London murder rate surpasses New York City rate.
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Not that I am even conservative. :)
I've rarely talked to a European that I would ever consider a conservative. Even your conservatives are to far in the redistributive tank to be called conservative. Although I am fairly conservative (fiscally, not socially) for a Canadian. Most European 'far-right' ("lets call them Nazis so nobody listens to them") parties would fit in as mildly conservative Republicans in the US. (Although they sure wouldn't get along with the evangelicals - but who does?)
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
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Understanding what? COme on, tell us what you are so pirvy to that we are so ignorant of? Time to shit or get off the pan. SHow us what you have or look a fool.
I didn't accuse you of ignorance - I accused you of stupidity and racism. How often do I have to keep repeating myself? You clearly cannot grasp the idea that a fact and the interpretation and meaning you give it are two different things. We all agree that the majority of gun deaths are black on black. That is the simple statistical fact. Where we differ is in what we make of it. You just dismiss is as "black gun culture", and I call that a racist attitude. There is no culture of black people killing each other. There is a higher rate of such killings than in the white population, but to call that a "culture" with no care or thought about why there is this discrepancy is racist. And you are racist, Matt - this and other comments you've made in the past make that quite clear. (And no I'm not going to trawl back to find them.)
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I didn't accuse you of ignorance - I accused you of stupidity and racism. How often do I have to keep repeating myself? You clearly cannot grasp the idea that a fact and the interpretation and meaning you give it are two different things. We all agree that the majority of gun deaths are black on black. That is the simple statistical fact. Where we differ is in what we make of it. You just dismiss is as "black gun culture", and I call that a racist attitude. There is no culture of black people killing each other. There is a higher rate of such killings than in the white population, but to call that a "culture" with no care or thought about why there is this discrepancy is racist. And you are racist, Matt - this and other comments you've made in the past make that quite clear. (And no I'm not going to trawl back to find them.)
A_Griffin wrote:
You just dismiss is as "black gun culture"
Why do you assume I dismissed it? I just made a factual statement.
A_Griffin wrote:
to call that a "culture"
Which I didnt... You assume things and then imagine things that a person has said, then accuse them of racism. You are just like that other prick here, Bell, who lurches to assumptions based on what he wants to see rather than the facts.
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Are you as incapable as Matt is of understanding the difference between a fact and an interpretation of that fact? I was not accusing Matt of racism for alluding to the fact that most shootings are within the Black community - this is well-known - but for the meaning he ascribed to it.
I didnt attach any meaning to the fact, you imagined it, because you want to. You want the easy slur of racism. Its a cheap card to play, about as cheap as they get, and says more about you than you think.
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I didnt attach any meaning to the fact, you imagined it, because you want to. You want the easy slur of racism. Its a cheap card to play, about as cheap as they get, and says more about you than you think.
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Oh what an utter child you are! That explains so much about the immaturity of your posts. You accuse me of not looking in depth, yet you got the gun issue completely wrong in your simplistic thinking. Thats just one example.
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Gun control has racist origins. After the civil war, the democrats in congress were worried that blacks would be able to easier exact revenge for being held as slaves if they had access to guns, so the first gun control laws were aimed expressly at them. The KKK was widely regarded as the militant arm of the democratic party. It really baffles me that any person of color would count himself among the ranks of democrats. Historically speaking, racism is more deeply rooted on the left than on the right. Of course, you have to have been taught actual history instead of liberal agenda-driven history re-write in order to understand the history of things.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
It really baffles me that any person of color would count himself among the ranks of democrats.
Surely the Democrats have moved somewhat Left of:
George Wallace (Dem):
Let us rise to the call of freedom- loving blood that is in us and send our answer to the tyranny that clanks its chains upon the South. In the name of the greatest people that have ever trod this earth, I draw the line in the dust and toss the gauntlet before the feet of tyranny . . . and I say . . . segregation today . . . segregation tomorrow . . . segregation forever.
have they not? After all, they successfully fielded a desegregated Presidential Candidate.
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Gun control has racist origins. After the civil war, the democrats in congress were worried that blacks would be able to easier exact revenge for being held as slaves if they had access to guns, so the first gun control laws were aimed expressly at them. The KKK was widely regarded as the militant arm of the democratic party. It really baffles me that any person of color would count himself among the ranks of democrats. Historically speaking, racism is more deeply rooted on the left than on the right. Of course, you have to have been taught actual history instead of liberal agenda-driven history re-write in order to understand the history of things.
".45 ACP - because shooting twice is just silly" - JSOP, 2010
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You can never have too much ammo - unless you're swimming, or on fire. - JSOP, 2010
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When you pry the gun from my cold dead hands, be careful - the barrel will be very hot. - JSOP, 2013Racism is the base of right-wing extremism. Look at those white supremacists groups, often inspired by the extreme right nazism.
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Racism is the base of right-wing extremism. Look at those white supremacists groups, often inspired by the extreme right nazism.
However, we have thousands upon thousands of Democratic neo-nazis in the United States. Yes, that's right, leftists. So, you can't just use right-wing extremism, you need to throw the left in there too. Just saying...
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DRHuff wrote:
you would be more like Chicago
Which has harsh gun control laws and a radicated organized crime. As New York does. As Italy does. It seems that organized crime and gun bans go very well together... Maybe because it's easy to buy the police but not so easy to buy each and every citizen?
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den2k88 wrote:
It seems that organized crime and gun bans go very well together...
As you'd know, if you gave it a moment's thought, it's not organized crime that's the problem.
- It's the hordes of jackasses who keep them in their pickup trucks in case someone beeps there horn at them.
- It's the gangs (organized crime seedlings that need guns to grow big and strong)
- It's people with mental illness, whose acquisition of guns was actively protected by the NRA
- Etcetera Etcetera. Etcetera
I really really really hope the next big wild shoot-em-up is at an NRA convention. I just got to hear how they spin that story whilst their fellow members bleed out.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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den2k88 wrote:
It seems that organized crime and gun bans go very well together...
As you'd know, if you gave it a moment's thought, it's not organized crime that's the problem.
- It's the hordes of jackasses who keep them in their pickup trucks in case someone beeps there horn at them.
- It's the gangs (organized crime seedlings that need guns to grow big and strong)
- It's people with mental illness, whose acquisition of guns was actively protected by the NRA
- Etcetera Etcetera. Etcetera
I really really really hope the next big wild shoot-em-up is at an NRA convention. I just got to hear how they spin that story whilst their fellow members bleed out.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I really really really hope the next big wild shoot-em-up is at an NRA convention. I just got to hear how they spin that story whilst their fellow members bleed out.
NRA members aren't the problem, these shooters are generally left-wing and democrat. So you want NRA members to be shot because they are supporting the rights of democrats rather than wanting to stop the left-wing democrats from becoming shooters in the first place? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
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den2k88 wrote:
It seems that organized crime and gun bans go very well together...
As you'd know, if you gave it a moment's thought, it's not organized crime that's the problem.
- It's the hordes of jackasses who keep them in their pickup trucks in case someone beeps there horn at them.
- It's the gangs (organized crime seedlings that need guns to grow big and strong)
- It's people with mental illness, whose acquisition of guns was actively protected by the NRA
- Etcetera Etcetera. Etcetera
I really really really hope the next big wild shoot-em-up is at an NRA convention. I just got to hear how they spin that story whilst their fellow members bleed out.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I really really really hope the next big wild shoot-em-up is at an NRA convention
Ah, thank you for showing your true face. Following that "logic", shooting ranges should be the first theaters of homicides, all those psychos with guns and ammo. Instead the best mass killings happen in gun free zones. Dallas and Zurich should be real cemeteries filled with dead bodies while London and New York should be the safest places, guess what...
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I really really really hope the next big wild shoot-em-up is at an NRA convention. I just got to hear how they spin that story whilst their fellow members bleed out.
NRA members aren't the problem, these shooters are generally left-wing and democrat. So you want NRA members to be shot because they are supporting the rights of democrats rather than wanting to stop the left-wing democrats from becoming shooters in the first place? The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
they are supporting the rights
To buy armor-piecing bullets To allow insane people to buy guns (legally) To oppose any sane limitation on the firepower available without a permit. How'd you like your neighbors to be stocking RPG's and Landmines? Maybe a Quad-50 on their vehicle, too. That's what the NRA protects. It's like the parallel, with the concept of theft: if you didn't have fence's willing to buy the stolen property it would be less useful to steal. Or graft - the source of endless criminal activity. Both allow it to be done - and then use that same whine you just implied - that "we didn't do it". The NRA are enablers.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
I really really really hope the next big wild shoot-em-up is at an NRA convention
Ah, thank you for showing your true face. Following that "logic", shooting ranges should be the first theaters of homicides, all those psychos with guns and ammo. Instead the best mass killings happen in gun free zones. Dallas and Zurich should be real cemeteries filled with dead bodies while London and New York should be the safest places, guess what...
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den2k88 wrote:
true face.
Ahhh. My true face. It is in there: for those who insist on creating a condition I wish them to reap the benefits thereof - personally. So making fun of the murder of children in Connecticut - conspiracy stories, claiming it never happened. That's the group in which you've gone to search for your face. Those rotten victims? They should never have gotten in the shooters line of site, spoiling his/her aim at their true targets. If they recover, they should be jailed
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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den2k88 wrote:
true face.
Ahhh. My true face. It is in there: for those who insist on creating a condition I wish them to reap the benefits thereof - personally. So making fun of the murder of children in Connecticut - conspiracy stories, claiming it never happened. That's the group in which you've gone to search for your face. Those rotten victims? They should never have gotten in the shooters line of site, spoiling his/her aim at their true targets. If they recover, they should be jailed
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Your true face is that of a person who calls for another massacre, of your political antagonists, to prove a point. That's revolting.
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Your true face is that of a person who calls for another massacre, of your political antagonists, to prove a point. That's revolting.
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Only you would fail to see that I'm assuming that, since nothing's changed, more massacres will occur. Accepting that as inevitable, my hope is simply that the consequences be laid upon the cause. Those who oppose any attempt at halting the slaughter. Let them know what it's like first-hand. Or - in a word - JUSTICE
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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F-ES Sitecore wrote:
they are supporting the rights
To buy armor-piecing bullets To allow insane people to buy guns (legally) To oppose any sane limitation on the firepower available without a permit. How'd you like your neighbors to be stocking RPG's and Landmines? Maybe a Quad-50 on their vehicle, too. That's what the NRA protects. It's like the parallel, with the concept of theft: if you didn't have fence's willing to buy the stolen property it would be less useful to steal. Or graft - the source of endless criminal activity. Both allow it to be done - and then use that same whine you just implied - that "we didn't do it". The NRA are enablers.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Look at the YouTube shooter. She was just a regular legal gun-owner. What's telling is that rather than criticise the person who pulled the trigger you criticise an organisation that simply supports the rights of regular citizens. That kinda comes off like you have an agenda. You know, like the people who blame Trump for these shootings when they didn't blame Obama for the shootings that happened under his watch. You know the types.
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Only you would fail to see that I'm assuming that, since nothing's changed, more massacres will occur. Accepting that as inevitable, my hope is simply that the consequences be laid upon the cause. Those who oppose any attempt at halting the slaughter. Let them know what it's like first-hand. Or - in a word - JUSTICE
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
There's no rational evidence that NRA supports are responsible for these shootings, neither physical, moral nor philosophical. So what you're basically saying is that people deserve to be murdered if they act in a way that you personally object to. This is why these shooters are usually left-wing democrats.
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Racism is the base of right-wing extremism. Look at those white supremacists groups, often inspired by the extreme right nazism.
And do you - like so many others - lump everyone to the right of you in with those right wing extremists? Racist extremists are given far more credit for power and numbers than they really deserve - primarily because the left wing media likes to use them to try to paint the entire right side of the spectrum in a similar mold.
The Centrist wrote:
extreme right nazism.
That would be the extreme right National Socialists?
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
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There's no rational evidence that NRA supports are responsible for these shootings, neither physical, moral nor philosophical. So what you're basically saying is that people deserve to be murdered if they act in a way that you personally object to. This is why these shooters are usually left-wing democrats.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
This is why these shooters are usually left-wing democrats.
So typical. I'm surprised you didn't add "Obama Inspired" to that. He's the permanent boggy-man in the Republiscum closet. NRA, through it's financial control of many senators/congressman, is hard at work maintaining the status quo. To them, the status quo is quite acceptable. I'd like to change that by making them take a real first-hand interest in being shot at by a stranger
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
