Critical Mass - Then What ?
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Give them an answer that looks right. :suss:
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> Something's got to give . . . JavaScript..
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
Yeah, blame the language. I have almost never seen prototypical inheritance on third party JavaScript code. Some people even claim it is not OOP, language. JavaScript and PHP reputation is what spoon reputation would be if people tried to eat soup with the handle.
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Interesting and likely could come true. It struck me that. . . If you substitute -the wealth for the clueless developer and -the redistribution of wealth from the producers/earners to the subset of welfare recipients who don't really need help, -you get collapse of a certain economy similar to the death spiral you stated. . ..interesting how the logic holds across both scenarios.
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Interesting and likely could come true. It struck me that. . . If you substitute -the wealth for the clueless developer and -the redistribution of wealth from the producers/earners to the subset of welfare recipients who don't really need help, -you get collapse of a certain economy similar to the death spiral you stated. . ..interesting how the logic holds across both scenarios.
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"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I had no idea that even existed. But then again, I'm not a fan of guns in general, so... However, I am skilled in their use, and can field strip/clean pretty much any firearm you might hand me. Why do y'all persist in steering so many discussions towards firearms?
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010-----You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010-----When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
Other than that - who'd guessed ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010-----You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010-----When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013
Other than that - who'd guessed ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
But y'all are the ones that steer conversations that way. I merely react to external stimuli. My sig has nothing at all to do with whatever conversation is in progress.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013 -
So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Software is complicated, and a lot of the complications are not covered in coursework. I've been developing software for over 20 years on all sorts of platforms, and still often search for some expert in a particular area who has the answer to a non-obvious intricacy. My latest is wondering whether it was possible to execute a stored procedure from within another stored procedure and retrieve the results in one of the output parameters. I had never gotten that to work, so had avoided doing it for years, but got to a situation where I really needed it. None of my coursework covered such a situation, and I never would have guessed that you have to specify the keyword "output" next to the parameter when calling the procedure. You would think, as in most other languages, that specifying "output" in the definition of the called procedure would be good enough. Occasionally, I'll post an answer myself. Don't knock computer science majors who ask for help.
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Software is complicated, and a lot of the complications are not covered in coursework. I've been developing software for over 20 years on all sorts of platforms, and still often search for some expert in a particular area who has the answer to a non-obvious intricacy. My latest is wondering whether it was possible to execute a stored procedure from within another stored procedure and retrieve the results in one of the output parameters. I had never gotten that to work, so had avoided doing it for years, but got to a situation where I really needed it. None of my coursework covered such a situation, and I never would have guessed that you have to specify the keyword "output" next to the parameter when calling the procedure. You would think, as in most other languages, that specifying "output" in the definition of the called procedure would be good enough. Occasionally, I'll post an answer myself. Don't knock computer science majors who ask for help.
I'm knocking the lazy-do-nothings that don't even try to look it up. Or try to do anything. They want the answer given to them. Perhaps you've not gone to Q&A to see what a non-trivial segment of them post. As for me - I friggin' looked up everything, being one of the considerable segment of the developer population who are self-taught. I (and they) did it because we loved it. Were fascinated. Intrigued. We wanted to learn. These others? Just looking for a job. No inspiration. No desire for knowledge. Hoping to get by an entire life living on intellectual handouts.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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So often, in Q&A, we have some sort of Computer Science major requesting that one of us do his/her homework for them. OG even has a boiler-plate posting for that (most of his 2 million points gotten with that, but I deviate). OK - so suppose we give them the answers, or they get them from "that other site". They graduate, eventually, and get a job, totally reliant on hoping someone will know how to do for them what they were hired to do. Now, as there seems to be so many of them, they'll naturally begin to fill in and even dominate the software development scene. All of them turning to one another, hoping that someone where they work knows what they are doing. More and more of them aggregate (or better put, form a clot). The size of this death spiral of the clueless keeps increasing, as does the desperation. Something's got to give . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Sure: but they're all chasing WordPress sites. If you check the freelance sites, as the amount of detail in a job posting increases, the level of interest decreases. Ask applicants to quote a particular item from the post, they'll miss that too and further disqualify themselves (i.e. "form" cover letters). And of course, they all have Master's degrees. The employer only has themselves to blame; who is bottom-feeding in this case anyway.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal
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Sure: but they're all chasing WordPress sites. If you check the freelance sites, as the amount of detail in a job posting increases, the level of interest decreases. Ask applicants to quote a particular item from the post, they'll miss that too and further disqualify themselves (i.e. "form" cover letters). And of course, they all have Master's degrees. The employer only has themselves to blame; who is bottom-feeding in this case anyway.
"(I) am amazed to see myself here rather than there ... now rather than then". ― Blaise Pascal
Gerry Schmitz wrote:
If you check the freelance sites, as the amount of detail in a job posting increases, the level of interest decreases.
Yes - by definition. Is there a point to stating the obvious? That being (restating the obvious) that as more detail is given fewer consider themselves qualified. I'm afraid I can't say how to fix this - one field after another gets overstuffed with underqualifed candidates. The go into the field because the hear the prospects are good. They would be better off going into a field because they like it. Doing something you like; something you're good at? That's the way to earn a living. Beats working for a living any time
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Soapbox -
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Yep. That's why I have boilerplate! :laugh: We can't do it for them, it isn't fair: not on us, not on their classmates who have tried themselves, not on themselves in the long term because they never learn the right "mind set" to do the job - and that means unfair on the company and their coworkers when they eventually manage to lie their way into a job. Got one today: I told him - politely - to use the debugger, and he starts SHOUTING at me, and getting increasingly desperate. Nope. Shout at me, I stop responding ... show me you are trying and I'll help to the best of my ability. But I don't worry about the future: it's seen as a low-effort, high pay career that anyone who can use an iPhone and Google can cope with. So the morons flock in in their droves and the good ones get hidden in the noise. But they are there. And they will shine, possibly all the more brightly in comparison to the "non-diamonds" they are buried under ... it'll just take some time, is all. Until then, repeat after me "We do not do your homework: it is set for a reason. It is there so that you think about what you have been told, and ... "
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