Refrigerator no longer supported ....
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Hmmm... Of all the nutty stuff mentioned here a TV is the only thing I would LIKE to have connected. It can be quite handy for watching various broadcaster-"play" services, film channels, or even just your home media center or whatnot. Much nicer methinx than cluttering your rooms with Chromecasts, Apple TVs, media computers wired to the TV. Plus an elephantload of remote controls. [The "media centre" if I had one in my home would be zero clutter, it would be a server at the back of a closet :)]
... such stuff as dreams are made on
megaadam wrote:
It can be quite handy for watching various broadcaster-"play" services, film channels, or even just your home media center or whatnot.
I don't use streaming services, so this is not applicable to me.
megaadam wrote:
Plus an elephantload of remote controls.
I have a single remote that controls all five of my devices.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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Hell yeah brother! We just bought a 4k smart TV, a 4k Blu-ray player, and a new home theater receiver, all of which allow connection to the internet. I refuse to do that. My iPad and phone have been pestering me for a couple of months to apply new updates, and I refuse. I'm tired of updates.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
We just bought a 4k smart TV, a 4k Blu-ray player, and a new home theater receiver, all of which allow connection to the internet. I refuse to do that.
You should like this one then. My folks have a Sony[*] 3D TV (from back when 3D was starting to become a craze again). They're not into buying movies, so every once in a while they had a look at one of the built-in apps that showcases the TV 3D's feature. Every few weeks there would be a couple of new short videos. Then at one point after some update the app just disappeared altogether. They haven't watched any 3D content since, except when I brought them one of my own Blu-ray 3D discs (which I have exactly 4 of). [*] Not based on my recommendation - I've been boycotting everything Sony for at least two decades.
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Would be nice if you could just turn off the smart portion of any IoT/Smart device and have it function as a normal X. Or better yet, just be able to buy a non-smart whatever! Hybrid vehicles don't suddenly fail when their battery stops holding a charge (at least not yet), the gas mileage they get just drops. Case in point, my currently place of residence utilizes a robotic parking system. It is nice because there is no way for the idiot next to me to ding my car with their doors. It sucks because it goes on the fritz every two or three days, sometimes 5 or 10 minutes and other times for hours! It needs an analog backup for when the "smart" system fails.
RJOberg wrote:
Would be nice if you could just turn off the smart portion of any IoT/Smart device and have it function as a normal X. Or better yet, just be able to buy a non-smart whatever!
Heck I'd line up to buy a TV without even a tuner and speakers - just give me a large number of inputs and outputs. As far as I'm concerned, that should be the extent of a TV's job - it needs to do that, and do it well, and nothing else. That'd be a winner in my book.
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I saw this comic[[^](this comic)] in this morning's CP email and it got me thinking about my smart phone and my 4 yo tablet. My last phone is out of support -- no more updates. My tablet is in the same situation (it doesn't help that the battery is on life support and changing the battery resembles a combination of brain and heart surgery at the some time). Let's say I buy a "smart" refrigerator. 3 years (or 5 or 7) from now the vendor says, "sorry, we're no longer supporting that model". Does this mean I need to replace a working refrigerator because I can't update the software? The silliest part of this is the question is valid ...
I remember hearing a debate a good while ago where the claim was that even Apple's top-of-the-line gold watch, which retailed for something like $15K, was going to be completely worthless in a few short years because the OS/electronics would quickly become completely obsolete, unlike a traditional watch that can be handed down for generations. After a few years, it'd only be good for melting down for the actual gold. Can anyone honestly find an argument against that? Who wants a 10-year old smartwatch? (or a brand new one for that matter, IMO, but that's another debate)
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I saw this comic[[^](this comic)] in this morning's CP email and it got me thinking about my smart phone and my 4 yo tablet. My last phone is out of support -- no more updates. My tablet is in the same situation (it doesn't help that the battery is on life support and changing the battery resembles a combination of brain and heart surgery at the some time). Let's say I buy a "smart" refrigerator. 3 years (or 5 or 7) from now the vendor says, "sorry, we're no longer supporting that model". Does this mean I need to replace a working refrigerator because I can't update the software? The silliest part of this is the question is valid ...
BryanFazekas wrote:
Let's say I buy a "smart" refrigerator. 3 years (or 5 or 7) from now the vendor says, "sorry, we're no longer supporting that model". Does this mean I need to replace a working refrigerator because I can't update the software?
It's worse than that. You can continue to use that senile refrigerator as long as you don't mind it's senility. However, since the smarts of that refrigerator are also the smarts controlling its cooling functions, when the manufacturer abandons the platform, they will start releasing updates that stop supporting it's hardware, eventually they'll get to a point where it stops supporting refrigeratory things, like running the compressor. You scoff now, but this is the Apple and Windows 10 plan, and they've already started putting it into action -- people with older hardware are finding they get updates forced on them that make their hardware stop functioning. Are you sure vendors of other platforms won't follow Microsoft's lead? After all, it is a good way to boost sales.
I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.
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RJOberg wrote:
Would be nice if you could just turn off the smart portion of any IoT/Smart device and have it function as a normal X. Or better yet, just be able to buy a non-smart whatever!
Heck I'd line up to buy a TV without even a tuner and speakers - just give me a large number of inputs and outputs. As far as I'm concerned, that should be the extent of a TV's job - it needs to do that, and do it well, and nothing else. That'd be a winner in my book.
dandy72 wrote:
I'd line up to buy a TV without even a tuner and speakers
These days that's called a monitor. Modern TV's are simply a monitor plus enough computer/IO to handle the various input sources and formats, along with an audio subsystem.
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dandy72 wrote:
I'd line up to buy a TV without even a tuner and speakers
These days that's called a monitor. Modern TV's are simply a monitor plus enough computer/IO to handle the various input sources and formats, along with an audio subsystem.
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Nothing that a screwdriver, a solder and possibly a mallet couldn't fix.
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And then some duct tape to cover the hole in the door - cannot do a repair with duct tape!
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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I agree. Who needs an IoT toaster[^], a smart hairbrush[^], a Smart egg tray[^], or IoT flip flops[^]. Fer Elephant's sake! :sigh:
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toaster - timer works well hairbrush - what hair egg tray - use by date flip flops - Yes please I need more advertising messages WOTAM
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BryanFazekas wrote:
Let's say I buy a "smart" refrigerator. 3 years (or 5 or 7) from now the vendor says, "sorry, we're no longer supporting that model". Does this mean I need to replace a working refrigerator because I can't update the software?
It's worse than that. You can continue to use that senile refrigerator as long as you don't mind it's senility. However, since the smarts of that refrigerator are also the smarts controlling its cooling functions, when the manufacturer abandons the platform, they will start releasing updates that stop supporting it's hardware, eventually they'll get to a point where it stops supporting refrigeratory things, like running the compressor. You scoff now, but this is the Apple and Windows 10 plan, and they've already started putting it into action -- people with older hardware are finding they get updates forced on them that make their hardware stop functioning. Are you sure vendors of other platforms won't follow Microsoft's lead? After all, it is a good way to boost sales.
I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.
patbob wrote:
You scoff now,
I don't see anyone scoffing. If anything, the vast majority of replies agree. I've had major appliances last 12-18 years. Current manufacture of any major appliance is lower in quality -- I'm expecting half the life span from my current appliances. There's no doubt in my mind that the vendors will happily produce the situation for a 3 year replacement cycle.
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patbob wrote:
You scoff now,
I don't see anyone scoffing. If anything, the vast majority of replies agree. I've had major appliances last 12-18 years. Current manufacture of any major appliance is lower in quality -- I'm expecting half the life span from my current appliances. There's no doubt in my mind that the vendors will happily produce the situation for a 3 year replacement cycle.
Reduced life because the manufacturing quality is lower, yes, people are annoyed, but accepting that. But things like major appliances haven't yet had a reduced life because the manufacturer intentionally unintentionally made them stop working. I think that people are accepting that that's just the way things are going to be, rather than fight it.
I live in Oregon, and I'm an engineer.
