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  • R RickZeeland

    We have them too over here in Holland :-\

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    RTek23
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    Your (Dutch) problem is the bikes...thousands of the elephants'ers....working against any moving cars. I visited Hengelo and Enschade a few times...bikes everywhere. Demons on 2 wheels. Ken

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      Your (Dutch) problem is the bikes...thousands of the elephants'ers....working against any moving cars. I visited Hengelo and Enschade a few times...bikes everywhere. Demons on 2 wheels. Ken

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      Munchies_Matt
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      Cycle lanes are dangerous. You turn right off a road, and some clown on a bike is coming up your inside at 20 mph! And YOU have to give way!

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      • R R Giskard Reventlov

        Traffic lights. :mad::mad::mad: Need I say more? If you have never driven there then this is meaningless to you.

        Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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        Munchies_Matt
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        California is worse if you ask me.

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        • R R Giskard Reventlov

          Traffic lights. :mad::mad::mad: Need I say more? If you have never driven there then this is meaningless to you.

          Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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          You want to really confuse 'em, change it for a roundabout... :laugh:

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            You want to really confuse 'em, change it for a roundabout... :laugh:

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            In Italy (we drive on the right side, you are from UK so you drive on the wrong - in facts the contrary of right is wrong) for some years roundabouts were to be traversed CLOCKWISE - which meant invading the opposite lane to access a roundabout. Then the traffic laws changed to the intelligent way, roundabouts are to be traversed COUNTERCLOCKWISE so everybody stays on its own lane. All right and good except that for 20 years elderly drivers took the roudabouts in the old ways and frontal collisions in roundabouts skyrocketed. Roundabouts have been the most dangerous road features in Italy for years and they still are in remote places where 90 years old drivers are common.

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            • M Munchies_Matt

              Cycle lanes are dangerous. You turn right off a road, and some clown on a bike is coming up your inside at 20 mph! And YOU have to give way!

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              glennPattonWork3
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              Even worse as a pedestrian (who might or might not have been on the :beer:) Cyclists assume they do not have to obey traffic laws

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              • R R Giskard Reventlov

                Traffic lights. :mad::mad::mad: Need I say more? If you have never driven there then this is meaningless to you.

                Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                I was there 18 years ago. The drivers make Israeli drivers look good. :omg: Never again!

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                • G glennPattonWork3

                  Even worse as a pedestrian (who might or might not have been on the :beer:) Cyclists assume they do not have to obey traffic laws

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                  Lost User
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                  glennPattonWork wrote:

                  Cyclists assume they do not have to obey traffic laws

                  Just like so many motorists these days.

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                  • R RTek23

                    Your (Dutch) problem is the bikes...thousands of the elephants'ers....working against any moving cars. I visited Hengelo and Enschade a few times...bikes everywhere. Demons on 2 wheels. Ken

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                    Enschade

                    That's an appropriate name for Enschede I think (means something like En-damaged) haha :) And I agree, bikers are rats on wheels !

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                      In Italy (we drive on the right side, you are from UK so you drive on the wrong - in facts the contrary of right is wrong) for some years roundabouts were to be traversed CLOCKWISE - which meant invading the opposite lane to access a roundabout. Then the traffic laws changed to the intelligent way, roundabouts are to be traversed COUNTERCLOCKWISE so everybody stays on its own lane. All right and good except that for 20 years elderly drivers took the roudabouts in the old ways and frontal collisions in roundabouts skyrocketed. Roundabouts have been the most dangerous road features in Italy for years and they still are in remote places where 90 years old drivers are common.

                      GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                      RickZeeland
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                      OMG, I just booked a fly-drive vacation in Sicily :omg:

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                      • R RickZeeland

                        OMG, I just booked a fly-drive vacation in Sicily :omg:

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                        den2k88
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                        Tips for driving in Italy: 1) At intersections, when you're clear to go, GO FOR FLOCK'S SAKE!! We aren't patient, at all; 2) Careful in roundabouts to the smartaxes who will enter even when you're already inside; 3) Careful in roundabouts to the smartaxes who will accelerate from 100 meters away to enter the nanosecond before you do; 4) Careful in roundabouts to the smartaxes don't know how to drive and will flank you from either side, or stop their car inside the roundabout and then shift to the rear gear because they missed their exit; 5) Pedestrians can and will jump out of nowhere with or without pedestrian crossings; 6) Don't honk if not absolutely necessary and you aren't ready to fight for dear life. Bonus: cyclists without mandatory lights and mandatory reflective jackets are the norm. Especially when it's dark. Even worse if they are 80+ years old and can't go straight even on a :elephant:ing rail.

                        GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                        • D den2k88

                          Tips for driving in Italy: 1) At intersections, when you're clear to go, GO FOR FLOCK'S SAKE!! We aren't patient, at all; 2) Careful in roundabouts to the smartaxes who will enter even when you're already inside; 3) Careful in roundabouts to the smartaxes who will accelerate from 100 meters away to enter the nanosecond before you do; 4) Careful in roundabouts to the smartaxes don't know how to drive and will flank you from either side, or stop their car inside the roundabout and then shift to the rear gear because they missed their exit; 5) Pedestrians can and will jump out of nowhere with or without pedestrian crossings; 6) Don't honk if not absolutely necessary and you aren't ready to fight for dear life. Bonus: cyclists without mandatory lights and mandatory reflective jackets are the norm. Especially when it's dark. Even worse if they are 80+ years old and can't go straight even on a :elephant:ing rail.

                          GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X

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                          RickZeeland
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                          Good information !

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                          • M Munchies_Matt

                            California is worse if you ask me.

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                            R Giskard Reventlov
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                            No way - was pleased to get back to a normal place with normal traffic lights after 3 days in krazy Florida.

                            Keep your friends close. Keep Kill your enemies closer. The End

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                            • R RickZeeland

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                              Enschade

                              That's an appropriate name for Enschede I think (means something like En-damaged) haha :) And I agree, bikers are rats on wheels !

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                              RTek23
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                              I have a rough time pronouncing it, never mind spelling it. Nice town though. Lots of decent Pubs, with good food, and Grolsch is a decent beer. People were pretty friendly and worked through our language barrier, making for a pleasant work trip. Ken

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