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  • M Munchies_Matt

    That's it, I finally admitted I am fat. There isn't any point pretending, I am gross. So, time to do something about it: Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb. Also taking apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons before a meal, and at night. Unpasteurised. Apparently it has good bacteria in it. Started a few days ago and losing half a kilo a day: 121.3 121 120.5 120 119.5 It works. Really. My target is 100 kgs, I weighed that when I was ~30. I cold hit this by the end of March at this rate! Ideal, want to go skiing, and NOT lugging 20kgs around is going to make me ski great! :) One note, I was very tired for two days on zero carbs, so I had a rye bread cheese fondue. About 1000 calories in total. Feel much better. And I am allowing myself red wine, say three glasses or so a night.

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    Maximilien
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    First and foremost: Ask a bunch of nerds on a programming forum!!! That'll go well. ;P seriously, Go see a dietitian or a nutritionist. spend a few bucks getting a good nutrition plan based on your lifestyle and need and goal.

    I'd rather be phishing!

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      Munchies_Matt wrote:

      There isn't any point pretending, I am gross. So, time to do something about it

      There's nothing gross about it, and 120 kg is enough to work as a bouncer. I'm underweight, so trying to do your opposite.

      Munchies_Matt wrote:

      Also taking apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons before a meal, and at night. Unpasteurised. Apparently it has good bacteria in it.

      Yes, because it is fermented. Stuff like sauerkraut (on bread with a wurst, or "hotdog"), kefir (fermented milk, yoghurt like), kombucha (fermented tea), and any pickles contain similar bacteria. If you pasteurize any of those (or heat it in general), then some of the good bacteria in it will die. The sauerkraut has the added benefit of providing lots of fibers.

      Munchies_Matt wrote:

      Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI

      So no more take-out Chinese or pizza? I do hope you have at least one cheat-day per month?

      Munchies_Matt wrote:

      And I am allowing myself red wine, say three glasses or so a night.

      Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories (Source[^]) Best wishes, hope you achieve your goal :)

      Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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      Jorgen Andersson
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      You forgot the beer. :)

      Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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      • J Jorgen Andersson

        You forgot the beer. :)

        Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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        A single yeast-culture is a bit different from the probiotics-culture in sauerkraut :)

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        • M Maximilien

          First and foremost: Ask a bunch of nerds on a programming forum!!! That'll go well. ;P seriously, Go see a dietitian or a nutritionist. spend a few bucks getting a good nutrition plan based on your lifestyle and need and goal.

          I'd rather be phishing!

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          Maximilien wrote:

          Go see a dietitian or a nutritionist.

          ..and pay a lot for the latest official guidelines and nonsense. You can keep your two liters of water per day :)

          Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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          • M Munchies_Matt

            That's it, I finally admitted I am fat. There isn't any point pretending, I am gross. So, time to do something about it: Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb. Also taking apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons before a meal, and at night. Unpasteurised. Apparently it has good bacteria in it. Started a few days ago and losing half a kilo a day: 121.3 121 120.5 120 119.5 It works. Really. My target is 100 kgs, I weighed that when I was ~30. I cold hit this by the end of March at this rate! Ideal, want to go skiing, and NOT lugging 20kgs around is going to make me ski great! :) One note, I was very tired for two days on zero carbs, so I had a rye bread cheese fondue. About 1000 calories in total. Feel much better. And I am allowing myself red wine, say three glasses or so a night.

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            F ES Sitecore
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            You're going to fail in the long term because you've bought into the fitness-industry-myths. No industry works to put itself out of business, if what the fitness industry told you about weight loss worked then they'd be doing just that, so everything they tell you is a lie. Lies you (and from the replies, every other person on this thread) believe, so you are, I'm afraid, doomed to fail. Think about it...if losing weight or maintaining a healthy weight was such a complex balance of what you eat and chemical interactions then why aren't the intelligent nations healthy and the stupid nations fat? Why do you only get an obesity crisis in countries where manual labour is rare and food is in abundance?

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              You're going to fail in the long term because you've bought into the fitness-industry-myths. No industry works to put itself out of business, if what the fitness industry told you about weight loss worked then they'd be doing just that, so everything they tell you is a lie. Lies you (and from the replies, every other person on this thread) believe, so you are, I'm afraid, doomed to fail. Think about it...if losing weight or maintaining a healthy weight was such a complex balance of what you eat and chemical interactions then why aren't the intelligent nations healthy and the stupid nations fat? Why do you only get an obesity crisis in countries where manual labour is rare and food is in abundance?

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              Jorgen Andersson
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              :doh: Because we like good food, and can afford it. :rolleyes:

              Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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              • M Munchies_Matt

                That's it, I finally admitted I am fat. There isn't any point pretending, I am gross. So, time to do something about it: Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb. Also taking apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons before a meal, and at night. Unpasteurised. Apparently it has good bacteria in it. Started a few days ago and losing half a kilo a day: 121.3 121 120.5 120 119.5 It works. Really. My target is 100 kgs, I weighed that when I was ~30. I cold hit this by the end of March at this rate! Ideal, want to go skiing, and NOT lugging 20kgs around is going to make me ski great! :) One note, I was very tired for two days on zero carbs, so I had a rye bread cheese fondue. About 1000 calories in total. Feel much better. And I am allowing myself red wine, say three glasses or so a night.

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                Ron Anders
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                I got up to 189 lbs and saw my dad ( who at one time must have hit 250+) coming in the mirror, so I went low carb. Yippy down to 160. It just melted off. When you starve you body of carbs I has no choice but to convert that fat into energy. I found out that is was carbs I really liked all along. :-D

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                • B Bassam Abdul Baki

                  Really? I say looz wayt.

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                  Munchies_Matt
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                  I like spelling 'learned' as 'learnt', the way it is pronounced. it is a valid spelling still though not common. English is basically a mess though, I think we should just spell stuff how we like, it always was that way. :)

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                  • J Jorgen Andersson

                    Munchies_Matt wrote:

                    One benefit of apple cider vinegar is helping to normalise blood sugar,

                    Never heard of that, why would it do that?

                    Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello

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                    Munchies_Matt
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                    Apparently it slows the passage of food out of the stomach, so it doesnt hit the small intestine so fast, and give the sugar spike, so even if you eat carbs, ACV means a lower spike.

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                    • S snorkie

                      Congrats Matt on making a change! I hope you find the willpower to reach all of your goals. The struggle is real!

                      Hogan

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                      Munchies_Matt
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                      Thanks! :)

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                      • L Lost User

                        Munchies_Matt wrote:

                        There isn't any point pretending, I am gross. So, time to do something about it

                        There's nothing gross about it, and 120 kg is enough to work as a bouncer. I'm underweight, so trying to do your opposite.

                        Munchies_Matt wrote:

                        Also taking apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons before a meal, and at night. Unpasteurised. Apparently it has good bacteria in it.

                        Yes, because it is fermented. Stuff like sauerkraut (on bread with a wurst, or "hotdog"), kefir (fermented milk, yoghurt like), kombucha (fermented tea), and any pickles contain similar bacteria. If you pasteurize any of those (or heat it in general), then some of the good bacteria in it will die. The sauerkraut has the added benefit of providing lots of fibers.

                        Munchies_Matt wrote:

                        Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI

                        So no more take-out Chinese or pizza? I do hope you have at least one cheat-day per month?

                        Munchies_Matt wrote:

                        And I am allowing myself red wine, say three glasses or so a night.

                        Fat: 1 gram = 9 calories Protein: 1 gram = 4 calories Carbohydrates: 1 gram = 4 calories Alcohol: 1 gram = 7 calories (Source[^]) Best wishes, hope you achieve your goal :)

                        Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                        Munchies_Matt
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                        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                        120 kg is enough to work as a bouncer

                        I am 6 ft 4 (195 cm) and pretty hefty, I have a 120cm chest measurement for example, but also fat. A gut. And it disgusts me. :( Yeah, kimchi too, any fermented stuff (except beer and wine) has good bacteria. And yeah, no takeaway. I dont like takeaway anyway, I can cook way better at home, better than most restaurants, easilly. Thats part of the reason I got so big, I love food, I love cooking, and I love wine.

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                        • M Maximilien

                          First and foremost: Ask a bunch of nerds on a programming forum!!! That'll go well. ;P seriously, Go see a dietitian or a nutritionist. spend a few bucks getting a good nutrition plan based on your lifestyle and need and goal.

                          I'd rather be phishing!

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                          Munchies_Matt
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                          Aint asking, just telling. :)

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                          • F F ES Sitecore

                            You're going to fail in the long term because you've bought into the fitness-industry-myths. No industry works to put itself out of business, if what the fitness industry told you about weight loss worked then they'd be doing just that, so everything they tell you is a lie. Lies you (and from the replies, every other person on this thread) believe, so you are, I'm afraid, doomed to fail. Think about it...if losing weight or maintaining a healthy weight was such a complex balance of what you eat and chemical interactions then why aren't the intelligent nations healthy and the stupid nations fat? Why do you only get an obesity crisis in countries where manual labour is rare and food is in abundance?

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                            Munchies_Matt
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                            F-ES Sitecore wrote:

                            You're going to fail in the long term because you've bought into the fitness-industry-myths

                            But I am not doing any 'fitness' so I cant have.

                            F-ES Sitecore wrote:

                            doomed to fail.

                            I am dropping half a kilo a day. It works. It works for others, and it will work for me (In fact I have got down to 109 before doing the same diet) so you are wrong.

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                              I got up to 189 lbs and saw my dad ( who at one time must have hit 250+) coming in the mirror, so I went low carb. Yippy down to 160. It just melted off. When you starve you body of carbs I has no choice but to convert that fat into energy. I found out that is was carbs I really liked all along. :-D

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                              Munchies_Matt
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                              Yep. It works. Plain as that.

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                              • M Munchies_Matt

                                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                                120 kg is enough to work as a bouncer

                                I am 6 ft 4 (195 cm) and pretty hefty, I have a 120cm chest measurement for example, but also fat. A gut. And it disgusts me. :( Yeah, kimchi too, any fermented stuff (except beer and wine) has good bacteria. And yeah, no takeaway. I dont like takeaway anyway, I can cook way better at home, better than most restaurants, easilly. Thats part of the reason I got so big, I love food, I love cooking, and I love wine.

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                                Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                it disgusts me. :(

                                Any motivation will do :) And after a bit time you'll get new rewards to keep you motivated - like having to buy lots new pants :D --edit

                                Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                I dont like takeaway anyway, I can cook way better at home, better than most restaurants, easilly.

                                Never trust a skinny cook! But indeed, not very helpfull if you can cook great.

                                Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]

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                                • M Munchies_Matt

                                  F-ES Sitecore wrote:

                                  You're going to fail in the long term because you've bought into the fitness-industry-myths

                                  But I am not doing any 'fitness' so I cant have.

                                  F-ES Sitecore wrote:

                                  doomed to fail.

                                  I am dropping half a kilo a day. It works. It works for others, and it will work for me (In fact I have got down to 109 before doing the same diet) so you are wrong.

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                                  Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                  But I am not doing any 'fitness' so I cant have.

                                  "Fitness industry" meaning the "health and fitness industry" so not just exercise but diet too.

                                  Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                  I am dropping half a kilo a day. It works.

                                  Probably not for the reasons you think though, and I said you'd fail in the long-term. When your weight loss stops, and even returns, you'll turn to the same sources to get a different set of lies and you'll then think "ah, so *this* is the right way to do it", and when that ultimately fails you'll repeat the process. Why do you think so many "new" diets come out and why the advice changes on a weekly basis? To fool you into thinking something new or different has been discovered, to fool you into thinking the fault was the fault of the last process you followed but *this one* will be better. You will continue on that treadmill endlessly, always repeating your mistakes. 1) Eat less 2) Move more 3) Win "Hey look, I've stopped going to Dominos and Burger King and I've lost some weight...the only possible explanation for that is because I'm eating fewer carbs".

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                                    Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                    But I am not doing any 'fitness' so I cant have.

                                    "Fitness industry" meaning the "health and fitness industry" so not just exercise but diet too.

                                    Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                    I am dropping half a kilo a day. It works.

                                    Probably not for the reasons you think though, and I said you'd fail in the long-term. When your weight loss stops, and even returns, you'll turn to the same sources to get a different set of lies and you'll then think "ah, so *this* is the right way to do it", and when that ultimately fails you'll repeat the process. Why do you think so many "new" diets come out and why the advice changes on a weekly basis? To fool you into thinking something new or different has been discovered, to fool you into thinking the fault was the fault of the last process you followed but *this one* will be better. You will continue on that treadmill endlessly, always repeating your mistakes. 1) Eat less 2) Move more 3) Win "Hey look, I've stopped going to Dominos and Burger King and I've lost some weight...the only possible explanation for that is because I'm eating fewer carbs".

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                                    Munchies_Matt
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                                    F-ES Sitecore wrote:

                                    Eat less

                                    That is what I am doing. Why so negative?

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                                    • M Munchies_Matt

                                      That's it, I finally admitted I am fat. There isn't any point pretending, I am gross. So, time to do something about it: Diet, basically zero carbs/low GI. Rye bread for example has a Glycemic Index of 45, not much more than broccoli, so that is an OK carb. Also taking apple cider vinegar, 2 teaspoons before a meal, and at night. Unpasteurised. Apparently it has good bacteria in it. Started a few days ago and losing half a kilo a day: 121.3 121 120.5 120 119.5 It works. Really. My target is 100 kgs, I weighed that when I was ~30. I cold hit this by the end of March at this rate! Ideal, want to go skiing, and NOT lugging 20kgs around is going to make me ski great! :) One note, I was very tired for two days on zero carbs, so I had a rye bread cheese fondue. About 1000 calories in total. Feel much better. And I am allowing myself red wine, say three glasses or so a night.

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                                      After reading a lot of the comments I figured I should throw my two cents in here as well. Forgive me, this might run a little long. Calories in == Calories out is a myth. It's way more complicated than that. It also helps to know a bit of bioligical chemistry since our bodies are just big chemical machines.

                                      1. Genetics plays a large role on how your body handles fat
                                      2. Calorie type is important.
                                      3. How calories are consumed is important

                                      For the role of genetics, you have to think about where your ancestors lived. Over generations, our ancestors bodies adapted to maximize survival chances in different ways. Tribes in areas where food is abundant in summer and scarce during winter, such as the Scandinavian countries, have adapted to put on fat quickly and to lose it slowly due to a slower metabolism (I know several people of Swedish decent like this). It can be quite the opposite for folks descending from tribes in areas with a lot more stable food supplies where fat can come and go quite easily. Genetics can make it really difficult for some people to lose weight in a safe way. For some, loosing weight is an uphill battle. There are lots of things your body needs to maintain itself.   Micro-nutrients: these are the vitamins and minerals needed to keep you alive   Macro-nutrients: these are your sources of energy (i.e. things that can be readily converted to glucose) Basic Macro-Nutrients   Protein: needed for cell building and maintenance. Also provides energy in the absence of glucose.   Carbohydrates-Monosacchrides: long chain sugar molecules. These get broken down into glucose. Examples are fats, starches, and fructose.   Carbohydrates-Disaccharides: simple sugars that can be easily converted to glucose such as sucrose and lactose. Right here I could drone on about how all of these are used in the body but that would be the size of a post-grad's thesis so I will cut to the chase: how these are consumed makes a great bit of difference. If you consume any of these in their natural state, your body first has to digest them. This does two things: it consumes energy and it slows down absorption in the intestines. Slowing down digestion of sugars is imperative for weight control. I will use the obesity problem here in America as an example. The one thing that I would argue that has attributed the most to our little obesity problem is High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS). Since the U.S. decid

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                                        CPallini wrote:

                                        Balanced diet and running is far better than zero carbohydrates

                                        True: if you want to get fit False: if you want to lose weight. Only way to loose weight: eat less

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                                        W Balboos GHB
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                                        Alas, you've must have gotten a hacked copy of the diet book I was thinking of writing. "The Eat Less Diet" Page 1: Eat Less Page 2-144: (blank, for your notes) Based on the premises that: If you eat fewer calories than you burn you will lose weight. If you eat more calories than you burn you will gain weight. Anything else is just a gimmick.

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                                        • F Foothill

                                          After reading a lot of the comments I figured I should throw my two cents in here as well. Forgive me, this might run a little long. Calories in == Calories out is a myth. It's way more complicated than that. It also helps to know a bit of bioligical chemistry since our bodies are just big chemical machines.

                                          1. Genetics plays a large role on how your body handles fat
                                          2. Calorie type is important.
                                          3. How calories are consumed is important

                                          For the role of genetics, you have to think about where your ancestors lived. Over generations, our ancestors bodies adapted to maximize survival chances in different ways. Tribes in areas where food is abundant in summer and scarce during winter, such as the Scandinavian countries, have adapted to put on fat quickly and to lose it slowly due to a slower metabolism (I know several people of Swedish decent like this). It can be quite the opposite for folks descending from tribes in areas with a lot more stable food supplies where fat can come and go quite easily. Genetics can make it really difficult for some people to lose weight in a safe way. For some, loosing weight is an uphill battle. There are lots of things your body needs to maintain itself.   Micro-nutrients: these are the vitamins and minerals needed to keep you alive   Macro-nutrients: these are your sources of energy (i.e. things that can be readily converted to glucose) Basic Macro-Nutrients   Protein: needed for cell building and maintenance. Also provides energy in the absence of glucose.   Carbohydrates-Monosacchrides: long chain sugar molecules. These get broken down into glucose. Examples are fats, starches, and fructose.   Carbohydrates-Disaccharides: simple sugars that can be easily converted to glucose such as sucrose and lactose. Right here I could drone on about how all of these are used in the body but that would be the size of a post-grad's thesis so I will cut to the chase: how these are consumed makes a great bit of difference. If you consume any of these in their natural state, your body first has to digest them. This does two things: it consumes energy and it slows down absorption in the intestines. Slowing down digestion of sugars is imperative for weight control. I will use the obesity problem here in America as an example. The one thing that I would argue that has attributed the most to our little obesity problem is High Fructose Corn Syrup (HFCS). Since the U.S. decid

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                                          Yep, you are spot on.

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