The Soapbox Rules
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Call me daft but I believe Chris was pretty clear when he wrote, "The goal was to provide a place where members could have a good old rant about stuff that affects their daily programming lives". Would anyone care to take a stab at proving Chris meant something other than what he wrote?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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Call me daft but I believe Chris was pretty clear when he wrote, "The goal was to provide a place where members could have a good old rant about stuff that affects their daily programming lives". Would anyone care to take a stab at proving Chris meant something other than what he wrote?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
Hey Daft, I'll tell you what affects my daily programming life? Having someone blatantly abuse the soapbox to further a personal grudge and then to return a couple days later calling out others for not following rules. For what it's worth (nothing I know) I liked the soapbox as a place to come and discuss controversial topics like it was for a long time. It'd be a pretty boring place if we didn't have that.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Hey Daft, I'll tell you what affects my daily programming life? Having someone blatantly abuse the soapbox to further a personal grudge and then to return a couple days later calling out others for not following rules. For what it's worth (nothing I know) I liked the soapbox as a place to come and discuss controversial topics like it was for a long time. It'd be a pretty boring place if we didn't have that.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
Very well said. :thumbsup:
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Hey Daft, I'll tell you what affects my daily programming life? Having someone blatantly abuse the soapbox to further a personal grudge and then to return a couple days later calling out others for not following rules. For what it's worth (nothing I know) I liked the soapbox as a place to come and discuss controversial topics like it was for a long time. It'd be a pretty boring place if we didn't have that.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
Hear hear!
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Call me daft but I believe Chris was pretty clear when he wrote, "The goal was to provide a place where members could have a good old rant about stuff that affects their daily programming lives". Would anyone care to take a stab at proving Chris meant something other than what he wrote?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
You know, there is a special place in hell for people like you.
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You know, there is a special place in hell for people like you.
Slacker007 wrote:
You know, there is a special place in hell for people like you.
:laugh: :laugh: Hey, please don't sensor yourself. Let us know how you really feel. ROFTL. :laugh: :laugh:
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Hey Daft, I'll tell you what affects my daily programming life? Having someone blatantly abuse the soapbox to further a personal grudge and then to return a couple days later calling out others for not following rules. For what it's worth (nothing I know) I liked the soapbox as a place to come and discuss controversial topics like it was for a long time. It'd be a pretty boring place if we didn't have that.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
011111100010 wrote:
a place to come and discuss controversial topics
This is what drew me here in the first place. The ability to meet people, to discuss all kinds of topics, with intelligent (for the most part) people from all around the world. It has been for me a part of my life for 15 years or so. It would be a terrible shame to lose it.
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Hey Daft, I'll tell you what affects my daily programming life? Having someone blatantly abuse the soapbox to further a personal grudge and then to return a couple days later calling out others for not following rules. For what it's worth (nothing I know) I liked the soapbox as a place to come and discuss controversial topics like it was for a long time. It'd be a pretty boring place if we didn't have that.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
I make the effort to clean up the SoapBox where the boundaries have clearly been exceeded and you conclude this is a personal grudge? Come on, I know you are much better than this. I thoroughly enjoy 'controversial topics'. But, as I pointed out, Chris has made it clear that this is not the intent of the SoapBox. I don't make the rules. I come to CodeProject because it offers something unique that I have not found elsewhere. First and foremost, CodeProject is not about controversy and providing you with entertainment so you don't get bored. If you like controversy that is considered off-topic for CodeProject then perhaps you should find another forum when such needs come upon you. My opinion is that the issues you bring up, for the most part, are well within the intended boundaries of what is considered acceptable for CodeProject. As mentioned, I believe Chris has clearly expressed his intent and 'spirit' of the SoapBox. Two days ago he specifically expressed his displeasure at what has become of the SoapBox. Consider the SoapBox to be on probation. If all members, including you, do not make the effort to abide by the rules and encourage others to respect them then there is a real possibility the SoapBox will be shut down. Matt completely ignored Chris's request and posted another of his off-topics.
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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You know, there is a special place in hell for people like you.
Tell me what part of the SoapBox rules that you do not understand. For example, what do you think Chris meant when he wrote: "1. No personal attacks. I can't even believe I need to write that one out on CodeProject.".
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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Tell me what part of the SoapBox rules that you do not understand. For example, what do you think Chris meant when he wrote: "1. No personal attacks. I can't even believe I need to write that one out on CodeProject.".
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
We haven't had a troll like you in quite some time. BTW, you have attacked members here on countless occasions, even calling them stupid. Did you tell Chris that when you went crying to him about getting your feelings hurt?
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We haven't had a troll like you in quite some time. BTW, you have attacked members here on countless occasions, even calling them stupid. Did you tell Chris that when you went crying to him about getting your feelings hurt?
What do you think Chris meant when he wrote, "The anger, the pointless ribbing of other members, the general darkness here is not making me proud of what we've built."?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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What do you think Chris meant when he wrote, "The anger, the pointless ribbing of other members, the general darkness here is not making me proud of what we've built."?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
Chris, is that you?
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Chris, is that you?
What difference would it make if it is Chris? Would you respond differently, and if so, why?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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What difference would it make if it is Chris? Would you respond differently, and if so, why?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
The problem is you just did those very things a few days ago and now you're acting "holier than thou" towards everyone else. At least that is how it is coming across.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
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Call me daft but I believe Chris was pretty clear when he wrote, "The goal was to provide a place where members could have a good old rant about stuff that affects their daily programming lives". Would anyone care to take a stab at proving Chris meant something other than what he wrote?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
You seemed to only really and truly go ballistic on Matt when he expressed some very inappropriately expressed anti-Muslim views. Before that you were perfectly willing to engage with political discussion and throw down with us (well, maybe not John, but few are in such a league that the Soapbox was created specifically for them). But I remember you also used to have this in your signature:
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The Jewish Holocaust is unlike any other holocaust. There are no bodies, no murder weapons, no forensic/scientific investigations and questioning it will get you a prison sentence in many countries.
I kinda think you'll be happier here if you're just honest... we have global warming skeptics, antivaccinationists, moon landing hoaxers, flat earthers (maybe?), false flaggers, illuminati-ists, the list goes on. Personally, I think some holocaust denial / pro-Muslim activism would really round out the overall experience for new posters.
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The problem is you just did those very things a few days ago and now you're acting "holier than thou" towards everyone else. At least that is how it is coming across.
Everyone is born right handed. Only the strongest overcome it. Fight for left-handed rights and hand equality.
I had started a rather long winded account of my exchange with Matt, starting in January[^] but realized it was probably pointless. You have access to all of my exchanges since that time. You tell me where you want to start. My opinion is that the SoapBox needs to be cleaned up and I have made this point repeatedly, both implicitly and explicitly, in my exchanges. Matt has the dubious honor of being the one most intent on pushing beyond the SoapBox boundaries. I tried several approaches to encourage Matt to self-moderate, even to the point of using wry humor/sarcasm[^] to get my point across. Nothing worked and Chris had to step in two days ago. This is as much my home as it is your home. I finally got fed up with what I saw happening. I recognize my part in escalating events to the point where Chris had to step in. You apparently do too. My question is why you not only tolerate the poor behavior such as Matt and Slacker demonstrate but actually appear to be encouraging it?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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I had started a rather long winded account of my exchange with Matt, starting in January[^] but realized it was probably pointless. You have access to all of my exchanges since that time. You tell me where you want to start. My opinion is that the SoapBox needs to be cleaned up and I have made this point repeatedly, both implicitly and explicitly, in my exchanges. Matt has the dubious honor of being the one most intent on pushing beyond the SoapBox boundaries. I tried several approaches to encourage Matt to self-moderate, even to the point of using wry humor/sarcasm[^] to get my point across. Nothing worked and Chris had to step in two days ago. This is as much my home as it is your home. I finally got fed up with what I saw happening. I recognize my part in escalating events to the point where Chris had to step in. You apparently do too. My question is why you not only tolerate the poor behavior such as Matt and Slacker demonstrate but actually appear to be encouraging it?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
I have been a member here for over 10 years, and have never met a troll that pissed me off as much as you do. Your self-righteous phony bullshit of an attitude is clear as day to all the regulars here. You are not liked. Know that. You are not liked here. We do not welcome you.
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You seemed to only really and truly go ballistic on Matt when he expressed some very inappropriately expressed anti-Muslim views. Before that you were perfectly willing to engage with political discussion and throw down with us (well, maybe not John, but few are in such a league that the Soapbox was created specifically for them). But I remember you also used to have this in your signature:
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The Jewish Holocaust is unlike any other holocaust. There are no bodies, no murder weapons, no forensic/scientific investigations and questioning it will get you a prison sentence in many countries.
I kinda think you'll be happier here if you're just honest... we have global warming skeptics, antivaccinationists, moon landing hoaxers, flat earthers (maybe?), false flaggers, illuminati-ists, the list goes on. Personally, I think some holocaust denial / pro-Muslim activism would really round out the overall experience for new posters.
I would not describe my response to Matt as going ballistic. Please see my comment to 011111100010 and let me know if there is anything in it you wish to follow up on. Regarding politics, while I have tried to reason with a few, for the most part, I do not engage in these discussions and have even tried discouraging a few of them. You raise a good point about the Holocaust part I recently added to my signature. I am fully aware it is contentious topic and that there are legitimate facts and opinions on both sides. As you say, it truly is a topic that needs to be openly discussed. But CP is NOT the place to have that discussion. I intentionally did not make the Holocaust a subject topic but instead relegated it to the signature. In being consistent with the behavior I have observed in the SoapBox, I chose to push the boundaries and see what happens. To my surprise, not a single member said anything, over several days. Instead, it was left to Chris to deftly ask me to change the signature. My opinion is there is no place here for discussion of the Holocaust, climate change and other such topics. Chris made it clear that the SB was never intended to be used as it currently is. I am baffled why some will try to argue and do otherwise.
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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I make the effort to clean up the SoapBox where the boundaries have clearly been exceeded and you conclude this is a personal grudge? Come on, I know you are much better than this. I thoroughly enjoy 'controversial topics'. But, as I pointed out, Chris has made it clear that this is not the intent of the SoapBox. I don't make the rules. I come to CodeProject because it offers something unique that I have not found elsewhere. First and foremost, CodeProject is not about controversy and providing you with entertainment so you don't get bored. If you like controversy that is considered off-topic for CodeProject then perhaps you should find another forum when such needs come upon you. My opinion is that the issues you bring up, for the most part, are well within the intended boundaries of what is considered acceptable for CodeProject. As mentioned, I believe Chris has clearly expressed his intent and 'spirit' of the SoapBox. Two days ago he specifically expressed his displeasure at what has become of the SoapBox. Consider the SoapBox to be on probation. If all members, including you, do not make the effort to abide by the rules and encourage others to respect them then there is a real possibility the SoapBox will be shut down. Matt completely ignored Chris's request and posted another of his off-topics.
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
Ian Bell, #2 wrote:
I thoroughly enjoy 'controversial topics'. But, as I pointed out, Chris has made it clear that this is not the intent of the SoapBox
Where did I say "no controversial topics"? I said:
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1. No personal attacks. 2. No trolling. No deliberating picking something you know will upset others just for entertainment. 3. No hate talk, racism, sexism, anything that's just outright unpleasant. 4. Threads that seem designed to inflame pointlessly will get locked
As an aside: I love that when discussing pretty much anything with a developer even the simplest statements will get debugged. This is the Soapbox. Controversy is fine. Deliberately picking fights isn't. Hate speech isn't. Racism isn't. There's a LOT of room left to have a roof shaking debate about whatever you want. Just keep it civil and have the debate for the sake of the topic, not for the sake of seeing how far you can push someone's boundaries. To your other point: Yes, the Soapbox was designed to provide a place where members could have a good old rant about stuff that affects their daily programming lives. That and a couple of other reasons, too. Things evolve. "Things that affect my daily programming life" is very, very broad and I'm not going to police that because how am I to judge whether your expletive-laden diatribe against cucumbers and the letter "E" isn't due to something between you and your manager. So are we all going to take a common-sense approach to this and just move on or are we going to have big debates about the rules?
cheers Chris Maunder
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We haven't had a troll like you in quite some time. BTW, you have attacked members here on countless occasions, even calling them stupid. Did you tell Chris that when you went crying to him about getting your feelings hurt?
He does remind me of old captain C sharp!
Slacker007 wrote:
Did you tell Chris that when you went crying to him about getting your feelings hurt
Do you know he did that? I suspected it, but Chris denied it.
