Old driver support removed from newer Win10 builds?
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Had a buddy of mine bring me an almost 10 year old laptop this weekend, that had come with Windows 7, but had been upgraded to 10 back when MS was pushing hard to get people to upgrade. The laptop can do 1600x900, but ever since the 1709 upgrade, his resolution dropped to 1024x768. The only available options in the resolution dropdown were 800x600, 1024x768, and 1152x864. No amount of fiddling with the video driver, including fully uninstalling and reinstalling it, solved anything. Then I realized something I've never seen before: Device Manager correctly identified the video chipset as a Radeon 3200 HD, *but* the now-Metrofied (my word) Settings page, where the user gets to choose his resolution, simply reported back "Microsoft Basic Video Display"...or whatever the lowest common denominator is called...as if there was a disconnect between the two. Device Manager reported one thing, but that wasn't brought forward in the resolution selection dialog. System Restore worked, according to the laptop's owner (restoring to a point in time before installing 1709)--that is, the correct resolution was selected and everything was back to normal...although I didn't see myself while it was back in this state to confirm whether the Metrofied Settings page was then showing the correct chipset name rather than the basic driver. However, as soon as 1709 reinstalled itself a few days later, the problem came back. As I said, the machine is very old, so it wouldn't surprise me if MS removed support for this particular chipset starting with 1709, and maybe it couldn't figure out what to do with the driver that was already installed/reported back by Device Manager...but that was a rather strange state. Anyway, long story short: The guy already hated Windows 10, so I suggested to simply reinstall that. A clean install, and at least 12 reboots later (until Windows Update came with nothing else to offer), he was back in business... Bonus: Apparently his hard drive died a few years ago and he had it replaced with an SSD, so even though the machine's quite old, it's still quite fast (especially with a fresh Win7 install). My point? I had initially set out to describe what a full Windows 7 re-installation process looks like nowadays, but this is already getting way too long, so that'll have to be a story for another day/thread. Suffice it to say that I'm still scratching my head over this disconnect between Device Manager and the Metrofied resolution picker. I dread the day where *everything* in Control Panel has
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Had a buddy of mine bring me an almost 10 year old laptop this weekend, that had come with Windows 7, but had been upgraded to 10 back when MS was pushing hard to get people to upgrade. The laptop can do 1600x900, but ever since the 1709 upgrade, his resolution dropped to 1024x768. The only available options in the resolution dropdown were 800x600, 1024x768, and 1152x864. No amount of fiddling with the video driver, including fully uninstalling and reinstalling it, solved anything. Then I realized something I've never seen before: Device Manager correctly identified the video chipset as a Radeon 3200 HD, *but* the now-Metrofied (my word) Settings page, where the user gets to choose his resolution, simply reported back "Microsoft Basic Video Display"...or whatever the lowest common denominator is called...as if there was a disconnect between the two. Device Manager reported one thing, but that wasn't brought forward in the resolution selection dialog. System Restore worked, according to the laptop's owner (restoring to a point in time before installing 1709)--that is, the correct resolution was selected and everything was back to normal...although I didn't see myself while it was back in this state to confirm whether the Metrofied Settings page was then showing the correct chipset name rather than the basic driver. However, as soon as 1709 reinstalled itself a few days later, the problem came back. As I said, the machine is very old, so it wouldn't surprise me if MS removed support for this particular chipset starting with 1709, and maybe it couldn't figure out what to do with the driver that was already installed/reported back by Device Manager...but that was a rather strange state. Anyway, long story short: The guy already hated Windows 10, so I suggested to simply reinstall that. A clean install, and at least 12 reboots later (until Windows Update came with nothing else to offer), he was back in business... Bonus: Apparently his hard drive died a few years ago and he had it replaced with an SSD, so even though the machine's quite old, it's still quite fast (especially with a fresh Win7 install). My point? I had initially set out to describe what a full Windows 7 re-installation process looks like nowadays, but this is already getting way too long, so that'll have to be a story for another day/thread. Suffice it to say that I'm still scratching my head over this disconnect between Device Manager and the Metrofied resolution picker. I dread the day where *everything* in Control Panel has
Microsoft is not alone in lack of support for older hardware. Back in the days of XP I bought a HP scanner that worked great up to the point where I upgraded to Windows 7. The driver was not compatible with 7. I thought: No problem, get a new driver from HP. But HP tech support told me they no longer supported that scanner. It was barely 5 years old. HP's advice: Buy a new scanner! I took their advice. I bought a Canon scanner and took a solemn oath never to buy HP again. :mad:
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Microsoft is not alone in lack of support for older hardware. Back in the days of XP I bought a HP scanner that worked great up to the point where I upgraded to Windows 7. The driver was not compatible with 7. I thought: No problem, get a new driver from HP. But HP tech support told me they no longer supported that scanner. It was barely 5 years old. HP's advice: Buy a new scanner! I took their advice. I bought a Canon scanner and took a solemn oath never to buy HP again. :mad:
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The problem here is that Windows 10 worked fine with that video chipset since the laptop was upgraded from 7 to 10. It's only when 1709 came out that it stopped working. I have no idea whether MS is in the habit of removing older hardware support from *updates*. Upgrading from 7 to 8 to 8.1 to 10...I can see that happening...but updates to the same OS? In the past, you could decide to skip an entire generation of Windows until you had tested it sufficiently to determine whether your hardware/software was compatible with it. This new development seems to indicate you can no longer expect compatibility between *updates* to Windows. That's rather disturbing.
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Had a buddy of mine bring me an almost 10 year old laptop this weekend, that had come with Windows 7, but had been upgraded to 10 back when MS was pushing hard to get people to upgrade. The laptop can do 1600x900, but ever since the 1709 upgrade, his resolution dropped to 1024x768. The only available options in the resolution dropdown were 800x600, 1024x768, and 1152x864. No amount of fiddling with the video driver, including fully uninstalling and reinstalling it, solved anything. Then I realized something I've never seen before: Device Manager correctly identified the video chipset as a Radeon 3200 HD, *but* the now-Metrofied (my word) Settings page, where the user gets to choose his resolution, simply reported back "Microsoft Basic Video Display"...or whatever the lowest common denominator is called...as if there was a disconnect between the two. Device Manager reported one thing, but that wasn't brought forward in the resolution selection dialog. System Restore worked, according to the laptop's owner (restoring to a point in time before installing 1709)--that is, the correct resolution was selected and everything was back to normal...although I didn't see myself while it was back in this state to confirm whether the Metrofied Settings page was then showing the correct chipset name rather than the basic driver. However, as soon as 1709 reinstalled itself a few days later, the problem came back. As I said, the machine is very old, so it wouldn't surprise me if MS removed support for this particular chipset starting with 1709, and maybe it couldn't figure out what to do with the driver that was already installed/reported back by Device Manager...but that was a rather strange state. Anyway, long story short: The guy already hated Windows 10, so I suggested to simply reinstall that. A clean install, and at least 12 reboots later (until Windows Update came with nothing else to offer), he was back in business... Bonus: Apparently his hard drive died a few years ago and he had it replaced with an SSD, so even though the machine's quite old, it's still quite fast (especially with a fresh Win7 install). My point? I had initially set out to describe what a full Windows 7 re-installation process looks like nowadays, but this is already getting way too long, so that'll have to be a story for another day/thread. Suffice it to say that I'm still scratching my head over this disconnect between Device Manager and the Metrofied resolution picker. I dread the day where *everything* in Control Panel has
When in doubt, I always go for Windows 10 God Mode[^]. While MS keeps hiding more of the control panel from the average user, this shortcut to all of the now-hidden treasures remains.
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When in doubt, I always go for Windows 10 God Mode[^]. While MS keeps hiding more of the control panel from the average user, this shortcut to all of the now-hidden treasures remains.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
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The problem here is that Windows 10 worked fine with that video chipset since the laptop was upgraded from 7 to 10. It's only when 1709 came out that it stopped working. I have no idea whether MS is in the habit of removing older hardware support from *updates*. Upgrading from 7 to 8 to 8.1 to 10...I can see that happening...but updates to the same OS? In the past, you could decide to skip an entire generation of Windows until you had tested it sufficiently to determine whether your hardware/software was compatible with it. This new development seems to indicate you can no longer expect compatibility between *updates* to Windows. That's rather disturbing.
dandy72 wrote:
I have no idea whether MS is in the habit of removing older hardware support from updates.
Microsoft clearly states that hardware vendors can choose to stop supporting any hardware whenever they want. It sounds like Microsoft has simply chosen to stop supporting your friend's hardware with the latest update.
dandy72 wrote:
This new development seems to indicate you can no longer expect compatibility between updates to Windows. That's rather disturbing.
Get used to it. And prepare yourself for when your hardware unexpectedly becomes unsupported. Your friend is only the canary -- this is the shape of MS computing for the foreseeable future.
I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.
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Microsoft is not alone in lack of support for older hardware. Back in the days of XP I bought a HP scanner that worked great up to the point where I upgraded to Windows 7. The driver was not compatible with 7. I thought: No problem, get a new driver from HP. But HP tech support told me they no longer supported that scanner. It was barely 5 years old. HP's advice: Buy a new scanner! I took their advice. I bought a Canon scanner and took a solemn oath never to buy HP again. :mad:
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Software isn't far behind.... Adobe lost me forever as a paying customer with Creative Suite 2 Premium (released in 2005). Microsoft releases Vista in '06. Half of CS2 doesnt work, Adobe will not patch as they are releasing CS3 in '07, and told me no upgrade path would be available and to pay for a full new version
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dandy72 wrote:
I have no idea whether MS is in the habit of removing older hardware support from updates.
Microsoft clearly states that hardware vendors can choose to stop supporting any hardware whenever they want. It sounds like Microsoft has simply chosen to stop supporting your friend's hardware with the latest update.
dandy72 wrote:
This new development seems to indicate you can no longer expect compatibility between updates to Windows. That's rather disturbing.
Get used to it. And prepare yourself for when your hardware unexpectedly becomes unsupported. Your friend is only the canary -- this is the shape of MS computing for the foreseeable future.
I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.
There used to be a time when you could almost be certain a driver for a version of Windows was still going to work with the next one up, provided that MS didn't change the driver model between those versions. This is why a lot of Windows 7 (or even Vista) drivers still work fine today with Windows 10. Not so, say, when we made the jump from XP to Vista. If that's the way forward, MS will have to clarify their stance if this is indeed the "last" version of Windows, as they've stated in the past, and they're simply going to keep building on top of what exists right now (as opposed to redoing huge parts of the OS with multi-year gaps between releases).
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When in doubt, I always go for Windows 10 God Mode[^]. While MS keeps hiding more of the control panel from the average user, this shortcut to all of the now-hidden treasures remains.
if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016
As far as I've ever been able to tell, the so-called God Mode list simply flattens the hierarchy of shortcuts you can get to through Control Panel and other applets. I'm not aware of any option in there that's not still exposed elsewhere. Do you know of any specific example?
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Had a buddy of mine bring me an almost 10 year old laptop this weekend, that had come with Windows 7, but had been upgraded to 10 back when MS was pushing hard to get people to upgrade. The laptop can do 1600x900, but ever since the 1709 upgrade, his resolution dropped to 1024x768. The only available options in the resolution dropdown were 800x600, 1024x768, and 1152x864. No amount of fiddling with the video driver, including fully uninstalling and reinstalling it, solved anything. Then I realized something I've never seen before: Device Manager correctly identified the video chipset as a Radeon 3200 HD, *but* the now-Metrofied (my word) Settings page, where the user gets to choose his resolution, simply reported back "Microsoft Basic Video Display"...or whatever the lowest common denominator is called...as if there was a disconnect between the two. Device Manager reported one thing, but that wasn't brought forward in the resolution selection dialog. System Restore worked, according to the laptop's owner (restoring to a point in time before installing 1709)--that is, the correct resolution was selected and everything was back to normal...although I didn't see myself while it was back in this state to confirm whether the Metrofied Settings page was then showing the correct chipset name rather than the basic driver. However, as soon as 1709 reinstalled itself a few days later, the problem came back. As I said, the machine is very old, so it wouldn't surprise me if MS removed support for this particular chipset starting with 1709, and maybe it couldn't figure out what to do with the driver that was already installed/reported back by Device Manager...but that was a rather strange state. Anyway, long story short: The guy already hated Windows 10, so I suggested to simply reinstall that. A clean install, and at least 12 reboots later (until Windows Update came with nothing else to offer), he was back in business... Bonus: Apparently his hard drive died a few years ago and he had it replaced with an SSD, so even though the machine's quite old, it's still quite fast (especially with a fresh Win7 install). My point? I had initially set out to describe what a full Windows 7 re-installation process looks like nowadays, but this is already getting way too long, so that'll have to be a story for another day/thread. Suffice it to say that I'm still scratching my head over this disconnect between Device Manager and the Metrofied resolution picker. I dread the day where *everything* in Control Panel has
Yep. A buddy of mine brought his (Only 5 years old! he said) hp dv7 laptop in with the screen doing nothing but strobing black to bright blue to black to bright blue. I looked on hps site and saw that they offer no display driver for anything later than windows 7 x64 for this laptop and neither does intel. So we removed the drivers causing windows 10 1709 to revert to Basic Windows Display driver, which for all intent and purposes looked good at 1300 x 900. Off he went happy. I expect to see more of this in the near future. This is no doubt an attempt to bolster new pc sales which are flat out on the mat these days.
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As far as I've ever been able to tell, the so-called God Mode list simply flattens the hierarchy of shortcuts you can get to through Control Panel and other applets. I'm not aware of any option in there that's not still exposed elsewhere. Do you know of any specific example?
For me and my transition from 7 to 10, the benefit has been that since I cannot always remember where they put all the various settings (I can't find the Control Panel shortcut sometimes), it was better just to have the God Mode shortcut right there on the Desktop. Not that it's better, it's a little more convenient for me at least.
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Yep. A buddy of mine brought his (Only 5 years old! he said) hp dv7 laptop in with the screen doing nothing but strobing black to bright blue to black to bright blue. I looked on hps site and saw that they offer no display driver for anything later than windows 7 x64 for this laptop and neither does intel. So we removed the drivers causing windows 10 1709 to revert to Basic Windows Display driver, which for all intent and purposes looked good at 1300 x 900. Off he went happy. I expect to see more of this in the near future. This is no doubt an attempt to bolster new pc sales which are flat out on the mat these days.
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This is no doubt an attempt to bolster new pc sales
And most probably also an attempt to lower costs incurred to support their own products. But in doing so, they are losing what could have been loyal long term customers.
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There used to be a time when you could almost be certain a driver for a version of Windows was still going to work with the next one up, provided that MS didn't change the driver model between those versions. This is why a lot of Windows 7 (or even Vista) drivers still work fine today with Windows 10. Not so, say, when we made the jump from XP to Vista. If that's the way forward, MS will have to clarify their stance if this is indeed the "last" version of Windows, as they've stated in the past, and they're simply going to keep building on top of what exists right now (as opposed to redoing huge parts of the OS with multi-year gaps between releases).
Are you quite sure that they did NOT change the driver model? What is likely is that the model was significantly changed from Windows 7 to Windows 10 (yes, it was), but in a transition phase, Windows 10 had some emulation of the Windows 7 model to give hardware vendors some time to come up with a true Windows 10 driver. A transition period does not last forever. You can't expect a Windows 7 driver to work in Windows 10, 11, 12 and 13. Now that Microsoft has decided not to call future versions 11, 12 and 13, but Windows 10 updates, the situation is nevertheless the same: You cannot expect Windows 7 drivers to work forever. Microsoft develops some drivers, but the majority are developed and maintained by hardware manufacturers. If the hardware vendor never made a Windows 10 driver, your friend is out of luck. Some vendors do provide driver updates that are not distributed through Microsoft update, but you have to download from the vendor site. You might find it, even if it wasn't installed with Windows update.
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Had a buddy of mine bring me an almost 10 year old laptop this weekend, that had come with Windows 7, but had been upgraded to 10 back when MS was pushing hard to get people to upgrade. The laptop can do 1600x900, but ever since the 1709 upgrade, his resolution dropped to 1024x768. The only available options in the resolution dropdown were 800x600, 1024x768, and 1152x864. No amount of fiddling with the video driver, including fully uninstalling and reinstalling it, solved anything. Then I realized something I've never seen before: Device Manager correctly identified the video chipset as a Radeon 3200 HD, *but* the now-Metrofied (my word) Settings page, where the user gets to choose his resolution, simply reported back "Microsoft Basic Video Display"...or whatever the lowest common denominator is called...as if there was a disconnect between the two. Device Manager reported one thing, but that wasn't brought forward in the resolution selection dialog. System Restore worked, according to the laptop's owner (restoring to a point in time before installing 1709)--that is, the correct resolution was selected and everything was back to normal...although I didn't see myself while it was back in this state to confirm whether the Metrofied Settings page was then showing the correct chipset name rather than the basic driver. However, as soon as 1709 reinstalled itself a few days later, the problem came back. As I said, the machine is very old, so it wouldn't surprise me if MS removed support for this particular chipset starting with 1709, and maybe it couldn't figure out what to do with the driver that was already installed/reported back by Device Manager...but that was a rather strange state. Anyway, long story short: The guy already hated Windows 10, so I suggested to simply reinstall that. A clean install, and at least 12 reboots later (until Windows Update came with nothing else to offer), he was back in business... Bonus: Apparently his hard drive died a few years ago and he had it replaced with an SSD, so even though the machine's quite old, it's still quite fast (especially with a fresh Win7 install). My point? I had initially set out to describe what a full Windows 7 re-installation process looks like nowadays, but this is already getting way too long, so that'll have to be a story for another day/thread. Suffice it to say that I'm still scratching my head over this disconnect between Device Manager and the Metrofied resolution picker. I dread the day where *everything* in Control Panel has
Years ago, I had an even worse case: This was before S/PDIF inputs on the mainboard was common, so I had an external box for S/PDIF-to-USB conversion. After a couple years, the vendor announced that they would be closing down hardware development to become a specialist in writing drivers for other harware manunfacturers. So they became driver specialists - abandoning their own hardware. They stopped maintaining the drivers for it. Thiw was when XP came onto the scene, and they wrote lots of XP drivers for others, but not for their own, like the box with their label on that I was using. When I switched to XP, I had to find another way to input S/PDIF signals.
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Had a buddy of mine bring me an almost 10 year old laptop this weekend, that had come with Windows 7, but had been upgraded to 10 back when MS was pushing hard to get people to upgrade. The laptop can do 1600x900, but ever since the 1709 upgrade, his resolution dropped to 1024x768. The only available options in the resolution dropdown were 800x600, 1024x768, and 1152x864. No amount of fiddling with the video driver, including fully uninstalling and reinstalling it, solved anything. Then I realized something I've never seen before: Device Manager correctly identified the video chipset as a Radeon 3200 HD, *but* the now-Metrofied (my word) Settings page, where the user gets to choose his resolution, simply reported back "Microsoft Basic Video Display"...or whatever the lowest common denominator is called...as if there was a disconnect between the two. Device Manager reported one thing, but that wasn't brought forward in the resolution selection dialog. System Restore worked, according to the laptop's owner (restoring to a point in time before installing 1709)--that is, the correct resolution was selected and everything was back to normal...although I didn't see myself while it was back in this state to confirm whether the Metrofied Settings page was then showing the correct chipset name rather than the basic driver. However, as soon as 1709 reinstalled itself a few days later, the problem came back. As I said, the machine is very old, so it wouldn't surprise me if MS removed support for this particular chipset starting with 1709, and maybe it couldn't figure out what to do with the driver that was already installed/reported back by Device Manager...but that was a rather strange state. Anyway, long story short: The guy already hated Windows 10, so I suggested to simply reinstall that. A clean install, and at least 12 reboots later (until Windows Update came with nothing else to offer), he was back in business... Bonus: Apparently his hard drive died a few years ago and he had it replaced with an SSD, so even though the machine's quite old, it's still quite fast (especially with a fresh Win7 install). My point? I had initially set out to describe what a full Windows 7 re-installation process looks like nowadays, but this is already getting way too long, so that'll have to be a story for another day/thread. Suffice it to say that I'm still scratching my head over this disconnect between Device Manager and the Metrofied resolution picker. I dread the day where *everything* in Control Panel has
The problem seems to be augmented by the fact it is a ATI/AMD Graphics card. Recently tried to recycle a old laptop with a X1200 and same resolution... - Win 10 had the same issues as yours. - No Linux distibution I tried picked it up correctly. - End up with win 7 and a day updating.
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Had a buddy of mine bring me an almost 10 year old laptop this weekend, that had come with Windows 7, but had been upgraded to 10 back when MS was pushing hard to get people to upgrade. The laptop can do 1600x900, but ever since the 1709 upgrade, his resolution dropped to 1024x768. The only available options in the resolution dropdown were 800x600, 1024x768, and 1152x864. No amount of fiddling with the video driver, including fully uninstalling and reinstalling it, solved anything. Then I realized something I've never seen before: Device Manager correctly identified the video chipset as a Radeon 3200 HD, *but* the now-Metrofied (my word) Settings page, where the user gets to choose his resolution, simply reported back "Microsoft Basic Video Display"...or whatever the lowest common denominator is called...as if there was a disconnect between the two. Device Manager reported one thing, but that wasn't brought forward in the resolution selection dialog. System Restore worked, according to the laptop's owner (restoring to a point in time before installing 1709)--that is, the correct resolution was selected and everything was back to normal...although I didn't see myself while it was back in this state to confirm whether the Metrofied Settings page was then showing the correct chipset name rather than the basic driver. However, as soon as 1709 reinstalled itself a few days later, the problem came back. As I said, the machine is very old, so it wouldn't surprise me if MS removed support for this particular chipset starting with 1709, and maybe it couldn't figure out what to do with the driver that was already installed/reported back by Device Manager...but that was a rather strange state. Anyway, long story short: The guy already hated Windows 10, so I suggested to simply reinstall that. A clean install, and at least 12 reboots later (until Windows Update came with nothing else to offer), he was back in business... Bonus: Apparently his hard drive died a few years ago and he had it replaced with an SSD, so even though the machine's quite old, it's still quite fast (especially with a fresh Win7 install). My point? I had initially set out to describe what a full Windows 7 re-installation process looks like nowadays, but this is already getting way too long, so that'll have to be a story for another day/thread. Suffice it to say that I'm still scratching my head over this disconnect between Device Manager and the Metrofied resolution picker. I dread the day where *everything* in Control Panel has
I had the same problem with a desktop PC last Sunday. The PC was already equipped with a working W10 installation, just after the install of the "fall creators update" the video resolution dropped from 1600*900 to 1024*768. Solution was: - uninstalling the video card from the device manager (marking the "delete software driver" option) - download and reinstall the official sw from the video card manufacturer's site Same problem occurred on my personal home PC, after the "falling" update, my Sound Blaster audio card stopped working :( I suppose the new W10 update is messing around with drivers in general..
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Had a buddy of mine bring me an almost 10 year old laptop this weekend, that had come with Windows 7, but had been upgraded to 10 back when MS was pushing hard to get people to upgrade. The laptop can do 1600x900, but ever since the 1709 upgrade, his resolution dropped to 1024x768. The only available options in the resolution dropdown were 800x600, 1024x768, and 1152x864. No amount of fiddling with the video driver, including fully uninstalling and reinstalling it, solved anything. Then I realized something I've never seen before: Device Manager correctly identified the video chipset as a Radeon 3200 HD, *but* the now-Metrofied (my word) Settings page, where the user gets to choose his resolution, simply reported back "Microsoft Basic Video Display"...or whatever the lowest common denominator is called...as if there was a disconnect between the two. Device Manager reported one thing, but that wasn't brought forward in the resolution selection dialog. System Restore worked, according to the laptop's owner (restoring to a point in time before installing 1709)--that is, the correct resolution was selected and everything was back to normal...although I didn't see myself while it was back in this state to confirm whether the Metrofied Settings page was then showing the correct chipset name rather than the basic driver. However, as soon as 1709 reinstalled itself a few days later, the problem came back. As I said, the machine is very old, so it wouldn't surprise me if MS removed support for this particular chipset starting with 1709, and maybe it couldn't figure out what to do with the driver that was already installed/reported back by Device Manager...but that was a rather strange state. Anyway, long story short: The guy already hated Windows 10, so I suggested to simply reinstall that. A clean install, and at least 12 reboots later (until Windows Update came with nothing else to offer), he was back in business... Bonus: Apparently his hard drive died a few years ago and he had it replaced with an SSD, so even though the machine's quite old, it's still quite fast (especially with a fresh Win7 install). My point? I had initially set out to describe what a full Windows 7 re-installation process looks like nowadays, but this is already getting way too long, so that'll have to be a story for another day/thread. Suffice it to say that I'm still scratching my head over this disconnect between Device Manager and the Metrofied resolution picker. I dread the day where *everything* in Control Panel has
Before nuking the OS next time, I'd suggest trying a driver download directly from AMD first. The windows GPU driver installer has issues around fringe cases, and is especially eager to break stuff in service pack updates. I wouldn't be surprised if it attempted to install the current "universal" AMD driver; despite that driver no longer working for your buddy's ancient GPU.
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I had the same problem with a desktop PC last Sunday. The PC was already equipped with a working W10 installation, just after the install of the "fall creators update" the video resolution dropped from 1600*900 to 1024*768. Solution was: - uninstalling the video card from the device manager (marking the "delete software driver" option) - download and reinstall the official sw from the video card manufacturer's site Same problem occurred on my personal home PC, after the "falling" update, my Sound Blaster audio card stopped working :( I suppose the new W10 update is messing around with drivers in general..
My Windows 10 PC, happily running at 1920 x 1080, suddenly went blank, then came back at 1024 x 768 recently, also with a Radeon card. Device Manager claimed the driver was the latest available, but the date gave away what had happened. Probing about in the device manager page, I found it allowed me to revert to the previous driver and even allowed me to say why. It lasted until The addition of a second monitor a couple of weeks later prompted an upgrade, but the 7 year old Radeon was coping fine otherwise, after the driver "downgrade".
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Had a buddy of mine bring me an almost 10 year old laptop this weekend, that had come with Windows 7, but had been upgraded to 10 back when MS was pushing hard to get people to upgrade. The laptop can do 1600x900, but ever since the 1709 upgrade, his resolution dropped to 1024x768. The only available options in the resolution dropdown were 800x600, 1024x768, and 1152x864. No amount of fiddling with the video driver, including fully uninstalling and reinstalling it, solved anything. Then I realized something I've never seen before: Device Manager correctly identified the video chipset as a Radeon 3200 HD, *but* the now-Metrofied (my word) Settings page, where the user gets to choose his resolution, simply reported back "Microsoft Basic Video Display"...or whatever the lowest common denominator is called...as if there was a disconnect between the two. Device Manager reported one thing, but that wasn't brought forward in the resolution selection dialog. System Restore worked, according to the laptop's owner (restoring to a point in time before installing 1709)--that is, the correct resolution was selected and everything was back to normal...although I didn't see myself while it was back in this state to confirm whether the Metrofied Settings page was then showing the correct chipset name rather than the basic driver. However, as soon as 1709 reinstalled itself a few days later, the problem came back. As I said, the machine is very old, so it wouldn't surprise me if MS removed support for this particular chipset starting with 1709, and maybe it couldn't figure out what to do with the driver that was already installed/reported back by Device Manager...but that was a rather strange state. Anyway, long story short: The guy already hated Windows 10, so I suggested to simply reinstall that. A clean install, and at least 12 reboots later (until Windows Update came with nothing else to offer), he was back in business... Bonus: Apparently his hard drive died a few years ago and he had it replaced with an SSD, so even though the machine's quite old, it's still quite fast (especially with a fresh Win7 install). My point? I had initially set out to describe what a full Windows 7 re-installation process looks like nowadays, but this is already getting way too long, so that'll have to be a story for another day/thread. Suffice it to say that I'm still scratching my head over this disconnect between Device Manager and the Metrofied resolution picker. I dread the day where *everything* in Control Panel has
I had this exact problem with an old Radeon HD4600. Long story short - AMD don't provide a Windows 10 driver that you can install they only supply one via Windows Update. This had been replaced a newer Windows Basic driver that doesn't work. The solution was simply to go onto the device manager and rollback a couple of versions to the non-Windows version that was dated a couple of years ago. Good as new now.
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Are you quite sure that they did NOT change the driver model? What is likely is that the model was significantly changed from Windows 7 to Windows 10 (yes, it was), but in a transition phase, Windows 10 had some emulation of the Windows 7 model to give hardware vendors some time to come up with a true Windows 10 driver. A transition period does not last forever. You can't expect a Windows 7 driver to work in Windows 10, 11, 12 and 13. Now that Microsoft has decided not to call future versions 11, 12 and 13, but Windows 10 updates, the situation is nevertheless the same: You cannot expect Windows 7 drivers to work forever. Microsoft develops some drivers, but the majority are developed and maintained by hardware manufacturers. If the hardware vendor never made a Windows 10 driver, your friend is out of luck. Some vendors do provide driver updates that are not distributed through Microsoft update, but you have to download from the vendor site. You might find it, even if it wasn't installed with Windows update.
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Are you quite sure that they did NOT change the driver model?
Microsoft is generally pretty vocal about making these sorts of breaking changes, especially something that would break a lot of software/hardware and could result in a lot of unhappy OEMs (not to mention anything about consumers). Have you heard anything about breaking changes to the driver model in Windows 10? I know I haven't, and I try to stay on top of these sorts of announcements from MS. Also: I can honestly say that 99% of all drivers designed for Windows 7 that *I* have had to manually try to install on newer versions still work. Of course things can change over time so there's never any guarantee, but I wouldn't describe the current situation in an apocalyptic manner.