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  • C Clifford Nelson

    My problem is that at the end of a contract I feel like I have to be looking for my next contract. And of course in the middle of the contract I feel like I cannot take a break. A catch 22. Now things have changed a lot. It use to be that I could get a new contract within a couple of weeks. I am a C# programmer that specializes in WPF. This use to be a great position because it is pretty specialized, and a lot of tricks that most programmers do know. Well things have changed a lot in recent years, and now there are very few contracts that are for desktop. Every contract I have had for the last few years has been front ends for instruments, quite a change. Basically Microsoft (Ballmer) made a really bad decision, and that is the obsolescence of Silverlight. There were real advantages to Silverlight, and it is really too bad because that technology would have given me a really good path to the web, and provided the world something that combines the best parts of the web and desktop.

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    Contracting can be a bit like that, especially if you live in the wrong place.

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      Contracting can be a bit like that, especially if you live in the wrong place.

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      That has been why I have been moving for new contracts. There has never been a lot of work in WPF. I could have stayed in Seattle, and probably continued to get WPF contracts, but that would have meant a lot of time between contracts. If I did that now, I would usually have to wait a really long time to get another WPF contract. I like working with WPF, and I can leverage better rate since there are not a lot of people that have a lot of experience in working with WPF.

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        People with no qualifications often say that. Would you say the same thing about a surgeon? An airline pilot? I mean who wants someone who is trained and qualified, right?

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        Yeah, but you better test it to make sure. I have the impression some people get their degrees for free or something. eg. I once had an interview with a consultant. He had various certifates from Microsoft .Net Professional exams. The CV said he was certified in C# and in ASP.Net and in Visual Studio version whatever. I knew of course what happened and what they did on the resumes, but to make sure I asked the guy. "That certification in Visual Studio, what is that exactly? What does it mean?" The answer ... "I don't know" :doh: I tried to clarify, "you have a certification in .Net and in C# what was that and so what does the certification in Visual Studio mean?" Still same answer. Other certified people couldn't write 4 lines of code on a simple programming task with google and MSDN enabled! Diploma's and certifications mean nothing (unfortunately)

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        • C Clifford Nelson

          That has been why I have been moving for new contracts. There has never been a lot of work in WPF. I could have stayed in Seattle, and probably continued to get WPF contracts, but that would have meant a lot of time between contracts. If I did that now, I would usually have to wait a really long time to get another WPF contract. I like working with WPF, and I can leverage better rate since there are not a lot of people that have a lot of experience in working with WPF.

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          I have moved many countries for contracts, and weekly commuted, and it has been a pain. Looking for a permanent role now. :)

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          • J Jacquers

            So, I'm at a stage in my life where I'm considering what I've done and where I'm headed, a midlife crisis of sorts. I'm not happy at my current job (which is kinda killing my passion for software development) and I have loads of diy work at home to do. I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things and have a bit of a holiday. I'm not sure what I'll do next, either look for a new job or even possibly start something of my own (I have an idea which i think is feasible). It's a bit of a daunting thing to do, but so far everyone I spoke to has been quite encouraging about it. Who here has taken a sabbatical? Did you go back to software dev or do something else entirely?

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            Slacker007
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            Do it. It will make a world of difference for you. I took 2 months off a couple of years ago. Best decision ever. Make sure you can handle the finances for the time you are off, etc. -- goes without saying. Best of luck.

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              I'm taking 2 months off later this year. Same considerations as you have, except I have, for the moment, not come up with any alternatives. I would like to do something completely different, but with my diploma, chances for that are slim to none. :sigh: Best of luck :-D

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              Jacquers
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              I'm not entirely sure what I'll do after my break yet. You can always study part time towards something else that you really want to do.

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                Yeah, but you better test it to make sure. I have the impression some people get their degrees for free or something. eg. I once had an interview with a consultant. He had various certifates from Microsoft .Net Professional exams. The CV said he was certified in C# and in ASP.Net and in Visual Studio version whatever. I knew of course what happened and what they did on the resumes, but to make sure I asked the guy. "That certification in Visual Studio, what is that exactly? What does it mean?" The answer ... "I don't know" :doh: I tried to clarify, "you have a certification in .Net and in C# what was that and so what does the certification in Visual Studio mean?" Still same answer. Other certified people couldn't write 4 lines of code on a simple programming task with google and MSDN enabled! Diploma's and certifications mean nothing (unfortunately)

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                Proof by example fallacy. You've encountered some liars and bullshitters, so? The majority of qualified people are going to be better than the majority of unqualified people and using outlier examples doesn't change that. People pretend they have medical degrees to get jobs in hospitals...that's a real edge case though, 0.001% of people maybe and that edge case isn't going to stop me wanting my surgeon to be qualified. If you hire people based on qualifications alone then you're equally unsuitable at the job of hiring.

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                • J Jacquers

                  So, I'm at a stage in my life where I'm considering what I've done and where I'm headed, a midlife crisis of sorts. I'm not happy at my current job (which is kinda killing my passion for software development) and I have loads of diy work at home to do. I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things and have a bit of a holiday. I'm not sure what I'll do next, either look for a new job or even possibly start something of my own (I have an idea which i think is feasible). It's a bit of a daunting thing to do, but so far everyone I spoke to has been quite encouraging about it. Who here has taken a sabbatical? Did you go back to software dev or do something else entirely?

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                  GuyThiebaut
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                  I am not sure I would call it a sabbatical as leaving a job that almost killed me(evenings, weekends and holidays dedicated to the job on constantly failing projects due to terrible project management). Go for it. You only have one life and you owe it to yourself to do something else if your inspiration is starting to dry up. I went back to software and it was not easy but nothing in life that is worthwhile is easy :).

                  “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                  • J Jacquers

                    So, I'm at a stage in my life where I'm considering what I've done and where I'm headed, a midlife crisis of sorts. I'm not happy at my current job (which is kinda killing my passion for software development) and I have loads of diy work at home to do. I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things and have a bit of a holiday. I'm not sure what I'll do next, either look for a new job or even possibly start something of my own (I have an idea which i think is feasible). It's a bit of a daunting thing to do, but so far everyone I spoke to has been quite encouraging about it. Who here has taken a sabbatical? Did you go back to software dev or do something else entirely?

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                    Rage
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                    Jacquers wrote:

                    I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things

                    Do it.

                    Jacquers wrote:

                    start something of my own

                    If you can, do that parallel to your job. It is tough, but it can help financially until your own business takes off.

                    Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                      Proof by example fallacy. You've encountered some liars and bullshitters, so? The majority of qualified people are going to be better than the majority of unqualified people and using outlier examples doesn't change that. People pretend they have medical degrees to get jobs in hospitals...that's a real edge case though, 0.001% of people maybe and that edge case isn't going to stop me wanting my surgeon to be qualified. If you hire people based on qualifications alone then you're equally unsuitable at the job of hiring.

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                      F-ES Sitecore wrote:

                      If you hire people based on qualifications alone then you're equally unsuitable at the job of hiring.

                      That was actually my only point. Of course you prefer people with degrees, but don't take there word for it they earned it. And as for surgeons, also real life story (my dad was one) where they teamed up in the hospital with 2 or 3 for one specialization. At one point they kicked someone out, I'll leave it up to your imagination on why. I agree with everything you say, just that you should not take for granted what they write on paper.

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                      • J Jacquers

                        I'm not entirely sure what I'll do after my break yet. You can always study part time towards something else that you really want to do.

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                        yeah, here the evening courses are not that interesting and the open university is really expensive.

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                          yeah, here the evening courses are not that interesting and the open university is really expensive.

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                          Jacquers
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                          Maybe an online course?

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                          • R Rage

                            Jacquers wrote:

                            I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things

                            Do it.

                            Jacquers wrote:

                            start something of my own

                            If you can, do that parallel to your job. It is tough, but it can help financially until your own business takes off.

                            Do not escape reality : improve reality !

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                            Jacquers
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                            Rage wrote:

                            If you can, do that parallel to your job. It is tough, but it can help financially until your own business takes off.

                            I might have to do that, but it will take quite a bit longer and I'm usually not in the mood for any more coding after work. But if I want to do this, then I'm going to have to make a commitment and make the effort.

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                            • J Jacquers

                              So, I'm at a stage in my life where I'm considering what I've done and where I'm headed, a midlife crisis of sorts. I'm not happy at my current job (which is kinda killing my passion for software development) and I have loads of diy work at home to do. I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things and have a bit of a holiday. I'm not sure what I'll do next, either look for a new job or even possibly start something of my own (I have an idea which i think is feasible). It's a bit of a daunting thing to do, but so far everyone I spoke to has been quite encouraging about it. Who here has taken a sabbatical? Did you go back to software dev or do something else entirely?

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                              GuyThiebaut
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                              I would add that if you do decide to leave your job bear in mind the reduction in social contact you may have. Be sure to join clubs/meetups/etc if there is a chance you will be on your own a lot. The one thing I found hardest from being out of work was the social isolation that comes with it.

                              “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                                I would add that if you do decide to leave your job bear in mind the reduction in social contact you may have. Be sure to join clubs/meetups/etc if there is a chance you will be on your own a lot. The one thing I found hardest from being out of work was the social isolation that comes with it.

                                “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

                                ― Christopher Hitchens

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                                Jacquers
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                                Thats a good point. I'm single and live alone, so I'm used to being on my own most evenings and doing things like running and cycling alone, but the day time will take some adjustment. The church I'm at has a few meetings during the week, so I should see my friends during the week.

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                                  Thats a good point. I'm single and live alone, so I'm used to being on my own most evenings and doing things like running and cycling alone, but the day time will take some adjustment. The church I'm at has a few meetings during the week, so I should see my friends during the week.

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                                  GuyThiebaut
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                                  It's amazing how just sitting next to people counts as social contact and how as soon as that goes the loneliness can set in - having a local church group sounds like a good option.

                                  “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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                                  • J Jacquers

                                    So, I'm at a stage in my life where I'm considering what I've done and where I'm headed, a midlife crisis of sorts. I'm not happy at my current job (which is kinda killing my passion for software development) and I have loads of diy work at home to do. I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things and have a bit of a holiday. I'm not sure what I'll do next, either look for a new job or even possibly start something of my own (I have an idea which i think is feasible). It's a bit of a daunting thing to do, but so far everyone I spoke to has been quite encouraging about it. Who here has taken a sabbatical? Did you go back to software dev or do something else entirely?

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                                    Caslen
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                                    ditched software 5 years ago for machine tool R&D my original role in my work life, vowed never to go back. Currently - writing software for specialist sensor data capture and analysis...

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                                    • J Jacquers

                                      So, I'm at a stage in my life where I'm considering what I've done and where I'm headed, a midlife crisis of sorts. I'm not happy at my current job (which is kinda killing my passion for software development) and I have loads of diy work at home to do. I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things and have a bit of a holiday. I'm not sure what I'll do next, either look for a new job or even possibly start something of my own (I have an idea which i think is feasible). It's a bit of a daunting thing to do, but so far everyone I spoke to has been quite encouraging about it. Who here has taken a sabbatical? Did you go back to software dev or do something else entirely?

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                                      Gary Huck
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                                      I've had a number of sabbaticals, most worked out well. I highly recommend doing so. Got real good at windsurfing due to one forced sabbatical. Always gone back to software dev 'cause I like it and it puts food on the table. But, life is short. Go for it.

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                                      • J Jacquers

                                        So, I'm at a stage in my life where I'm considering what I've done and where I'm headed, a midlife crisis of sorts. I'm not happy at my current job (which is kinda killing my passion for software development) and I have loads of diy work at home to do. I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things and have a bit of a holiday. I'm not sure what I'll do next, either look for a new job or even possibly start something of my own (I have an idea which i think is feasible). It's a bit of a daunting thing to do, but so far everyone I spoke to has been quite encouraging about it. Who here has taken a sabbatical? Did you go back to software dev or do something else entirely?

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                                        SeattleC
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                                        When I was laid off my high-pressure job, I took a break to write a technical book. But it's been a couple years now, and I am having trouble preparing myself mentally for the non-coding parts of being at work; the pressure, the commute, unreasonable expectations, you know... I could retire, but I still have many productive years left in me. It's hard to balance the enjoyment of coding with the pain of working.

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                                          So, I'm at a stage in my life where I'm considering what I've done and where I'm headed, a midlife crisis of sorts. I'm not happy at my current job (which is kinda killing my passion for software development) and I have loads of diy work at home to do. I'm considering taking a few months off just to catch up with things and have a bit of a holiday. I'm not sure what I'll do next, either look for a new job or even possibly start something of my own (I have an idea which i think is feasible). It's a bit of a daunting thing to do, but so far everyone I spoke to has been quite encouraging about it. Who here has taken a sabbatical? Did you go back to software dev or do something else entirely?

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                                          agolddog
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                                          I'm in that mode now. I've been taking interviews, but only considering the right position (i.e., not going to have a job with a terrible commute or bad environment just to have a job). Like Peejay, I thought it was software development I couldn't stand any more. Having been away from it for a little while, I realize that's not the case at all. It was the idiotic management at the company where I was working which was driving me insane. Since I quite like the problem-solving aspect of development still, that's what I've decided is right for me--some organization which will let me solve problems, minimize the clutter of the other things.

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