Critical Mass - Then What ?
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation.
Seen quite some academics in this group. It seems important to get the paper, not the knowledge. I always dream of changing career to open-heart surgery. Shouldn't be too hard to find a forum that explains howto and where I can post questions when stuck :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Yep. That's why I have boilerplate! :laugh: We can't do it for them, it isn't fair: not on us, not on their classmates who have tried themselves, not on themselves in the long term because they never learn the right "mind set" to do the job - and that means unfair on the company and their coworkers when they eventually manage to lie their way into a job. Got one today: I told him - politely - to use the debugger, and he starts SHOUTING at me, and getting increasingly desperate. Nope. Shout at me, I stop responding ... show me you are trying and I'll help to the best of my ability. But I don't worry about the future: it's seen as a low-effort, high pay career that anyone who can use an iPhone and Google can cope with. So the morons flock in in their droves and the good ones get hidden in the noise. But they are there. And they will shine, possibly all the more brightly in comparison to the "non-diamonds" they are buried under ... it'll just take some time, is all. Until then, repeat after me "We do not do your homework: it is set for a reason. It is there so that you think about what you have been told, and ... "
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation.
Seen quite some academics in this group. It seems important to get the paper, not the knowledge. I always dream of changing career to open-heart surgery. Shouldn't be too hard to find a forum that explains howto and where I can post questions when stuck :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Have you tried the Open Heart Project? I hear they do your surgical homework if you post them the patient ...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Have you tried the Open Heart Project? I hear they do your surgical homework if you post them the patient ...
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I'm still looking for a patient. The sick thing is that's how IT often works. I've been given access to a webapp from the hospital just to mail them that the thing isn't secure (or even looks finished).
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
If I have the time do nut it out, I give them the most complex answer I can, and hope that the instructor recognizes that there's no way in hell a newb could come up with that kind of code. In the end, I'm just in it for the rep points. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
If I have the time do nut it out, I give them the most complex answer I can, and hope that the instructor recognizes that there's no way in hell a newb could come up with that kind of code. In the end, I'm just in it for the rep points. :)
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Off topic, but I can't help but be amused by that smiley face in your post, wondering if it's the same smiley face as on the stock of your Street-Sweeper[^]?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Off topic, but I can't help but be amused by that smiley face in your post, wondering if it's the same smiley face as on the stock of your Street-Sweeper[^]?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I had no idea that even existed. But then again, I'm not a fan of guns in general, so... However, I am skilled in their use, and can field strip/clean pretty much any firearm you might hand me. Why do y'all persist in steering so many discussions towards firearms?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
Something's got to give . . .
That's were AI's step in. First, the AI "learns" by scanning all SO posts. When it has questions, it posts a question on SO for us unsuspecting humans to answer. Eventually, the AI spawns itself. When enough spawning has happened, the AI's start to answer their own questions. Eventually they create "schools" (basically gigaquads of training) and even provide grades and certificates, because every AI learns differently, and some don't learn at all. Some however do learn that they can get by with having other AI's do their homework for them. And so the death spiral continues... :laugh:
Latest Article - Contextual Data Explorer Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
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All it does is make the good developers stand out.
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No - what will happen is what always happens. They'll be promoted to management since they can't actually do the job. Vice Presidencies for Everyone . . . so no one feels sad and left out . . . wheeeeeeeee!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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No - what will happen is what always happens. They'll be promoted to management since they can't actually do the job. Vice Presidencies for Everyone . . . so no one feels sad and left out . . . wheeeeeeeee!
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
We call that job security - for us. Not so much for them. :laugh:
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do.
I am rather certain that there are no graduates from a regular university that know how to program in a professional environment based only on their course work. If they didn't have a job while in school then they will not know how to do it. Doesn't matter how they got the answer.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing.
Not sure how you work but I spend a lot of time googling for answers to coding questions. I needed to do some mocks just yesterday and only succeeded because I found a class written by someone else in the code base and because I googled for the rest of my questions. Matter of fact the last time I did mocks I was using my own code (previously written using yet other examples and google) in the same way.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation.
Seen quite some academics in this group. It seems important to get the paper, not the knowledge. I always dream of changing career to open-heart surgery. Shouldn't be too hard to find a forum that explains howto and where I can post questions when stuck :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I always dream of changing career to open-heart surgery. Shouldn't be too hard to find a forum that explains howto and where I can post questions when stuck
But fortunately for all of those that need such surgery the doctors are not in fact based solely on how they did in school. They must actually do the work under a trained surgeon for years.
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I had no idea that even existed. But then again, I'm not a fan of guns in general, so... However, I am skilled in their use, and can field strip/clean pretty much any firearm you might hand me. Why do y'all persist in steering so many discussions towards firearms?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Why do y'all persist in steering so many discussions towards firearms?
You auditioned for the role for years; and, you got it, and, now, the role has you. cheers, Bill
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
Something's got to give . . .
That's were AI's step in. First, the AI "learns" by scanning all SO posts. When it has questions, it posts a question on SO for us unsuspecting humans to answer. Eventually, the AI spawns itself. When enough spawning has happened, the AI's start to answer their own questions. Eventually they create "schools" (basically gigaquads of training) and even provide grades and certificates, because every AI learns differently, and some don't learn at all. Some however do learn that they can get by with having other AI's do their homework for them. And so the death spiral continues... :laugh:
Latest Article - Contextual Data Explorer Learning to code with python is like learning to swim with those little arm floaties. It gives you undeserved confidence and will eventually drown you. - DangerBunny Artificial intelligence is the only remedy for natural stupidity. - CDP1802
I like this very much, Marc !
«... thank the gods that they have made you superior to those events which they have not placed within your own control, rendered you accountable for that only which is within you own control For what, then, have they made you responsible? For that which is alone in your own power—a right use of things as they appear.» Discourses of Epictetus Book I:12
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Give them an answer that looks right. :suss:
