brain moves us around. When I was a young lazy (and overweight) nerd I'd almost always have back pain often weeks at a time, these days pretty much none (except standing still too long will get me (for me will resolve fast with a brief sit or squat). getting up and walking about is a good start - anything less is just bad. Exercise warm-ups/downs (even without the exercise) is better, with real cardio exercise at least a few times a week best. tai chi also works really well. (Wont comment on yoga, never tried it.) Something else also not mentioned by others, all of the above will do as much for your mind as it does for your body, it's a fact, your brain benefits from breaks too. Not joking, try it and tell me I'm wrong - you wont. This once young lazy and fat nerd: Today I always slouch when I sit, sitting on a 3 legged stool I'll slouch, even more when watching videos at home - so slouched my ass is beyond the end of the chair, my neck bent forward by the back of the chair, and often my feet are up above my head and the screen (on cupboards around the PC) ... unlike my younger self I don't get sore at all. 1. I rarely sit still more than 30 minutes, even if it's just to go and pour a cup of coffee, after which I'll return back to that same slouched position 2. regular high intensity cardio, at least 5 hours a week including a minimum 30 minutes per session continuously 90 - 95% max HR - only danger to that: if I don't drink enough plain water during exercise sometimes later get cramps that bring tears to my eyes. (Sports drinks no difference or possibly worse - but don't bother with them, they're a waste of money bogus crap anyway - but that's another topic for the SB.)

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                      Joan M
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                      Seems you are right... Time to start doing something with my body... :rolleyes: I should get a couple of sport shoes and start running a little or going to swim... My days with the road bicycle are history... Thank you for your comment! :thumbsup:

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                      • M Munchies_Matt

                        exercise, a lot of exercise.

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                        Joan M
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                        You are right... :sigh: I'm afraid I won't be able to avoid it... :laugh: Now I have an excuse...

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                        • R Ravi Bhavnani

                          Joan M wrote:

                          What would you recommend me to soften that ache a little?

                          A sit-stand desk.  This[^] is what I use at work. I also recommend a 45 minute brisk walk at lunch every day and a walk around the floor every 30 minutes.  After experiencing a slipped disc a year ago, I decided I wasn't going to let my bad habits (writing code 12 hours a day) affect my health. :) /ravi

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                          Can't see the web page in MS Edge... saw it on the phone... nice things... Let's hope I'll be OK without that, but in any case, nice to know they exist... I had seen complete desks that move up and down, but this seems much easier to find/use/move in case of need. Thank you Ravi!

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                          • R RedDk

                            > methocarbamol <

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                            Joan M
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                            Nope... I'm a complete danger without drugs... :rolleyes: :laugh:

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                            • V Vaso Elias

                              Long term fix a regular Yoga or any daily (at least 30 min) back stretch routine :thumbsup:, after work.

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                              Joan M
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                              I feel like trying it... Yoga looks calmed and useful... Soon we will move the office again (stressful times) depending on where we move I'll see if there is the option there... Thank you for your comment!

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                              • W W Balboos GHB

                                One source of back pain is weak stomach muscles - basic a continuous gentle stress to keep you a bit straighter with the wrong set of muscles.

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                                Joan M
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                                This can't be the reason... You know what they say... chocolate tablet... I have it covered... I have melted chocolate... but is chocolate nevertheless... I'm sure something will have been lost in the translation, but you get the idea... ;) Seriously you are right, I have to start moving a little and do some sport...

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                                • A agolddog

                                  I had terrible lower back/hip pain, finally got some physical therapy. They gave me exercises to strengthen the core abdominal and back muscles (to better support the weight of the upper body) and some stretches to loosen up those muscles. It's worked wonders. Strongly recommended. I've went from sometimes being barely able to move to a pretty normal existence. Just occasional discomfort when I overwork that area (or don't keep up with my exercises).

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                                  Joan M
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                                  I have called one doctor close by... Let's see if afterwards I'm a new guy... I hope you are right and I feel better afterwards... Thank you!

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                                  • U User 7977230

                                    Strengthening your upper back (think lat rows and flys) helped quite a bit for me. (There are variations using a stability ball and weights if you don't have a gym). But you're less hunched over, which straightens your thoracic spine, which relieves some pressure on your lumbar.

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                                    Joan M
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                                    I guess so... I have to start moving a little... Thank you for your comment!

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                                    • J Joan M

                                      You are right... :sigh: I'm afraid I won't be able to avoid it... :laugh: Now I have an excuse...

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                                      Munchies_Matt
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                                      Cycling to work is a good way to keep in shape, it is free exercise, often as quick as driving, and a real wake up in the morning.

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                                      • J Joan M

                                        Of course I'll go to the doctor this next week, but meanwhile... I got a brand new Sail chair from Herman Miller. Yesterday I saw the table at the office was a little bit inclined to the right... And now, after a couple of months sitting on the new chair I've discovered my back is aching terribly in the low end left side. As most of the people here are sitting everyday and I guess I'm not the first one to get this kind of ache... What would you recommend me to soften that ache a little? Thank you all!

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                                        Jacek M Glen
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                                        In addition to all exercises previously mentioned I find this one to be particularly helpful. With one correction, you should point your head in the opposite direction to your knee. The cutie on the video keeps looking up, without moving her head. In general, any exercise twisting your spine (carefully!) and relaxing back muscle should help.

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                                        • abmvA abmv

                                          walking...standing...

                                          Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long

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                                          OrxataEnFartons
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                                          Yes. I've been there. Practise sport or, at least, walking, moving. Don't wait to stop hurting to move, it's just the opposite, you should force yourself to move for the pain to disappear. If you can't sleep at night because of the pain, a heating pad works perfect for me. You can have a terrible chair and table, but if you keep yourself active the pain won't appear. While working, try to find an excuse to stand and walk a bit every hour. Source: decades of experience of back problems.

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