Updates...opposite approaches, both failing
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Because in 14 years I never, ever got any security problems thanks to antivirus and firewalls? And that's even on production machines that are on 24/7 still running Windows 2000.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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That's pretty much what I was saying. If you never take out a Windows 2000 machine for a spin on the internet, then yeah, who cares about keeping it up to date...
They are on the Internet. With appropriate company-wide firewalls and no monkey allowed to surf the web with it there are 0 problems at all.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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If I was the type to complain at Google, the first thing I'd suggest would be to get the hardware OEMs to push out their OS upgrades. None of my tablets have ever had a single one of them. That's the only reason I have multiple Android tablets to begin with. And I'm done playing their game.
I hear google is somehow now forcing the manufacturers to push OS updates regularly. Not sure how though. EDIT Just googled it: Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates - CNET[] but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
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They are on the Internet. With appropriate company-wide firewalls and no monkey allowed to surf the web with it there are 0 problems at all.
GCS d-- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L+@ E-- W++ N+ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t+ 5? X R+++ tv-- b+(+++) DI+++ D++ G e++ h--- ++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X
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I hear google is somehow now forcing the manufacturers to push OS updates regularly. Not sure how though. EDIT Just googled it: Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates - CNET[] but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
Abbas A. Ali wrote:
Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates
I mentioned I have 3 Android tablets - I actually have one more, but it's so old now that I've stopped using it entirely. So Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date? Can you understand my skepticism? I've already dropped over a grand on this abandonware platform. Pardon me for feeling stupid if I were to continue that and expect a different result.
Abbas A. Ali wrote:
but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
Funny how I can take the crappiest computer I still have and install the most current version of Windows 10 on it. Or plenty of Linux distributions. Yet Android devices are completely stuck in time.
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Abbas A. Ali wrote:
Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates
I mentioned I have 3 Android tablets - I actually have one more, but it's so old now that I've stopped using it entirely. So Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date? Can you understand my skepticism? I've already dropped over a grand on this abandonware platform. Pardon me for feeling stupid if I were to continue that and expect a different result.
Abbas A. Ali wrote:
but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
Funny how I can take the crappiest computer I still have and install the most current version of Windows 10 on it. Or plenty of Linux distributions. Yet Android devices are completely stuck in time.
I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest and if you are willing to root after they stop receiving updates from Google you can install third-party ROM's that will keep you running even further. For example, my OG Motorola Droid is currently running Android 4.1 even though they stopped supporting it at 2.2.3. That's a far cry from 8.0 currently but I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe...
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I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest and if you are willing to root after they stop receiving updates from Google you can install third-party ROM's that will keep you running even further. For example, my OG Motorola Droid is currently running Android 4.1 even though they stopped supporting it at 2.2.3. That's a far cry from 8.0 currently but I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe...
Wartickler wrote:
I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest
Had the Pixel series existed at the time I bought my newest Android tablet, I would've looked at it. As for the Nexus - I've never seen 'em in person, and I'm underwhelmed by what I'm finding on Amazon right now. Why are they not all over the place? And WTF's with [this](https://www.amazon.ca/Google-Pixel-64GB-NVIDIA-Maxwell/dp/B01945NI1Y) $4300 tablet??
Wartickler wrote:
I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe
At least you have a choice. I wouldn't mind leaving my oldest tablet in the kitchen as nothing but an appliance showing the Weather Network's forecast page, but nowadays, its browser's so old most pages won't render properly. If I could run a more recent browser - which requires a more recent OS - then I'd get some mileage out of it, even if it's slow (who cares - it'd only need to display a static screen, updated maybe once an hour).
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I would only ask that if this is your desire why do you not own pure Android devices? Nexus/Pixel devices are always on the latest and if you are willing to root after they stop receiving updates from Google you can install third-party ROM's that will keep you running even further. For example, my OG Motorola Droid is currently running Android 4.1 even though they stopped supporting it at 2.2.3. That's a far cry from 8.0 currently but I don't think running Win10 on a machine that could only handle Win98 is going to be very functional either. WinXP maybe...
I haven't used Pixel but Nexus, I have two of them and let me tell you they are not something you wanna own as a consumer, they are practically overly rated phones. They have the same OS, same features and they are almost never consistently updated sometimes in the name of leaving the past behind, sometimes backwards compatibility is an issue, sometimes they've got better/newer things to do or sometimes they are just plain lazy.
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you can install third-party ROM's
Could do that effort and lose time, money and let the corporate world win. I agree with @dandy72 on this one. Tablets are a waste of time with no real use. Come to think of it so are the smartphones but atleast they are more frequently updated and you do need to keep in touch with people living outside your own head. PS I only have 4 tablets cause I am an Android Dev and need to keep the app up to date with Tablet screens.
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Abbas A. Ali wrote:
Apparently they are now putting it in there contract Google will force Android phone makers to issue regular security updates
I mentioned I have 3 Android tablets - I actually have one more, but it's so old now that I've stopped using it entirely. So Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date? Can you understand my skepticism? I've already dropped over a grand on this abandonware platform. Pardon me for feeling stupid if I were to continue that and expect a different result.
Abbas A. Ali wrote:
but these are just security updates, OS will probably remain the same.
Funny how I can take the crappiest computer I still have and install the most current version of Windows 10 on it. Or plenty of Linux distributions. Yet Android devices are completely stuck in time.
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Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date?
Yeah I can, I am not some android supporter just an Android Dev who just keeps an eye out for the latest news. BTW if you really want that 4th tablet to use (put on the kitchen shelf) you could either update with the available ROMs (as suggested by @wartickler) or write your own weather app. Though I should warn you if it is a pre lollipop tablet you may run into non availability of TLS Version compatibility issue which may or may not be fixable. Till kitkat they are fixable! Before them, I have no idea.
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I haven't used Pixel but Nexus, I have two of them and let me tell you they are not something you wanna own as a consumer, they are practically overly rated phones. They have the same OS, same features and they are almost never consistently updated sometimes in the name of leaving the past behind, sometimes backwards compatibility is an issue, sometimes they've got better/newer things to do or sometimes they are just plain lazy.
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you can install third-party ROM's
Could do that effort and lose time, money and let the corporate world win. I agree with @dandy72 on this one. Tablets are a waste of time with no real use. Come to think of it so are the smartphones but atleast they are more frequently updated and you do need to keep in touch with people living outside your own head. PS I only have 4 tablets cause I am an Android Dev and need to keep the app up to date with Tablet screens.
I'm just saying I'm beyond frustrated with Android, I despise Apple as a company, and IMO Windows 10 on a tablet is just contrived (not to suggest I don't like my Surface tablets - just that Windows in that form factor isn't a great experience). So, this state of the tablet market leaves me rather uninterested. Which is why I don't feel compelled to get a newer tablet even if I'm promised it'll be kept up to date. As for whether tablets in general are "waste of time with no real use"...well, maybe that's harsh, I could agree or disagree on different days. I'm not a phone fan, because here again the only real options are Android and iOS. Where am I going with this? The only thing I'm sure of is that even though I'm very much a gadget guy, I simply don't feel very excited about the current options. That's all.
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Google's promise now is that if only I bought a fifth tablet, they would really, really, for real this time, pinky swear, keep it up to date?
Yeah I can, I am not some android supporter just an Android Dev who just keeps an eye out for the latest news. BTW if you really want that 4th tablet to use (put on the kitchen shelf) you could either update with the available ROMs (as suggested by @wartickler) or write your own weather app. Though I should warn you if it is a pre lollipop tablet you may run into non availability of TLS Version compatibility issue which may or may not be fixable. Till kitkat they are fixable! Before them, I have no idea.
Locked down ROM. I've spent quite a bit of time investigating that years ago but gave up (it's really not a popular name - I forget exactly what it is, it's been sitting in a drawer for years). As I don't have much of an interest in writing Android apps at this point, writing my own app would be a terrible use of my time - these days, I can barely convince myself to write Windows code in my spare time.