GDPR
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At least in the US we have the Do Not Call list. So for cold call companies, you can request that they no longer contact you and they must comply. Sadly you can't ask them to remove you from their system like the GDPR. Many claim that it takes time to update the system and you may get additional calls for the next few weeks. This is usually a lie to cover their rear ends. Having seen a few of these systems, the update is usually done right away and pushed out to other sites same day. The problem occurs when one of those other sites doesn't update their DNC data routinely.
Unless you had your phone disconnected, or were out of the country for a year or two, you would know that the Do Not Call List is of absolutely no use any more. It really is a consequence of VOIP - and they spoof the 'FROM' if you have caller ID to try to get you to pick up after they get through the "no private calls" filter. Also, they employ robo-calls (illegal) and call cell-phone (illegal). They really don't give a damn. They don't have to.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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The idea of wanting a fee begs a question. And I'm sure the King and Queen of the EU will address this in short order: If they can charge you for your own information, should they also pay you for it, as in royalties, when they use it?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I think it is only "personally identifiable information". I can't see that a password would be classed as such.
You'd be surprised how many do offer personally identifiable information. I once worked for some people who kept their users' passwords in unencrypted form. Aside from the sadly inevitable "password5"s and "pa55w0rd123"s the number of "DaveSmith1974" type entries was a real eye-opener.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
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You'd be surprised how many do offer personally identifiable information. I once worked for some people who kept their users' passwords in unencrypted form. Aside from the sadly inevitable "password5"s and "pa55w0rd123"s the number of "DaveSmith1974" type entries was a real eye-opener.
98.4% of statistics are made up on the spot.
I do sometimes wish I was useless enough to code our systems with a form a reversible password, it would be fun to look at some of the choices people make. I wonder if Dave Smith is 44, or if that's just the number of times his company's password policy made him change his password :confused:
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The idea of wanting a fee begs a question. And I'm sure the King and Queen of the EU will address this in short order: If they can charge you for your own information, should they also pay you for it, as in royalties, when they use it?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
If they can charge you for your own information, should they also pay you for it, as in royalties, when they use it?
No, because you do not own the copyright on data they collect, nor could you copyright that information since it is not considered an original piece of work.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
If they can charge you for your own information, should they also pay you for it, as in royalties, when they use it?
No, because you do not own the copyright on data they collect, nor could you copyright that information since it is not considered an original piece of work.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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I've always considered myself an original piece of work!:cool::java:
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
You are a colony of copies of the original piece of work :laugh: We all started as single cell-organisms, that grew by dupliciting the original cell.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
If they can charge you for your own information, should they also pay you for it, as in royalties, when they use it?
No, because you do not own the copyright on data they collect, nor could you copyright that information since it is not considered an original piece of work.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
piece of work.
I've often been called a real 'piece of work'. So where's my money? And what about the young ladies, who being gypped out of the full title, are just considered a "real piece" ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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I do sometimes wish I was useless enough to code our systems with a form a reversible password, it would be fun to look at some of the choices people make. I wonder if Dave Smith is 44, or if that's just the number of times his company's password policy made him change his password :confused:
Even for a reversible password, the encryption engine can incorporate the password into its own encryption (decryption). Given the attempt at the password, it can still use it for the comparison. This makes compromising one key is less of a disaster, as it doesn't compromise them all.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
piece of work.
I've often been called a real 'piece of work'. So where's my money? And what about the young ladies, who being gypped out of the full title, are just considered a "real piece" ?
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
I've often been called a real 'piece of work'. So where's my money?
Your pieces cannot be copyrighted; you have no claim to money.
W∴ Balboos wrote:
And what about the young ladies, who being gypped out of the full title, are just considered a "real piece" ?
It has to be an original "work", not a real piece. Any pawn from the chessboard is a real piece, unless you are playing Battle Chess. In that case the pieces are virtual.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^] "If you just follow the bacon Eddy, wherever it leads you, then you won't have to think about politics." -- Some Bell.
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So in the GDPR laws apparently it states that you have the right to request all data that a company or institute keeps of you. I wonder if you could request your password as saved in the database. If they send it to you in clear text, you might want to close your account ;)
V.
Does it apply to the government too? Then it would be a good law. Like that would ever happen.
I'm pretty sure I would not like to live in a world in which I would never be offended. I am absolutely certain I don't want to live in a world in which you would never be offended. Freedom doesn't mean the absence of things you don't like. Dave
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Unless you had your phone disconnected, or were out of the country for a year or two, you would know that the Do Not Call List is of absolutely no use any more. It really is a consequence of VOIP - and they spoof the 'FROM' if you have caller ID to try to get you to pick up after they get through the "no private calls" filter. Also, they employ robo-calls (illegal) and call cell-phone (illegal). They really don't give a damn. They don't have to.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I dunno, I haven't had a real problem with spam callers. Maybe one a month, max two. Which I'm sure will change now that I mentioned it. But yes, I agree on the spoofing and robo-calls being problematic. During the most recent presidential election cycle I was getting calls from a particular campaign that didn't make it through the primaries at the rate of three or four a day, even after allowed hours. It was on my cell... but of course since politicians wrote the bill they did exempt themselves from portions of the the Do Not Call list. I believe they got around the "robo-dial" rule by having the person doing the calling press a button labeled "Call Next Person" and claimed that because of that it wasn't a true robo-dialer.
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I dunno, I haven't had a real problem with spam callers. Maybe one a month, max two. Which I'm sure will change now that I mentioned it. But yes, I agree on the spoofing and robo-calls being problematic. During the most recent presidential election cycle I was getting calls from a particular campaign that didn't make it through the primaries at the rate of three or four a day, even after allowed hours. It was on my cell... but of course since politicians wrote the bill they did exempt themselves from portions of the the Do Not Call list. I believe they got around the "robo-dial" rule by having the person doing the calling press a button labeled "Call Next Person" and claimed that because of that it wasn't a true robo-dialer.
In my area, it's more like 10-20, day. Many scammers. Occasionally, once per half-hour from the same robo-caller (I have to have my carrier block them). Most people don't answser their phones anymore until they here who it is (if unless it the common hang-up caller). With the fake credentials and spoofing of other (real people) numbers, there's no solution in sight. Unless I find out where there based - and then . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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In my area, it's more like 10-20, day. Many scammers. Occasionally, once per half-hour from the same robo-caller (I have to have my carrier block them). Most people don't answser their phones anymore until they here who it is (if unless it the common hang-up caller). With the fake credentials and spoofing of other (real people) numbers, there's no solution in sight. Unless I find out where there based - and then . . .
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Only if the amount of disclosure requests is considered "excessive", or the requests are repeadetdly unfounded, a fee may be incurred or service refused (Article 12, section 5) This is simply to prevent blatant misuse of the right :) As for passwords, it's not listed that it has to be disclosed... (Article 13 and 15) GDPR HTML version: L_2016119EN.01000101.xml[^]
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So in the GDPR laws apparently it states that you have the right to request all data that a company or institute keeps of you. I wonder if you could request your password as saved in the database. If they send it to you in clear text, you might want to close your account ;)
V.
Haven't thought of that before, but thanks for the headsup!
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keep them talking for an hour and then claim "not interested" and smirk about how pissed off they get... :laugh: (I tried it and it seems to work)
V.
Yeah. When I get one of these calls (about three times a day) I press 1 to talk to a representative and then put the phone aside and let them cry feebly for my attention for a while. Alternatively, just as they start talking, I say, "Hang on a minute, I have a call on the other line." and then put them on hold until they hang up. I see it as a public service to use up their time so as to reduce the instance of them bothering someone else. I have unlimited minutes and few genuine calls so it isn't any bother for me.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Unless you had your phone disconnected, or were out of the country for a year or two, you would know that the Do Not Call List is of absolutely no use any more. It really is a consequence of VOIP - and they spoof the 'FROM' if you have caller ID to try to get you to pick up after they get through the "no private calls" filter. Also, they employ robo-calls (illegal) and call cell-phone (illegal). They really don't give a damn. They don't have to.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
I had a hangup call to my cell, the number was local so I called it back. The person who answered was a private investigator who said he didn't call me, but said he'd had a rash of similar calls, his business phone number was being spoofed by some business. He asked if I would note the next time I got a call from that number and try to talk the person who called. So I saved the number as a contact, That Private Eye, nothing for a good while and then I got a call, the ID said That Private Eye. I answered and found out it was "Card Member Services". Told the rep that they were spoofing a legitimate business. The rep couldn't believe that I was calling him out on it and that I would help a stranger, started throwing out :elephant: and :sunshine: language at me. Hung up and let the PI know who was using his number. But then I play with the "Windows Help Desk" calls too.
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Unless you had your phone disconnected, or were out of the country for a year or two, you would know that the Do Not Call List is of absolutely no use any more. It really is a consequence of VOIP - and they spoof the 'FROM' if you have caller ID to try to get you to pick up after they get through the "no private calls" filter. Also, they employ robo-calls (illegal) and call cell-phone (illegal). They really don't give a damn. They don't have to.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
The only way I've discovered to get off these call lists is to be sexually explicitly rude to them, every single time. What happens is your number will get flagged as obnoxious and as they sell their lists back and forth you will over time start receiving fewer and fewer calls.
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The only way I've discovered to get off these call lists is to be sexually explicitly rude to them, every single time. What happens is your number will get flagged as obnoxious and as they sell their lists back and forth you will over time start receiving fewer and fewer calls.
I've tried that - said some things most foul - usually a hangup. On occasion, they even made such comments back. For the scammers - if I answer (and press 1 to talk to an agent) I very politely explain to them that the world would really be a better place if they died. They spend their time hurting people, so without them, things would be better. If they're still there, I'll add, 'so I mean it with all sincerity, please do the world a favor and die'. Odd - I've amazingly good control over the spammers, aside from the ones that hijack an email list and send those stupid 2-line messaged with the link. But on the phone, they just don't seem to take the hint.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010