Has anyone noticed
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I'm a liberal, and I while I think it self-evident that without guns there would be little threat form them, I also accept that removing all guns from the USA is simply never going to happen, so it's pointless to even pursue that line. The USA will have to find a way to live with them, somehow. And the way to solve the threat of Islam is to open your eyes and say" Threat? What threat?" The so-called "threat" of Islam in the West is miniscule. 99.9% of al Islamic terror attacks are in Muslim countries and aimed at other Muslims. I do not feel in the least "terrorised" by Islam. I am more terrified of crossing the main road on the way tot eh shops than any friggin' terrorist. The goddam IRA in the 70's were more of a threat than Islam. Get real.
A_Griffin wrote:
while I think it self-evident that without guns there would be little threat form them
I already showed you with the data for Ireland and the UK that this is bunkum.
A_Griffin wrote:
99.9% of al Islamic terror attacks are in Muslim countries and aimed at other Muslims
And there are thousands of such attacks. We dont want those ten other attacks in the UK.
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Compared to gun violence, how many people died of Islamic terror in the USA?
9/11? Oh, a few thousand.
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9/11? Oh, a few thousand.
And how many have died of gun violence since 9/11? [American deaths in terrorism vs. gun violence - CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/us/terrorism-gun-violence/index.html)
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Austin package bombs - They're not blaming the bombs, they're blaming the bomber? Also, CNN keeps pushing the race card despite the fact that no specific race was being targeted. (Evidently, the bomber blew himself up early this morning, saving citizens the cost of a lengthy trial, followed by lifetime support in terms of shelter and food.) Maryland school shooting - An armed resource officer shot and killed the 17-year old shooter. No mention by the state-run media that a) a 17 year old isn't permitted to own/possess a handgun, and b) that an armed school employee prevented anyone from being killed. A blogger in the UK posted a poll asking people to select the biggest danger to the UK. You could chose BREXIT, Russia, Far-right extremists, and Islam. 70% of the voters picked Islam, and the blogger claims that bots and far-right extremists were responsible for skewing the poll results. When asked if she would accept the results if it was proven that no bots were identified, she said "No". What have we learned from this? 0) The media is trying to start a race war. 1) "Gun control" isn't about "guns", it's about "control". 2) Liberals don't like it when their poll results don't produce the expected/desired outcome.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Guns Explained With Cats - YouTube[^] But I'm sure you'll find something to disagree with in that video. :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Guns Explained With Cats - YouTube[^] But I'm sure you'll find something to disagree with in that video. :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
But I'm sure you'll find something to disagree with
Not only is that not a valid and true YouTube site, that is not even a proper video format. Sheesh. :sigh:
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Richard Deeming wrote:
But I'm sure you'll find something to disagree with
Not only is that not a valid and true YouTube site, that is not even a proper video format. Sheesh. :sigh:
:laugh:
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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And how many have died of gun violence since 9/11? [American deaths in terrorism vs. gun violence - CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/us/terrorism-gun-violence/index.html)
Really, you're going to cite spewage from CNN as a actual reference?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Really, you're going to cite spewage from CNN as a actual reference?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Oh sorry. I forgot that your beloved orange clown told you not to believe CNN. I guess conservatives do not like it when statistics don't show expected results. But you can do your own research. I could do it for you, but you will reject every link I will post as FAKE NEWS and libtard bullshit.
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Guns Explained With Cats - YouTube[^] But I'm sure you'll find something to disagree with in that video. :-D
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Right back at ya, cupcake. On Guns and Cute Kitty Cats | A Debunk - YouTube[^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
Right back at ya, cupcake. On Guns and Cute Kitty Cats | A Debunk - YouTube[^]
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013OK, so bringing it back to the suggestion at the end of the "cats" video: What law or laws do you think would reduce mass shootings in the USA? We can keep dancing around the issue, shouting "Guns for all!" / "No guns for anyone!" like a a Simpsons episode[^], but that's not going to solve anything. We need a "Guns for some; miniature American flags for others" solution. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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Just a note, we would say "divisive headlines".
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OK, so bringing it back to the suggestion at the end of the "cats" video: What law or laws do you think would reduce mass shootings in the USA? We can keep dancing around the issue, shouting "Guns for all!" / "No guns for anyone!" like a a Simpsons episode[^], but that's not going to solve anything. We need a "Guns for some; miniature American flags for others" solution. :)
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
The laws we already have would help if they were actively enforced. We could start by looking at returning the 500,000 individuals to the NICS database that Obama ordered removed (if they truly belong on the list of prohibited persons). Then we could make sure that people that belong on the list are put on it. Beyond that... "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 ------------ "The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men." "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
The laws we already have would help if they were actively enforced. We could start by looking at returning the 500,000 individuals to the NICS database that Obama ordered removed (if they truly belong on the list of prohibited persons). Then we could make sure that people that belong on the list are put on it. Beyond that... "I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" - Thomas Jefferson, 1787 ------------ "The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil Constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted them to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men." "If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
"If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin." - Samuel Adams
Where are the real patriots[^] instead of those who are only interested in protecting their guns?
History is the joke the living play on the dead.
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And how many have died of gun violence since 9/11? [American deaths in terrorism vs. gun violence - CNN](https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/03/us/terrorism-gun-violence/index.html)
Is that all? Cars kill 40,000 a year: [^] Why not ban cars then?
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A_Griffin wrote:
while I think it self-evident that without guns there would be little threat form them
I already showed you with the data for Ireland and the UK that this is bunkum.
A_Griffin wrote:
99.9% of al Islamic terror attacks are in Muslim countries and aimed at other Muslims
And there are thousands of such attacks. We dont want those ten other attacks in the UK.
When are you going to understand that statistics, especially in the social sciences, prove mothing? Absolutely nothing. They are like the Bible - you can find something to back up any view you already hold. Even in the hard sciences they have to be treated with caution. As for you last idiotic statement ... it barely even deserves a reply.
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When are you going to understand that statistics, especially in the social sciences, prove mothing? Absolutely nothing. They are like the Bible - you can find something to back up any view you already hold. Even in the hard sciences they have to be treated with caution. As for you last idiotic statement ... it barely even deserves a reply.
Right, so now statistics are lies are they? Look, if you take away the gun you havent changed the underlying cause, which is WHY do people want to murder each other in the US. They will just use knives, or clubs, or whatever else they have. Dont change gun law, change the way Americans react, the way they think. That is the only way to reduce murders in the US.
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Right, so now statistics are lies are they? Look, if you take away the gun you havent changed the underlying cause, which is WHY do people want to murder each other in the US. They will just use knives, or clubs, or whatever else they have. Dont change gun law, change the way Americans react, the way they think. That is the only way to reduce murders in the US.
Well, that is what I said, Matt.
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The USA will have to find a way to live with [guns], somehow.
And surely I don't have to remind you of the old saying: "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" though I didn't actually say they were lies (though in some cases they may be). You are far too eager to jump to conclusions.
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Well, that is what I said, Matt.
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The USA will have to find a way to live with [guns], somehow.
And surely I don't have to remind you of the old saying: "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" though I didn't actually say they were lies (though in some cases they may be). You are far too eager to jump to conclusions.
The fact is that there is no correlation between gun ownership and murder rate.
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The fact is that there is no correlation between gun ownership and murder rate.
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Not on a 1-1 basis, when those are the only two variables being considered, yes Matt, I quite agree. If only life were so simple.
If only life were so simple, he leaves a patronising parting shot as if it is me who is ignoring reality! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: The reality is there is no gun ownership to murder rate correlation. Period. And therefore it is NOT simple, so trying to represent this as a simplistic position is stupid.
