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Almost. At one point in my career I came to loggerheads with a manager, who was playing the office politics power game. Anyway, he basically managed to corner me into making a stupid move, that I didn't see coming, and that was going to get me brought up in front of a disciplinary committee, which by his own words "He was going to make sure ruled in his favor". Long story short, he rumbled his own attempt, when earlier in the day before the hearing was to take place, he pulled me to one side when we passed out in the corridor, and with derision and a sneer, politely informed me that after the hearing that afternoon, he was not only going to make sure I had no job left, but also make sure that all other I.T companies in the area, and recruitment firms would see what a bad employee I was, and would freely circulate a bad character reference among those that asked about me. Realizing what was at stake, and still having a few hours of time left, I put together a quick bailout plan. I was coming down with the beginnings of a cold that day, so I wrote a letter of resignation, in the letter I cited my reasons for resigning based on health issues, and then sniffling slightly, and looking generally unwell I marched upstairs to the 3rd floor and handed my resignation, directly to my managers boss, who was genuinely shocked that I was leaving, we had a cup of coffee and a quick chat, and he handed my letter to the HR person who started to process it right their and then, and I got confirmation that the company would give me a good clean record and references based on the work I had done. I went back down to my office, and was saying my goodbyes to my collegues etc, when my manager stormed in yelling & screaming, and spitting fire.... tore a strip off me in front of my team mates. He was very angry and red in the face, beacuse he knew there was bugger all he could do at that point, and as I left the building he followed me out still trying to berate me, but I just let it wash over me. His political game had been going on for months, and at that point in time I felt like a great weight had been lifted off of me, so I let him do what he had to do and kept walking. As a last ditch attempt he screamed at building security to stop and search me, and detain me to make sure I didn't have anything I shouldn't have, so I walked up to the security desk calmly opened my bag let them look inside, got the nod picked my bag up and just kept walking. Even outside, he stood at the door shouting at me, words tot he
Oooh, you'll have to message me with who that company is. :)
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Best way to screw up a Polygraph... Get yourself worked up about it, the body's "worring response" will cause all the signs that the testers are looking for, such as elevated heart beat, sweaty palms, pupil dilation and so on. Make sure you answer every question truthfully. The result of the test will be your a 100% liar, but then when they actually double check the facts, they will find that your 100% truthful, and will then start to doubt the validity of the polygraph. and yes it does work :-) and no... don't ask :-)
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So I just had to ask, what is it you did that demanded a polygraph? And do you know if the polygraph ever gets it right?
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elevated heart beat, sweaty palms, pupil dilation and so on
I mean every person innocent or not would be feeling all of the above if hooked up to the polygraph! Exception Hannibal Lecter.
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Has anyone working IT ever got sacked? I have resigned, had contracts come to an end (after many many years) but never sacked. And I dont think I have ever worked with someone who was. HOw about you lot?
The supervisor was being a bit of a jerk to a fellow developer. I stood up and said something, and the next day the company downsized its IT staff by one member for "cost reduction" reasons. I was really tired of working there and was happy to get a 13 month package.
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Oooh, you'll have to message me with who that company is. :)
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Think, bingo on the river wear :-) You'll figure it out...
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Has anyone working IT ever got sacked? I have resigned, had contracts come to an end (after many many years) but never sacked. And I dont think I have ever worked with someone who was. HOw about you lot?
A friend of mine got sacked along with the entire team because the parent company which started the smaller company/project (I have no idea how corporations work) couldn't keep the wages anymore, the financier left or something like that. The way my friend tells it he almost felt sorry for the CEO who personally apologized to everyone (who was let go) for not having reliable investor. That was that and the entire team was let go except the Team Lead.
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Has anyone working IT ever got sacked? I have resigned, had contracts come to an end (after many many years) but never sacked. And I dont think I have ever worked with someone who was. HOw about you lot?
Yep. Once was a downsizing, they just ran out of projects. Kept people on for a while doing internal things, but no new work came about, so they just had to let a bunch of us go. No problem. Second was the company hired a nitwit manager, who then hired other nitwit managers whose only qualifications were being buddies with #1 at a previous company. We clashed pretty hard, and eventually it came to a head. Glad it happened, from what I hear via the grapevine, it's turned into a sweatshop. Turns out you hire stupid people, you get bad results. Surprise!
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Has anyone working IT ever got sacked? I have resigned, had contracts come to an end (after many many years) but never sacked. And I dont think I have ever worked with someone who was. HOw about you lot?
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Has anyone working IT ever got sacked? I have resigned, had contracts come to an end (after many many years) but never sacked. And I dont think I have ever worked with someone who was. HOw about you lot?
Lets just say I have been disciplined... LOL... But as a manager, I have had 2 interesting cases. 1) A programmer that was not great, and not interested in improving. His biggest (and most common) mistake was allocating stack memory and returning a pointer to it, out of the function that allocated it. His fatal mistake was suggesting that MY JOB as his manager was to review all of his code, and make sure that it is shippable... And that if it worked in the debugger, but not in real life, he was in the clear... I fired him. 2) Another employee at another company was basically a bad hire. The guy was useless. It took him weeks to do a day or two of programming. He had a set of 20 tasks items and a week before he went on vacation. I was quite busy, but he assured me he was making his way through the list. He was leaving Thursday. It was my mistake for trusting him, but at this point, I thought he was just slow. On Thursday at 5pm, he says he did not finish (but we had to ship internally for docs to be written), and when queried, he barely had like 4 items done. All minor stuff, mind you. I was incensed over this, so I handed his work to another programmer on Friday morning(the best in the group, to be sure), and he finished EVERY REMAINING item by like 2pm on Friday. This was not even his code base. He complained that the quality of some of the code was bad. And this started my insistence on code reviews. Literally daily reviews for new programmers until they earn the right to be given more latitude. When he came back from vacation, I started the process to let him go, which involved sending him to training, etc. etc. He milked it for about 2yrs. LOL... I actually left the company before he did, as I discovered the CEO was lying, and eventually was sent packing.
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Think, bingo on the river wear :-) You'll figure it out...
Ahhhh. Gotcha. There's another CPist works there if my memory serves me well.
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So I just had to ask, what is it you did that demanded a polygraph? And do you know if the polygraph ever gets it right?
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elevated heart beat, sweaty palms, pupil dilation and so on
I mean every person innocent or not would be feeling all of the above if hooked up to the polygraph! Exception Hannibal Lecter.
Your correct that yes, everyone to some degree will have elevated heart rate etc when faced with a polygraph, but in most cases those doing the testing know this so the machines are calibrated to take it into account. However if you push yourself to be worried more, and really get yourself worked up about things, those measurements will be higher than what's accounted for, and so will throw the measurements being taken into the grey area where it's quite difficult for them to say yes or no, esp if those measurements are the same when your base reading is taken. The base reading, is the first few questions, eg: name, age, general stuff, which they use to set the "truth level" of the device, and also as part of the calibration for when they start asking q's where you may lie. as for the what did I do? Well, my father used to be a police officer, I didn't do anything, but as a prank one year, he faked getting me arrested by some of his officer friends. I learned a lot of tricks about things that law enforcement use, and on top of that, I also learned a number of similar tricks (and saw some first hand examples) years later when I served with the UK's armed forces.
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Ahhhh. Gotcha. There's another CPist works there if my memory serves me well.
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Possibly. I still see the odd one or two when I do UG talks around the area.
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Possibly. I still see the odd one or two when I do UG talks around the area.
You and I really need to get a Lidnug talk sorted. Once I'm finished the current stuff I'm writing for Pluralsight, we'll have to schedule a session.
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You and I really need to get a Lidnug talk sorted. Once I'm finished the current stuff I'm writing for Pluralsight, we'll have to schedule a session.
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Absolutely dude. I'm through at Leeds on Tuesday doing my Typescript session for the Hainton .NET UG, and in sept I'm up for Chris and his SQL-NE group through the town, doing a CI/CD SQL focused talk for them. You'll have to let me have a little preview of your PS stuff :-) I'm also working on some new stuff for them at the mo.
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Has anyone working IT ever got sacked? I have resigned, had contracts come to an end (after many many years) but never sacked. And I dont think I have ever worked with someone who was. HOw about you lot?
I worked at Nationwide Insurance in the US and was fired. I had a manager who hated me and tried to get me fired. I BCCed a reply to one of her nasty emails to a employee relations lawyer and HR was moving to fire me at her request. The keystroke loggers caught my email after the fact, so they retired her, then fired me. Nationwide Insurance and other large corporations have a habit of over hiring consultants, offering positions to the ones they like and getting rid of the ones they don't like. The process for Nationwide was a 3 year cycle.
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Has anyone working IT ever got sacked? I have resigned, had contracts come to an end (after many many years) but never sacked. And I dont think I have ever worked with someone who was. HOw about you lot?
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I got let go a few times. The last time, I was out of work for almost 8 months, and in that time I got diagnosed with ADHD. This made sense out of the job losses and the previous 45+ years.
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Has anyone working IT ever got sacked? I have resigned, had contracts come to an end (after many many years) but never sacked. And I dont think I have ever worked with someone who was. HOw about you lot?
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In the UK you can't request a criminal record check unless the role directly requires one - working with children or the vulnerable for example. Then you get them to fill out a form and you apply for a Criminal Records Bureau check which normally takes a couple of months and doesn't give you full details, just a "yes / no" on relevant convictions. In this case, it was before the CRB check system came into being, and there was no way for a company to legally check the records at all!
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In the UK you can't request a criminal record check unless the role directly requires one
No longer the case I'm afraid- since it was oursourced to private companies rather than the CRB, any Tom, Dick and indeed Harry can run a check. The other trick is to leverage the concept of an enforced subject and make the job offer conditional on agreeing to fill in the form requesting disclosure.....
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which normally takes a couple of months and doesn't give you full details, just a "yes / no" on relevant convictions.
Or a couple of days, depending on who you use
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doesn't give you full details, just a "yes / no" on relevant convictions.
Again, not quite - it will give details of any unspent convictions, or all convictions in the case of enhanced disclosures (think in terms of working with vulnerable people, kids etc). I personally think that it SHOULD be restricted in the way you outlined - but then companies would find ways around it - a wise man once told me "there's what's legal, and then there's what you can get away with" - for instance a "friend" was asked do you have any spent or unspent convictions (which you're not supposed to ask - that's the point of spent convictions!), and when he answered honestly (not realising that in that case you're permitted to "present yourself as someone without convictions", the company suddenly decided that the job for which he was applying didn't exist.....which is rather naughty.
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