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  • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

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    ZurdoDev
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    I think you made the joke on you, actually. ;)

    There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?

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      Lost User
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      I block pop-ups in Edge plus I use a hosts file. That is plenty good for me. I don't feel obligated to subject myself to on-line ads. When I buy a newspaper I don't read the ads. Same basic principle applies to online ads.

      Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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        MikeD 2 wrote:

        Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them?

        No, the contract is between the advertiser and the broadcaster. The broadcaster is obliged to play them but I am not obliged to endure them.

        98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.

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        ZurdoDev
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        PeejayAdams wrote:

        but I am not obliged to endure them.

        Why not? Isn't the owner of the site stating that if you want to use my site you need to watch ads? It's an implicit contract?

        There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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        • F Foothill

          I wish that the HTML document specification remained simple enough to display web pages in a console. Alas, that is not the case. It seems like everything, including the kitchen sink, has been thrown into web pages.

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          Richard Deeming
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          Foothill wrote:

          everything, including the kitchen sink, has been thrown into web pages.

          Well, we needed somewhere to wash up status code 418[^]. :-D


          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

          "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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          • F Foothill

            If you're a business and your only source of revenue is advertisements then you're business plan is horrible and your business is more likely to fail. There is a reason that successful businesses do not rely on one source of income.

            if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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            ZurdoDev
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            Foothill wrote:

            If you're a business and your only source of revenue is advertisements

            Well, there was this one company, named google. :laugh:

            There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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            • Z ZurdoDev

              Eddy Vluggen wrote:

              it is consuminig brain-capacity t

              Ah, I think we found the issue. Just ignore them. :-\ When ads come in the mail, I throw them away. No brain power required. :-D

              There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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              Lost User
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              I do not even get ads in the mail. There's a sticker on the door saying no; useless waste of money, dead trees and ink. The idea of ads is that they work even if you ignore them; that's why so much money is spent on it. Repeated messages (the shorter, the better) tend to stick well in our brain. It's a waste on a massive scale.

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                I block pop-ups in Edge plus I use a hosts file. That is plenty good for me. I don't feel obligated to subject myself to on-line ads. When I buy a newspaper I don't read the ads. Same basic principle applies to online ads.

                Get me coffee and no one gets hurt!

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                ZurdoDev
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                Cornelius Henning wrote:

                Same basic principle applies to online ads.

                True. But you can't buy the newspaper without the ads. You choose to not look at them. You don't actually block them.

                There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                  I do not even get ads in the mail. There's a sticker on the door saying no; useless waste of money, dead trees and ink. The idea of ads is that they work even if you ignore them; that's why so much money is spent on it. Repeated messages (the shorter, the better) tend to stick well in our brain. It's a waste on a massive scale.

                  Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                  ZurdoDev
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                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                  It's a waste on a massive scale.

                  Agreed.

                  There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                  • L Lost User

                    Agreed, but that is a totally different issue.

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                    Foothill
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                    I know. When you're starting off, ads may be your only source of revenue. If websites didn't take such a lazy approach to ad curation, e.g. Google AdSense, and strategically place ads relevant to their audience, I would assume that Ad-Blocking wouldn't really be a thing. One of the things that really pushed me over to the block-by-default crowd started with weather websites that put an ad before every video, which for fluff pieces is acceptable, but when your searching for time-critical updates on a tornado encroaching on your area, a minute long advert on the latest pill or drug is very irritating (and possibly life-threatening).

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                      Cornelius Henning wrote:

                      Same basic principle applies to online ads.

                      True. But you can't buy the newspaper without the ads. You choose to not look at them. You don't actually block them.

                      There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                      Richard Deeming
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                      So would you be OK with an ad-blocking solution that downloaded the ads, but didn't run the code or display them?


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                      • M MikeD 2

                        how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?

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                        den2k88
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                        Anyone has the right to filter what is not wanted on the screen. If they didn't have that right then family protection filters and company firewalls would be illegal.

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                        • Z ZurdoDev

                          Cornelius Henning wrote:

                          Same basic principle applies to online ads.

                          True. But you can't buy the newspaper without the ads. You choose to not look at them. You don't actually block them.

                          There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                          You could have someone else cut out pieces of blank paper and paste them over the ads. If the medium is digital you might as well automate that task..

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                            Foothill wrote:

                            If you're a business and your only source of revenue is advertisements

                            Well, there was this one company, named google. :laugh:

                            There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                            Google isn't in the advertising business, they are in the real-estate business. It just happens that the real-estate they sell is space on a very popular web-page. They do not make the ads, they sell the spot they go on which is much more lucrative.

                            if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                            • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                              So would you be OK with an ad-blocking solution that downloaded the ads, but didn't run the code or display them?


                              "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                              ZurdoDev
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                              I wouldn't use it. But I'm OK with you doing whatever you want.

                              There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                You could have someone else cut out pieces of blank paper and paste them over the ads. If the medium is digital you might as well automate that task..

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                                ZurdoDev
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                                harold aptroot wrote:

                                If the medium is digital you might as well automate that task..

                                It's that mentality that makes people think everything on the internet should be free. That would be nice wouldn't it? :-\

                                There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                • F Foothill

                                  Google isn't in the advertising business, they are in the real-estate business. It just happens that the real-estate they sell is space on a very popular web-page. They do not make the ads, they sell the spot they go on which is much more lucrative.

                                  if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                                  Foothill wrote:

                                  Google isn't in the advertising business,

                                  :omg:

                                  Foothill wrote:

                                  They do not make the ads, they sell the spot they go on which is much more lucrative.

                                  Exactly!

                                  There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                                    MikeD 2 wrote:

                                    Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them?

                                    No, totally disagree, in a "would go to war to stop it from happening"-way. Companies being able to arbitrarily force people to do what they want is some ridiculous dystopian scenario that completely dehumanizes people into livestock. Anyone who feels like a person instead of an animal should vehemently oppose this. Hiding content behind an adblock detector is fair game though, naturally I can't force them to do anything either. I generally leave those sites though.

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                                    den2k88
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                                    I read the first paragraph and clicked on the upvote. I read the second and clicked on the upvote. The system will count only one but consider mine double.

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                                    • Richard DeemingR Richard Deeming

                                      Foothill wrote:

                                      everything, including the kitchen sink, has been thrown into web pages.

                                      Well, we needed somewhere to wash up status code 418[^]. :-D


                                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                      Foothill
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                                      With the IoT, I wouldn't be surprised if we see an extension to that joke such as: 419 I'm a refrigerator 432 I'm a light-bulb 455 I'm a vacuum cleaner etc....

                                      if (Object.DividedByZero == true) { Universe.Implode(); } Meus ratio ex fortis machina. Simplicitatis de formae ac munus. -Foothill, 2016

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                                      • M MikeD 2

                                        how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?

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                                        PIEBALDconsult
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                                        Nah, I'm just too lazy and those are not worth my trouble. Nothing on the Web is that important.

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                                        • M MikeD 2

                                          how many of you block ads? I am increasingly finding that access to links from the Daily News are denied and the content replaced by "you are using an adblocker". My reaction generally is to leave and not bother with the info so it feels like shooting themselves in the foot I am actually not using an adblocker but just have an extensive hosts file. Primarily to try and protect from sites that I don't want to end up at even accidentally Do you agree that if people buy ads that they have a right to make you see them? and if you do, how many of you skip the ads on your video recorder?

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                                          KarstenK
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                                          it is self defense because the ads are slowing down, are annyoing and sometimes hinder visiting the website. I only deactivate adblocking on some interesting sites or if really necessary (so some sites I dont visit anymore)

                                          Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany

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