What do you think about blocking embedded cryptocurrency miners?
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kmoorevs wrote:
goal is to steal, extort, or install something without notification
What miners do? They don't steal, extort and install anything? Same with trackers. Adware is malware as well, even though ad-ablocking-is-stealing-dude refuses to acknowledge this ;P btw. I'm not advocating that we should't block miners and malware, but that ads are in the same category, a category that is subject to user's will and judgment to let them run on his system.
kmoorevs wrote:
website has done it's job and sent the ad.
As I explained previously, ad blockers filter HTTP requests from browser that are sent to server to serve ads. [Example](https://i.imgur.com/xYkEVDF.png)
Mladen Janković wrote:
What miners do?
What do I get if my processor is hijacked to perform cryptocurrency algorithms? Do they mail me a check? What I get is a warmer processor/office and higher electric bill. If this is done without my knowledge and approval, it amounts to stealing.
Mladen Janković wrote:
ad blockers filter HTTP requests from browser that are sent to server to serve ads.
I learn something new everyday! Thanks! :) So, being totally honest here, I can speak about this website (CP) that I spend probably too much time at. I have been a member here for about 10 years and have clicked on only one ad that I found relevant at the time. If click-throughs are a website's major revenue source, then I have been a bad member. :( Over time, I've become blind to them! That said, if CP and the hamsters ever started a 'save us' campaign, I would happily contribute. :laugh: ( :doh: oh crap, what have I started!) :laugh:
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Mladen Janković wrote:
What miners do?
What do I get if my processor is hijacked to perform cryptocurrency algorithms? Do they mail me a check? What I get is a warmer processor/office and higher electric bill. If this is done without my knowledge and approval, it amounts to stealing.
Mladen Janković wrote:
ad blockers filter HTTP requests from browser that are sent to server to serve ads.
I learn something new everyday! Thanks! :) So, being totally honest here, I can speak about this website (CP) that I spend probably too much time at. I have been a member here for about 10 years and have clicked on only one ad that I found relevant at the time. If click-throughs are a website's major revenue source, then I have been a bad member. :( Over time, I've become blind to them! That said, if CP and the hamsters ever started a 'save us' campaign, I would happily contribute. :laugh: ( :doh: oh crap, what have I started!) :laugh:
"Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse
kmoorevs wrote:
What do I get if my processor is hijacked to perform cryptocurrency algorithms?
What do I get from ads? I get higher internet bill on my metered connections*, less privacy and less security (and more CPU time wasted, knowing how the code for these ads is written). So you're not arguing the principle here. Proponents of #BlockingIsStealing would argue that you get the content. They are vocal when it comes to ads, but strangely silent on subject of CC miners, even though those are not different in principle. \* \- as you saw in the screenshot: 7% of request are blocked since installation. This does not include cosmetically blocked ads and it's percent after most of JavaScript code has already been blocked by NoScript, so I would say real number is greater than 10% or requests.
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Perhaps you have a small mailbox. :-\
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Yes, it could be a case of mailbox envy... But I don't think that is relevant to the OP's question...
Will Rogers never met me.
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Lol :laugh: Malware, short for malicious software, is an umbrella term used to refer to a variety of forms of harmful or intrusive software,[1] including computer viruses, worms, Trojan horses, ransomware, spyware, adware, scareware, and other malicious programs. You're trying really hard to avoid defending your position.
Mladen Janković wrote:
You're trying really hard to avoid defending your position.
Quite humourous, actually. Much like the entire Democratic party in the US. Hit them with facts, they respond with personal character attacks that have nothing to do with the issue. You can't win this one, Mladen - don't waste your time feeding trolls, unless you really enjoy it. But if you do, feed them with gusto, and have fun with it. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
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"When choosing between two evils, I always like to try the one I've never tried before." Mae West
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
To paraphrase, "When choosing between two evils, I prefer to try the one that's most likely to feel good."
Will Rogers never met me.
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And not blocking ads is stealing my concentration and time. Should I sue? If you don't use an ad blocker, at least with ads, they are visible. How many websites tell you "this website contains an embedded miner, would you like to proceed with having someone else make some profit while you're visiting our website?" Even worse, according to fhwa.dot.gov: > it requires the Federal Highway Administration to ensure that the State transportation departments maintain "effective control of the erection and maintenance" of signs, displays, or devices... So yet again, I'm actually paying for ads through my tax dollars. As an aside, given the text in the quotes (no, I really didn't make that up, it's actually on [their website](https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/interstate/faq.cfm#question33)) one could have a field day with that. The thing I don't understand is when people say it's stealing, or even here on CP, that ads help pay for the site. My understanding is that ad blockers remove the ad after it's been downloaded from the server, so exactly how is costing the website money? The ad is downloaded, what happens on the client side, whether I use an ad blocker or masking tape, shouldn't affect the website's revenue, right? If revenue is generated only when clicking on an ad, well, sorry folks, but being of at least some intelligence, I never click on an ad. So, where's the "theft"?
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Marc Clifton wrote:
it requires the Federal Highway Administration to ensure that the State transportation departments maintain "effective control of the erection
I had no idea that ADOT was in control of my erections. Should I complain about being shortchanged?
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Mladen Janković wrote:
You're trying really hard to avoid defending your position.
Quite humourous, actually. Much like the entire Democratic party in the US. Hit them with facts, they respond with personal character attacks that have nothing to do with the issue. You can't win this one, Mladen - don't waste your time feeding trolls, unless you really enjoy it. But if you do, feed them with gusto, and have fun with it. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
I don't know if he's trolling or he's uncomfortable with logical conclusion of his argument :)
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Since blocking ads is stealing according to some, why blocking miners is any different, or even blocking malware? I mean webmaster implied that cost of viewing the site is your privacy, I you don't like it, don't wa... oh wait, they already got your data! I block: - all scripts (only few domains white-listed) - all cookies (only few domains white-listed) - ads - all referral info Should I block anything else?
In my opinion, we should default to block all ads, miners, etc.. and only opt-in if it's meaningful to us. If sites go offline/broke.. so be it. In my experience, sites that don't thrive on ad revenue, for whatever reason, put out much higher quality content and are curated to a much higher degree. Quality is used attract people and generate profit. Sites that run on ad revenue are in the business of wasting my time for money. Money is far less valuable to me than time, so I hate those sites with a zealous passion.
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In my opinion, we should default to block all ads, miners, etc.. and only opt-in if it's meaningful to us. If sites go offline/broke.. so be it. In my experience, sites that don't thrive on ad revenue, for whatever reason, put out much higher quality content and are curated to a much higher degree. Quality is used attract people and generate profit. Sites that run on ad revenue are in the business of wasting my time for money. Money is far less valuable to me than time, so I hate those sites with a zealous passion.
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PIEBALDconsult wrote:
But can you see how they're similar?
Only that you don't want either of them. I receive junk mail but receiving anthrax in my junk mail is quite different. :laugh:
There are two kinds of people in the world: those who can extrapolate from incomplete data. There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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