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  • C Chris Maunder

    ...has inexplicably and suddenly become my new browser of choice. Just like that. Sorry Chrome. It was good while it lasted. Except for the bits where you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing.

    cheers Chris Maunder

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    Mladen Jankovic
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    [Think](https://sircmpwn.github.io/2017/12/16/Firefox-is-on-a-slippery-slope.html) [again](https://www.reddit.com/r/firefox/comments/74yo19/cliqz\_and\_mozilla\_as\_i\_understand\_it\_and\_metadrama/)! I'm not implying Chrome is any better

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    • E Ehsan Sajjad

      just wondering how many tabs were there openend?

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      Brisingr Aerowing
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      Didn't matter. Even if there was only one tab, Chrome would OOM. I also hate how the tabs get smaller and smaller instead of scrolling like every other browser.

      What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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      • C Chris Maunder

        ...has inexplicably and suddenly become my new browser of choice. Just like that. Sorry Chrome. It was good while it lasted. Except for the bits where you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing.

        cheers Chris Maunder

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        DaveAuld
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        Not as if you were using that RAM for anything else, so it was fair game. Did you get you experience the free Mr Robot plugin that FF deployed with the update?

        Dave Find Me On:Web|Youtube|Facebook|Twitter|LinkedIn Folding Stats: Team CodeProject

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        • M Maximilien

          Yep. Transferring passwords and bookmarks; will see how it works.

          I'd rather be phishing!

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          Johnny J
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          It works perfectly. But that's not new, they've had that for a loooong time... :doh:

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          • M Mehdi Gholam

            I've always used Firefox on a daily basis as my main browser (although their resent change in the add-ins was a problem but its getting better and the plugins I use are being updated). For web development/debugging I like to use Chrome. Opera is really good too, and I use it's built in VPN.

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            PeejayAdams
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            I really like Opera but the inevitable problem is that so many sites only support the "big 3" and therein lies the problem. Microsoft have completely lost the plot with the IE/Edge development path. Chrome used to be great but now just eats memory. Firefox, which also used to be great, is now just bloatware. But because they established the big market shares back in the days when they were better, they're the ones that get supported - it's a Catch 22. A quick glance at [browser market share stats](https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?options={"filter"%3A{"%24and"%3A[{"deviceType"%3A{"%24in"%3A["Desktop%2Flaptop"]}}]}%2C"dateLabel"%3A"Trend"%2C"attributes"%3A"share"%2C"group"%3A"browser"%2C"sort"%3A{"share"%3A-1}%2C"id"%3A"browsersDesktop"%2C"dateInterval"%3A"Monthly"%2C"dateStart"%3A"2016-12"%2C"dateEnd"%3A"2017-11"%2C"segments"%3A"-1000"}) shows how valuable what I would call "legacy popularity" is. It's a similar situation to Android - Android used to be cool, now it gets progressively worse due to the pointless tinkering that comes with every "upgrade" but because it was good for long enough for it to have become the only phone/tab OS in town, it's difficult to see how it will ever get dislodged.

            98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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            • C Chris Maunder

              ...has inexplicably and suddenly become my new browser of choice. Just like that. Sorry Chrome. It was good while it lasted. Except for the bits where you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing.

              cheers Chris Maunder

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              weky59
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              Chris Maunder wrote:

              Except for the bits where you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing.

              *khm* (granted it was running for a few days, but seeing this more and more often after upgrading to FF57)

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              • Mike HankeyM Mike Hankey

                There Web development environment is pretty awesome!

                Someone's therapist knows all about you!

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                "Their"

                ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                  "Their"

                  ".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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                  You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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                  When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013

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                  Mike Hankey
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                  Wheir?

                  Someone's therapist knows all about you!

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                  • B Brisingr Aerowing

                    Didn't matter. Even if there was only one tab, Chrome would OOM. I also hate how the tabs get smaller and smaller instead of scrolling like every other browser.

                    What do you get when you cross a joke with a rhetorical question? The metaphorical solid rear-end expulsions have impacted the metaphorical motorized bladed rotating air movement mechanism. Do questions with multiple question marks annoy you???

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                    I'm just guessing, mind you, but it is "Google" chrome. I'd wager that you'd not need to do anything as it will find plenty to do on its own. A bit of a memory leak here. A snapshot there. That might tend to add up.

                    Ravings en masse^

                    "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein

                    "If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      ...has inexplicably and suddenly become my new browser of choice. Just like that. Sorry Chrome. It was good while it lasted. Except for the bits where you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing.

                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                      Daniel T Barnett
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                      I like and use Firefox, but I do not like the change form bookmarks to library and the extra step[ necessary to get to a full listing. I also use Chrome and Opera for various projects.

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        ...has inexplicably and suddenly become my new browser of choice. Just like that. Sorry Chrome. It was good while it lasted. Except for the bits where you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing.

                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                        grandao
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                        For me it is te opposite, since FF 57, which is using the new multi-thread rendering in rusty, I get lots of crashes due to OOM. I switched to Chrome and the probem has gone. I still prefer the rendering quality of FF (like fonts, gradients, etc) but getting OOM with only 4 tabs is really annoying.

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                        • R raddevus

                          Very interesting on two accounts: 1) I've recently tried the new FireFox and thought it was quite good too. I was able to post articles to CP using it with no addt'l challenges.

                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing

                          1. I keep thinking this is related to PWAs (Progressive Web Apps) and Service Workers. I've been really nervous about them. Sometimes I go to a valid site and suddenly my CPU just starts going crazy. PWA / Service Workers are so new I was trying to figure out how to determine if someone is mining bitcoins on my machine. I found this for Chrome: chrome://serviceworker-internals/ it will display all the service workers and their current state. :thumbsup: Now we need that for firefox. (hint, anyone?, anyone?)
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                          milo xml
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                          raddevus wrote:

                          I found this for Chrome: chrome://serviceworker-internals/

                          Thanks for this!

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                          • C Chris Maunder

                            ...has inexplicably and suddenly become my new browser of choice. Just like that. Sorry Chrome. It was good while it lasted. Except for the bits where you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing.

                            cheers Chris Maunder

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                            VE2
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                            The quantum version is now my default browser simply because its faster

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                            • P PeejayAdams

                              I really like Opera but the inevitable problem is that so many sites only support the "big 3" and therein lies the problem. Microsoft have completely lost the plot with the IE/Edge development path. Chrome used to be great but now just eats memory. Firefox, which also used to be great, is now just bloatware. But because they established the big market shares back in the days when they were better, they're the ones that get supported - it's a Catch 22. A quick glance at [browser market share stats](https://www.netmarketshare.com/browser-market-share.aspx?options={"filter"%3A{"%24and"%3A[{"deviceType"%3A{"%24in"%3A["Desktop%2Flaptop"]}}]}%2C"dateLabel"%3A"Trend"%2C"attributes"%3A"share"%2C"group"%3A"browser"%2C"sort"%3A{"share"%3A-1}%2C"id"%3A"browsersDesktop"%2C"dateInterval"%3A"Monthly"%2C"dateStart"%3A"2016-12"%2C"dateEnd"%3A"2017-11"%2C"segments"%3A"-1000"}) shows how valuable what I would call "legacy popularity" is. It's a similar situation to Android - Android used to be cool, now it gets progressively worse due to the pointless tinkering that comes with every "upgrade" but because it was good for long enough for it to have become the only phone/tab OS in town, it's difficult to see how it will ever get dislodged.

                              98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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                              Dan Neely
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                              PeejayAdams wrote:

                              I really like Opera but the inevitable problem is that so many sites only support the "big 3" and therein lies the problem.

                              It's been years since the last time I ran into something that didn't work in a niche browser (probably not since I stopped using the Presto version of Opera). Since then the only time I've seen a site acknowledging a 3rd party browser is one of my CC companies having an outdated browser version check that's faster on the uptake about new Vivaldi releases than the update notifier in the browser itself. :laugh:

                              Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                It works perfectly. But that's not new, they've had that for a loooong time... :doh:

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                                Andre Pereira
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                                Yeah, they had, except you had 50 step setup, compared to chrome's "sign in once and you're done".

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                                • C Chris Maunder

                                  ...has inexplicably and suddenly become my new browser of choice. Just like that. Sorry Chrome. It was good while it lasted. Except for the bits where you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing.

                                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Same observation. (Runs in the background even when closed ... probably mining bitcoins). Also, trashed Edge. Edge will always (in our case) default to the "last site" (when it crashes); which in the case of a hosed / "end task" web site, means a "deadlock". Couldn't find any reference to changing that default behaviour (before trashing it).

                                  "(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    ...has inexplicably and suddenly become my new browser of choice. Just like that. Sorry Chrome. It was good while it lasted. Except for the bits where you used up all my RAM and then kept crashing.

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    agolddog
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                                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                                    ..has inexplicably and suddenly become my new browser of choice

                                    If true, that doesn't seem inexplicable.

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                                      PeejayAdams wrote:

                                      I really like Opera but the inevitable problem is that so many sites only support the "big 3" and therein lies the problem.

                                      It's been years since the last time I ran into something that didn't work in a niche browser (probably not since I stopped using the Presto version of Opera). Since then the only time I've seen a site acknowledging a 3rd party browser is one of my CC companies having an outdated browser version check that's faster on the uptake about new Vivaldi releases than the update notifier in the browser itself. :laugh:

                                      Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                      PeejayAdams
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                                      It's nowhere near as frequent as it used to be but you still get the odd site where something doesn't work in Opera. There a couple of sites I use that will only play nicely with IE or Chrome. It's a pain because it means Opera is my main browser rather than my only browser as I'd prefer it to be.

                                      98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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                                        It's nowhere near as frequent as it used to be but you still get the odd site where something doesn't work in Opera. There a couple of sites I use that will only play nicely with IE or Chrome. It's a pain because it means Opera is my main browser rather than my only browser as I'd prefer it to be.

                                        98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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                                        Dan Neely
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                                        IYDMA What sites? In several years of using first New Opera and then Vivaldi as my main browser at home I've never encountered a single issue.

                                        Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                          IYDMA What sites? In several years of using first New Opera and then Vivaldi as my main browser at home I've never encountered a single issue.

                                          Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, weighing all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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                                          PeejayAdams
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                                          There are a couple of fairly prominent UK bookmakers' sites that don't behave too well in Opera. Admittedly, these are pretty complex sites with a mix of labyrinthine page routing, multiple live feeds, video streaming and some (hopefully) pretty heavy security wrappers - so there's plenty of scope for things to go wrong with them.

                                          98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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