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Interesting you'd pick the Catholic Church. So many other authoritarian religions to choose from! Although the scope of the Catholic church is huge, the practice (implicitly, damnation of some sort for disobedience) is practiced on the local level by the lot of them. Well - you're welcome to choose your own symbols.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
nteresting you'd pick the Catholic Church.
Deflection! Jackboots are a symbol of Nazism, you used it as a slur on the EU, which is childish and insulting. Admit it.
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
nteresting you'd pick the Catholic Church.
Deflection! Jackboots are a symbol of Nazism, you used it as a slur on the EU, which is childish and insulting. Admit it.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Admit it.
Gratuitous (yet always well deserved) insults to the EU are always in order. What's to admit? It's a "given" ! The last great hope of an tired and failing old continent and it's already crashing and burning.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Admit it.
Gratuitous (yet always well deserved) insults to the EU are always in order. What's to admit? It's a "given" ! The last great hope of an tired and failing old continent and it's already crashing and burning.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
W∴ Balboos wrote:
The last great hope of an tired and failing old continent and it's already crashing and burning.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Such desperation. Why is that? The EU is a mess, it is scared, always has been, and is heavy handed because of that. But it isnt evil, and is a force for good in the world. As mistaken as it often is, it's intentions are good. There are issues with having a past, the benefit of the new world is it was a clean slate, no need to drag history around with you, no need to cater to it. A good thing IMO. But tired and old dont always go hand in hand. There is nothing tired about European music for example. :)
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W∴ Balboos wrote:
nteresting you'd pick the Catholic Church.
Deflection! Jackboots are a symbol of Nazism, you used it as a slur on the EU, which is childish and insulting. Admit it.
You may link the two, but the world at large doesn't. E.g. Google "jackboots" and you will not find the word "Nazi" in the results page. But whatever. Not sure there's any childishness involved, and even if it were intended as an insult, why not? Are we now in a world where we are not allowed to use insults? No-one on this site was being insulted, it seems to be just you who have taken offence for some reason, as a result of concocting some link between the word "jackboots" and "nazi", combined with a personal need to defend the EU. (Oh, and yes I realise that Google is not a definitive source for everything, but it does tend to give some indication of common usage)
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You may link the two, but the world at large doesn't. E.g. Google "jackboots" and you will not find the word "Nazi" in the results page. But whatever. Not sure there's any childishness involved, and even if it were intended as an insult, why not? Are we now in a world where we are not allowed to use insults? No-one on this site was being insulted, it seems to be just you who have taken offence for some reason, as a result of concocting some link between the word "jackboots" and "nazi", combined with a personal need to defend the EU. (Oh, and yes I realise that Google is not a definitive source for everything, but it does tend to give some indication of common usage)
DerekTP123 wrote:
it seems to be just you who have taken offence for some reason
Worth an argument isnt it? :)
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Sander Rossel wrote:
I need to be able to delete customers, but I want to keep their orders and some other data for reporting
If you've got financial transactions, you have a legitimate need to keep the customer's data for whatever retention period you've declared in your policies. In the UK, that would typically be seven years. Once that period is up, you no longer need the orders or financial transactions, so they can be deleted. At that point, you can delete the rest of the customer's data if they've requested it. There's also an argument to be made for automatically deleting the customer's data if they haven't done any business with you in the last seven years.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Hold up, this is some good info! I don't have financial transactions yet, but what you're saying is that when I implement PayPal I am obligated to keep someone's data for x years? Of course the transactions are already stored by PayPal and the bank too... All I need to know is "did this person pay?"
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Hold up, this is some good info! I don't have financial transactions yet, but what you're saying is that when I implement PayPal I am obligated to keep someone's data for x years? Of course the transactions are already stored by PayPal and the bank too... All I need to know is "did this person pay?"
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In the UK, if you've sold something to a customer, you have to keep their data for seven years, in case HMRC decide to audit you. You need to be able to produce the last seven years of financial transactions on demand, to make sure you're not fiddling your taxes. You could probably delete some customer data before that - application logins, etc. - but you need to keep their name, address, contact details, VAT registration details, etc. for auditing purposes. Obviously, if there's any doubt, you should consult a wallet-sucking leech lawyer for proper advice. :) If you've got a Pluralsight subscription, Troy Hunt (@User-993886) has recently published a GDPR course there: The State of GDPR: Common Questions and Misperceptions | Pluralsight[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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In the UK, if you've sold something to a customer, you have to keep their data for seven years, in case HMRC decide to audit you. You need to be able to produce the last seven years of financial transactions on demand, to make sure you're not fiddling your taxes. You could probably delete some customer data before that - application logins, etc. - but you need to keep their name, address, contact details, VAT registration details, etc. for auditing purposes. Obviously, if there's any doubt, you should consult a wallet-sucking leech lawyer for proper advice. :) If you've got a Pluralsight subscription, Troy Hunt (@User-993886) has recently published a GDPR course there: The State of GDPR: Common Questions and Misperceptions | Pluralsight[^]
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Thanks, going to check out that Pluralsight course :thumbsup:
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Member 7989122 wrote:
You get one for every time you clean out the cookies in your PC.
Which in my case is everytime I close the browser... (ESR version and Domain politics, no changeably for me) :(
Member 7989122 wrote:
After a few weeks, it becomes a habit to click that OK button without worrying about it at all.
Which can be a bigger danger than the cookie itself, if you don't pay attention to which "OK" you click, because you "automated" it
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
Which can be a bigger danger than the cookie itself, if you don't pay attention to which "OK" you click, because you "automated" it
I never log in to any web site before I have to - I accept the reduced service level of not being logged in (such as web newspaper articles being available ony by heading/teaser). Similarly, I do not OK cookies until I "have to". If I get what I want without accepting the cookies, I'm fine with a banner, usually atthe bottom of the window telling me to click OK. It reduces the usable part of the window a little bit, but that's usually OK. Several times, when web sites force me to create an account or accept cookies before giving me enough of a teaser to reveal if they have anything to offer that I want, I don't trust them, press the 'Back' button and forget about that site. I very rarely "have to" visit an unknown web site. So those that I OK are usually well known web sites (like CP or Google or web shops I use regularly). I do not OK by routine. But then again, I have not made myself dependent on e.g. asocial media and dozens of mobile apps. I can mostly do with old style solutions that are less suspectible to monitoring.
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As a consumer I'm very much in favor of the GDPR. If I do not wish to use a website anymore and I want to delete my account, for whatever reason, I want to be able to do that. I'm also not very fond of companies selling whatever info they have of me to other companies that I have no knowledge of. Etc. Etc. You've probably heard all of this before. As a developer I also understand that this is very difficult to implement in existing systems. In fact, I'm currently implementing it in a new and small application that I'm building and it's already a PITA (like, I need to be able to delete customers, but I want to keep their orders and some other data for reporting). If you're not implementing this from the start you're in for a lot of hard work. And I do understand that a lot of companies that have little or no business in Europe choose not to implement it. It's a little ridiculous that Europeans are now excluded from many services that are not located in Europe though. If non-European companies get excused from the rule everyone will move overseas though, so I get that too. I hope GDPR is a worldwide future so no one is left out and everyone has their data at least a little bit protected. It may not be perfect, but at least steps are made. Your web and privacy laws pretty much come from a time where the web didn't even exist :) I absolutely detest the "we use cookies" warning though X|
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If you have a business requirement for keeping someone's data then even if they tell you to delete you do not have to delete it to comply with GDPR. You just need to show evidence that the data you are holding is required for the functioning of the business. So. Customer orders goods, pays for them, has them delivered. Customer then leaves a review on your site praising the great goods he has ordered. You save the customers details required for processing the order and the review in your data store. Customer decided to raise a GDPR request saying he wants all his data deleted. You delete the review, as it is not required for any business reason. You do not have to delete his order or delivery details as these details are required for the operation of the business in cases where there might be a query or as required for auditing purposes. Such is my understanding of GDPR after reading about it a lot. We deal with medical information within the EU and US so we get to play with GDPR, HIPAA, NHS and a whole load of other 3-5LAs that all want things done differently.
