US Work Atmosphere Getting Eerily Scary with Trump Policies
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Deepak Vasudevan wrote:
I think Trump should have more sympathetic view
But isn't that a one sided view? How do you think the actual citizens of this country would feel by having more jobs?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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011111100010 wrote:
How do you think the actual citizens of this country would feel by having more jobs?
Or the other view. How would the government of India react if 100's of thousands of lucrative jobs in India were given to foreigners?
Exactly. One possible good outcome if this actually were to happen is to have lots of qualified individuals go back to India and build companies there. It could be a great thing for their economy.
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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I think Trump should have more sympathetic view and reconsideration of his immigration policies rather than just going towards strengthening his vote bank politics. Donald Trump's H-1B changes could end up deporting 500,000 Indian techies | Business Standard News[^]
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I think Trump should have more sympathetic view and reconsideration of his immigration policies rather than just going towards strengthening his vote bank politics. Donald Trump's H-1B changes could end up deporting 500,000 Indian techies | Business Standard News[^]
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I think Trump should have more sympathetic view and reconsideration of his immigration policies rather than just going towards strengthening his vote bank politics. Donald Trump's H-1B changes could end up deporting 500,000 Indian techies | Business Standard News[^]
No.Sympathy.At.All. EDIT ================ I've been the victim of "out-sourcing" twice. The 2nd time, they told me "as a courtesy" that I would be let go in two weeks, but they wanted me to train my Indian replacement (via teleconference) before leaving the company. Yeah. Good luck with that. If my employer has no loyalty, I'm happy to return the favor.
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No.Sympathy.At.All. EDIT ================ I've been the victim of "out-sourcing" twice. The 2nd time, they told me "as a courtesy" that I would be let go in two weeks, but they wanted me to train my Indian replacement (via teleconference) before leaving the company. Yeah. Good luck with that. If my employer has no loyalty, I'm happy to return the favor.
Is it not better to onshore the tax revenue than offshore the labour for the US as a whole, regardless of the impact on US native IT workers wages? Does the US even HAVE enough native IT workers to fill the roles?
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No.Sympathy.At.All. EDIT ================ I've been the victim of "out-sourcing" twice. The 2nd time, they told me "as a courtesy" that I would be let go in two weeks, but they wanted me to train my Indian replacement (via teleconference) before leaving the company. Yeah. Good luck with that. If my employer has no loyalty, I'm happy to return the favor.
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Is it not better to onshore the tax revenue than offshore the labour for the US as a whole, regardless of the impact on US native IT workers wages? Does the US even HAVE enough native IT workers to fill the roles?
From everything we have been told, yes! We have the workers already trained. I'm not sure if that is actually true or not, but we supposedly have them. The problem lies in the fact that said native workers don't (or won't) work for the amount that companies want to pay them. I know where I'm now, there are H1-Bs making 50% or less* than I am for a similar position. *That is take home, their actual pay is the same or in some cases more. It's their contracting company which takes so much off the top. I know a couple that their company takes more than they pay the person. Then the same company that acts like they are doing the person a favor by paying for plane tickets for relatives to visit from overseas, etc.
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From everything we have been told, yes! We have the workers already trained. I'm not sure if that is actually true or not, but we supposedly have them. The problem lies in the fact that said native workers don't (or won't) work for the amount that companies want to pay them. I know where I'm now, there are H1-Bs making 50% or less* than I am for a similar position. *That is take home, their actual pay is the same or in some cases more. It's their contracting company which takes so much off the top. I know a couple that their company takes more than they pay the person. Then the same company that acts like they are doing the person a favor by paying for plane tickets for relatives to visit from overseas, etc.
Contractors normally get a much higher rate than permies. Perhaps they operate more like an umbrella company.
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From everything we have been told, yes! We have the workers already trained. I'm not sure if that is actually true or not, but we supposedly have them. The problem lies in the fact that said native workers don't (or won't) work for the amount that companies want to pay them. I know where I'm now, there are H1-Bs making 50% or less* than I am for a similar position. *That is take home, their actual pay is the same or in some cases more. It's their contracting company which takes so much off the top. I know a couple that their company takes more than they pay the person. Then the same company that acts like they are doing the person a favor by paying for plane tickets for relatives to visit from overseas, etc.
I have said this here before. I personally know and work with on a daily basis hiring managers in big name companies that have 'unofficial' H1-B quotas that they must meet, strictly for budgetary reasons. H1-B is so badly abused in the US that it either needs to be abandoned entirely or fixed in such a way that an employer can not hold an employee hostage via sponsorship.
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Contractors normally get a much higher rate than permies. Perhaps they operate more like an umbrella company.
Didn't clarify. All in question, including myself, are contractors. I'm just not an H1B. Some contracting companies take more off the top than others. I know my rate and how much my company takes. Others just know how much their company tells them they make.
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I think Trump should have more sympathetic view and reconsideration of his immigration policies rather than just going towards strengthening his vote bank politics. Donald Trump's H-1B changes could end up deporting 500,000 Indian techies | Business Standard News[^]
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I think Trump should have more sympathetic view and reconsideration of his immigration policies rather than just going towards strengthening his vote bank politics. Donald Trump's H-1B changes could end up deporting 500,000 Indian techies | Business Standard News[^]
If you open a dictionary and look for "hypocrisy", you will see a picture of Donald Trump.
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Deepak Vasudevan wrote:
I think Trump should have more sympathetic view
But isn't that a one sided view? How do you think the actual citizens of this country would feel by having more jobs?
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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From everything we have been told, yes! We have the workers already trained. I'm not sure if that is actually true or not, but we supposedly have them. The problem lies in the fact that said native workers don't (or won't) work for the amount that companies want to pay them. I know where I'm now, there are H1-Bs making 50% or less* than I am for a similar position. *That is take home, their actual pay is the same or in some cases more. It's their contracting company which takes so much off the top. I know a couple that their company takes more than they pay the person. Then the same company that acts like they are doing the person a favor by paying for plane tickets for relatives to visit from overseas, etc.
RJOberg wrote:
From everything we have been told, yes! We have the workers already trained. I'm not sure if that is actually true or not, but we supposedly have them.
Absolutely nothing I have seen for probably at least 15 years would suggest that is true.
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011111100010 wrote:
How do you think the actual citizens of this country would feel by having more jobs?
WITH those current H1B visas the US is still short of technology workers. So that by itself is not logical.
jschell wrote:
So that by itself is not logical.
Logically, logic just went away a while ago :rolleyes:
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.