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  • N Nish Nishant

    - [Output](https://i.imgur.com/qTHucTV.png) Wrote and ran that as a joke, but was stunned to see it fluctuate like that every minute or so. :omg:

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    Nish Nishant wrote:

    but was stunned to see it fluctuate like that every minute or so.

    I imagine that, if you had the $ to pay for access, the microsecond fluctuations of international currency exchanges would make a good random number generator too. However, nothing beats [The Hardest Working Office Design In America Encrypts Your Data–With Lava Lamps](https://www.fastcodesign.com/90137157/the-hardest-working-office-design-in-america-encrypts-your-data-with-lava-lamps).

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      I'd like to see someone beat this algorithm for true randomness. :-D

      class Program
      {
      static void Main(string[] args)
      {
      for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++)
      {
      var random = BitcoinRandom().Result;
      Console.WriteLine(random);
      Thread.Sleep(15 * 1000);
      }
      }

      static async Task<double> BitcoinRandom()
      {
          var client = new HttpClient();
          var response = await client.GetStringAsync("https://api.coindesk.com/v1/bpi/currentprice.json");
          var data = JsonConvert.DeserializeObject<BitcoinInfo>(response);
          return data.Bpi.Usd.RateFloat;
      }
      

      }

      public partial class BitcoinInfo
      {

      \[JsonProperty("bpi")\]
      public Bpi Bpi { get; set; }
      

      }

      public partial class Bpi
      {
      [JsonProperty("USD")]
      public Currency Usd { get; set; }

      }

      public partial class Currency
      {
      [JsonProperty("rate_float")]
      public double RateFloat { get; set; }
      }

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      I prefer the Randall Algorithm[^] myself.

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      • N Nish Nishant

        I'd like to see someone beat this algorithm for true randomness. :-D

        class Program
        {
        static void Main(string[] args)
        {
        for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++)
        {
        var random = BitcoinRandom().Result;
        Console.WriteLine(random);
        Thread.Sleep(15 * 1000);
        }
        }

        static async Task<double> BitcoinRandom()
        {
            var client = new HttpClient();
            var response = await client.GetStringAsync("https://api.coindesk.com/v1/bpi/currentprice.json");
            var data = JsonConvert.DeserializeObject<BitcoinInfo>(response);
            return data.Bpi.Usd.RateFloat;
        }
        

        }

        public partial class BitcoinInfo
        {

        \[JsonProperty("bpi")\]
        public Bpi Bpi { get; set; }
        

        }

        public partial class Bpi
        {
        [JsonProperty("USD")]
        public Currency Usd { get; set; }

        }

        public partial class Currency
        {
        [JsonProperty("rate_float")]
        public double RateFloat { get; set; }
        }

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        Ok, you asked for it :-) It's intended for an 8 bit processor and can be asembled for 8 bit random values or for 16 bit. When i tested it. it had a nice Gaussean bell curve distribution, so the random values are indeed random enough for noncritical applications.

        ; =========================================================================================
        ; Generates a 16 bit or 8 bit (pseudo) random number
        ;
        ; Parameters:
        ; RF 16 bit random return value
        ; RF.0 8 bit random return value
        ;
        ; Internal:
        ; RE Pointer to random state
        ; RD.0 Loop counter
        ; =========================================================================================

        GetRandom: GLO RE ; save registers RE and RD.0 on the stack
        STXD
        GHI RE
        STXD
        GLO RD
        STXD

        				LDI  lo(RandomState)			; load the address of the random state
        				PLO  RE
        				LDI  hi(RandomState)
        				PHI  RE
        
        				IF RandomSize == 16
        				LDI  10H						; set up the loop counter to shift 16 bits
        				PLO  RD
        				ELSE
        				LDI  08H						; set up the loop counter to shift 8 bits
        				PLO  RD
        				ENDIF
        

        GRA_ShiftLoop: GLO RF ; shift the value in RF
        SHL
        PLO RF

        				IF RandomSize == 16
        				GHI  RF							; extend to 16 bits
        				RSHL
        				PHI  RF
        				ENDIF
        
        				LDN  RE							; shift random state
        				SHL
        
        				IF RandomSize == 16
        				STR  RE							; extend to 16 bits
        				INC  RE
        				LDN  RE
        				RSHL
        
        				ENDIF
        
        				BNF GRA\_BitZero
        

        GRA_BitOne: XRI 0A7H ; XOR over the random state
        STR RE

        				IF RandomSize == 16
        				DEC  RE							; extend to 16 bits
        				LDN  RE
        				XRI  03EH
        				STR  RE
        				ENDIF
        
        				GLO  RF							; add the bit to RF
        				ORI  01H
        				PLO  RF
        				LBR  GRA\_TestLoop
        

        GRA_BitZero: XRI 035H ; XOR over the random state
        STR RE

        				IF RandomSize == 16
        				DEC  RE							; extend to 16 bits
        				LDN  RE
        				XRI  07AH
        				STR  RE	
        				ENDIF
        

        GRA_TestLoop: DEC RD ; loop until all bits have been shifted
        GLO RD
        BNZ GRA_ShiftLoop

        				INC  R2							; restore registers RE and RD.0
        				LDXA
        				PLO  RD
        				LDXA
        				PHI  RE
        				LDN  R2
        				PLO  RE
        				SEP  R5
        

        ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

        ; =========================================================================================
        ; Data
        ; =========================================================================================

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          Ok, you asked for it :-) It's intended for an 8 bit processor and can be asembled for 8 bit random values or for 16 bit. When i tested it. it had a nice Gaussean bell curve distribution, so the random values are indeed random enough for noncritical applications.

          ; =========================================================================================
          ; Generates a 16 bit or 8 bit (pseudo) random number
          ;
          ; Parameters:
          ; RF 16 bit random return value
          ; RF.0 8 bit random return value
          ;
          ; Internal:
          ; RE Pointer to random state
          ; RD.0 Loop counter
          ; =========================================================================================

          GetRandom: GLO RE ; save registers RE and RD.0 on the stack
          STXD
          GHI RE
          STXD
          GLO RD
          STXD

          				LDI  lo(RandomState)			; load the address of the random state
          				PLO  RE
          				LDI  hi(RandomState)
          				PHI  RE
          
          				IF RandomSize == 16
          				LDI  10H						; set up the loop counter to shift 16 bits
          				PLO  RD
          				ELSE
          				LDI  08H						; set up the loop counter to shift 8 bits
          				PLO  RD
          				ENDIF
          

          GRA_ShiftLoop: GLO RF ; shift the value in RF
          SHL
          PLO RF

          				IF RandomSize == 16
          				GHI  RF							; extend to 16 bits
          				RSHL
          				PHI  RF
          				ENDIF
          
          				LDN  RE							; shift random state
          				SHL
          
          				IF RandomSize == 16
          				STR  RE							; extend to 16 bits
          				INC  RE
          				LDN  RE
          				RSHL
          
          				ENDIF
          
          				BNF GRA\_BitZero
          

          GRA_BitOne: XRI 0A7H ; XOR over the random state
          STR RE

          				IF RandomSize == 16
          				DEC  RE							; extend to 16 bits
          				LDN  RE
          				XRI  03EH
          				STR  RE
          				ENDIF
          
          				GLO  RF							; add the bit to RF
          				ORI  01H
          				PLO  RF
          				LBR  GRA\_TestLoop
          

          GRA_BitZero: XRI 035H ; XOR over the random state
          STR RE

          				IF RandomSize == 16
          				DEC  RE							; extend to 16 bits
          				LDN  RE
          				XRI  07AH
          				STR  RE	
          				ENDIF
          

          GRA_TestLoop: DEC RD ; loop until all bits have been shifted
          GLO RD
          BNZ GRA_ShiftLoop

          				INC  R2							; restore registers RE and RD.0
          				LDXA
          				PLO  RD
          				LDXA
          				PHI  RE
          				LDN  R2
          				PLO  RE
          				SEP  R5
          

          ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

          ; =========================================================================================
          ; Data
          ; =========================================================================================

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          What processor? I don't recognize "GLO" and "PLO", etc.

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            What processor? I don't recognize "GLO" and "PLO", etc.

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            CDP 1802

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              CDP 1802

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              I have not checked, but it may even work on a CDP1801, and certainly it will also run on a CDP1804. CDP1805 or a CDP1806.

              I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

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                What processor? I don't recognize "GLO" and "PLO", etc.

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                I see you already got a very correct answer. :-) GLO and PLO get the low byte (GLO) or put the low byte of any of the 16 general purpose registers to or from the accumulator. If you can guess the instructions to get or put the high byte of a register, you actually already know 64 of the processor's 255 instructions. Let's increase that to 96 instructions: INC and DEC increment or decrement registers, interesting enough about the only instructions that are 16 bit wide. I think in an hour I would have you writing programs for this processor. There are no fancy addresing modes. Everything is done over the registers. Back then many called the processor weird for that, later it was called RISC.

                I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

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                  CDP 1802

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                  Cool, it even as a SEX instruction. ;)

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                    Ok, you asked for it :-) It's intended for an 8 bit processor and can be asembled for 8 bit random values or for 16 bit. When i tested it. it had a nice Gaussean bell curve distribution, so the random values are indeed random enough for noncritical applications.

                    ; =========================================================================================
                    ; Generates a 16 bit or 8 bit (pseudo) random number
                    ;
                    ; Parameters:
                    ; RF 16 bit random return value
                    ; RF.0 8 bit random return value
                    ;
                    ; Internal:
                    ; RE Pointer to random state
                    ; RD.0 Loop counter
                    ; =========================================================================================

                    GetRandom: GLO RE ; save registers RE and RD.0 on the stack
                    STXD
                    GHI RE
                    STXD
                    GLO RD
                    STXD

                    				LDI  lo(RandomState)			; load the address of the random state
                    				PLO  RE
                    				LDI  hi(RandomState)
                    				PHI  RE
                    
                    				IF RandomSize == 16
                    				LDI  10H						; set up the loop counter to shift 16 bits
                    				PLO  RD
                    				ELSE
                    				LDI  08H						; set up the loop counter to shift 8 bits
                    				PLO  RD
                    				ENDIF
                    

                    GRA_ShiftLoop: GLO RF ; shift the value in RF
                    SHL
                    PLO RF

                    				IF RandomSize == 16
                    				GHI  RF							; extend to 16 bits
                    				RSHL
                    				PHI  RF
                    				ENDIF
                    
                    				LDN  RE							; shift random state
                    				SHL
                    
                    				IF RandomSize == 16
                    				STR  RE							; extend to 16 bits
                    				INC  RE
                    				LDN  RE
                    				RSHL
                    
                    				ENDIF
                    
                    				BNF GRA\_BitZero
                    

                    GRA_BitOne: XRI 0A7H ; XOR over the random state
                    STR RE

                    				IF RandomSize == 16
                    				DEC  RE							; extend to 16 bits
                    				LDN  RE
                    				XRI  03EH
                    				STR  RE
                    				ENDIF
                    
                    				GLO  RF							; add the bit to RF
                    				ORI  01H
                    				PLO  RF
                    				LBR  GRA\_TestLoop
                    

                    GRA_BitZero: XRI 035H ; XOR over the random state
                    STR RE

                    				IF RandomSize == 16
                    				DEC  RE							; extend to 16 bits
                    				LDN  RE
                    				XRI  07AH
                    				STR  RE	
                    				ENDIF
                    

                    GRA_TestLoop: DEC RD ; loop until all bits have been shifted
                    GLO RD
                    BNZ GRA_ShiftLoop

                    				INC  R2							; restore registers RE and RD.0
                    				LDXA
                    				PLO  RD
                    				LDXA
                    				PHI  RE
                    				LDN  R2
                    				PLO  RE
                    				SEP  R5
                    

                    ;------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

                    ; =========================================================================================
                    ; Data
                    ; =========================================================================================

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                    :thumbsup: That's a really nice answer!

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                      Cool, it even as a SEX instruction. ;)

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                      Now you have hit my nose on a potential bug! The X register designates the stack pointer. The SEX instruction sets the value of X and this way makes one of the registers the current stack pointer. Typically this is register 2 and does not change as long as the program runs. At the end of the little routine I restore some registers from values which I saved on the stack at the beginning. The INC R2 and LDN R2 instructions near the end assume that R2 is the stack pointer. If it's not, the registers will not be restored properly and the stack pointe will be corrupted. INC R2 must be replaced by IRX (increment the register designated by the value of X) and LDN R2 must be replaced by LDX (load via the register designated by X). This way the code will work properly, no matter which register is currently the stack pointer. What a dumb mistake, and I bet it will show up in even more places! That's code that has worked for many years, but obviously only because I did not do much juggling with different stack pointers.

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                        Nish Nishant wrote:

                        but was stunned to see it fluctuate like that every minute or so.

                        I imagine that, if you had the $ to pay for access, the microsecond fluctuations of international currency exchanges would make a good random number generator too. However, nothing beats [The Hardest Working Office Design In America Encrypts Your Data–With Lava Lamps](https://www.fastcodesign.com/90137157/the-hardest-working-office-design-in-america-encrypts-your-data-with-lava-lamps).

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                        All of the random number generators based on a commodity's price produce "brown" noise - the price varies in a manner similar to Brownian motion. Any idea how to convert this to "white" noise?

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                          Cool, it even as a SEX instruction. ;)

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                          Maximilien
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                          Is that a synonym for the NOP instruction ?

                          I'd rather be phishing!

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                            Now you have hit my nose on a potential bug! The X register designates the stack pointer. The SEX instruction sets the value of X and this way makes one of the registers the current stack pointer. Typically this is register 2 and does not change as long as the program runs. At the end of the little routine I restore some registers from values which I saved on the stack at the beginning. The INC R2 and LDN R2 instructions near the end assume that R2 is the stack pointer. If it's not, the registers will not be restored properly and the stack pointe will be corrupted. INC R2 must be replaced by IRX (increment the register designated by the value of X) and LDN R2 must be replaced by LDX (load via the register designated by X). This way the code will work properly, no matter which register is currently the stack pointer. What a dumb mistake, and I bet it will show up in even more places! That's code that has worked for many years, but obviously only because I did not do much juggling with different stack pointers.

                            I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats.

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                            CodeWraith wrote:

                            Now you have hit my nose on a potential bug!

                            Crazy, the way things work sometimes. I make a flippant remark, and you find a bug! Just last week I was having a conversation with someone that resulted in solving a design flaw that I've been noodling on for a couple years!

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                              Is that a synonym for the NOP instruction ?

                              I'd rather be phishing!

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                              Nope. With this instruction you can make any of the 16 registers the current stack pointer. It's short for SET X because the X register determines which register is used as the stack pointer. But sure, that mnemonic is not an accident.

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                                Nish Nishant wrote:

                                but was stunned to see it fluctuate like that every minute or so.

                                I imagine that, if you had the $ to pay for access, the microsecond fluctuations of international currency exchanges would make a good random number generator too. However, nothing beats [The Hardest Working Office Design In America Encrypts Your Data–With Lava Lamps](https://www.fastcodesign.com/90137157/the-hardest-working-office-design-in-america-encrypts-your-data-with-lava-lamps).

                                Latest Article - Class-less Coding - Minimalist C# and Why F# and Function Programming Has Some Advantages Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802

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                                There are some things I learn about and I am just amazed.

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                                • N Nish Nishant

                                  I'd like to see someone beat this algorithm for true randomness. :-D

                                  class Program
                                  {
                                  static void Main(string[] args)
                                  {
                                  for (int i = 0; i < 10; i++)
                                  {
                                  var random = BitcoinRandom().Result;
                                  Console.WriteLine(random);
                                  Thread.Sleep(15 * 1000);
                                  }
                                  }

                                  static async Task<double> BitcoinRandom()
                                  {
                                      var client = new HttpClient();
                                      var response = await client.GetStringAsync("https://api.coindesk.com/v1/bpi/currentprice.json");
                                      var data = JsonConvert.DeserializeObject<BitcoinInfo>(response);
                                      return data.Bpi.Usd.RateFloat;
                                  }
                                  

                                  }

                                  public partial class BitcoinInfo
                                  {

                                  \[JsonProperty("bpi")\]
                                  public Bpi Bpi { get; set; }
                                  

                                  }

                                  public partial class Bpi
                                  {
                                  [JsonProperty("USD")]
                                  public Currency Usd { get; set; }

                                  }

                                  public partial class Currency
                                  {
                                  [JsonProperty("rate_float")]
                                  public double RateFloat { get; set; }
                                  }

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                                  Miss your no-longer-annual 12 Days of Christmas post.

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                                    Miss your no-longer-annual 12 Days of Christmas post.

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                                    You know what? I actually thought of posting it the week after thanksgiving as I usually do, but with the new crowd here, I was not sure how it'd go. Most people would have just not gotten it :-)

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                                      You know what? I actually thought of posting it the week after thanksgiving as I usually do, but with the new crowd here, I was not sure how it'd go. Most people would have just not gotten it :-)

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                                      Not if you add all the previous links to it. I miss the Lotus in particular.

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                                      • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                                        Not if you add all the previous links to it. I miss the Lotus in particular.

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