Computer archeology.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
never throw anything away, Griff
Pop that in your signature line. You should then see it about 1000 times a day. ;)
Richard MacCutchan wrote:
Pop that in your signature line. You We should then see it about 1000 times a day.
FTFY :)
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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I'm looking for some pictures I took back in the last decade, and sent to someone who since died and can I find 'em? His family would like a copy. Nope - but I have had NAS failures, HDD failures, and running-out-of-space-what-the-heck-do-I-delete failures since then, and even I don't keep backups that are over ten years old ... unfortunately. Maybe I should. :-O So, I remember my stack of redundant HDDs - I get a bigger one, the old one goes on the pile. Dig out my old ATA to USB box as my current MB doesn't support ATA drives at all. And ... all but one of them I've overwrite wiped, formatted, and re-fdisked ready for me to smash them to pieces with a big hammer but I never got round to that bit. The last one? Doesn't fit in the converter box because it's a Maxstore and it;s connectoirs are upside down. :sigh: Then I remember Herself's computer. The one she hasn't turned on for so long it's still using the WiFi Router ID for three routers ago ... it's an HP ... That'll have ATA. Connect it all back up, power it up, it works. Turn off, set the drive to slave, connect it up, power it up ... and it's blank. Sod. Turn it off again. You have to remember that this is XP territory, and booting is quite slow. (And it's strange to see two physical processors in one machine instead of one). But then I see a second HDD bolted into her computer, but not connected. Now, there are two possibilities here: 1) It's the original HDD from this PC which died and there may just be some of my data on it. 2) It's the original HDD from my HP PC which died shortly after hers and it's probably catatonic by now. Let's see ... BOIS starts to scream at me "THIS DRIVE IS DYING!" Great, that means it's not dead yet. Oh boy - it's the motherload. My HDD from 2010 which died. We could be lucky here. And sure enough, there is the HTML file I sent the pictures in. Don't ask. Just don't. Are they embedded? No, they are linked to a picture storage website ... that doesn't exist any more. But, I'm copying everything I can find off the computer to a USB stick and the pictures may be there. If not, they are gone for good. I'll see what I can find when I get it on my PC in a couple of hours, USB1 is so slooooowwww. Somebody remind me: "never throw anything away, Griff" please!
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If it wasn't for the family of the deceased, I would say you have some issues... In this case I only can salute you...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
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OriginalGriff wrote:
never throw anything away, Griff
Pop that in your signature line. You should then see it about 1000 times a day. ;)
Done! :laugh:
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If it wasn't for the family of the deceased, I would say you have some issues... In this case I only can salute you...
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
And I just found them! I've copied them onto my computer, and I'm trying to rescue the rest now just in case - but that's complicated because the computer is XP 32 bit, and I can't get AOMEI to work on it, it gives me CRC errors and stops copying, it doesnt like my 256Gb USB stick, and I don't want to turn it off because there is a good chance the HDD may never work again if I do... Ah, the fun we have on a Sunday!
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I'm looking for some pictures I took back in the last decade, and sent to someone who since died and can I find 'em? His family would like a copy. Nope - but I have had NAS failures, HDD failures, and running-out-of-space-what-the-heck-do-I-delete failures since then, and even I don't keep backups that are over ten years old ... unfortunately. Maybe I should. :-O So, I remember my stack of redundant HDDs - I get a bigger one, the old one goes on the pile. Dig out my old ATA to USB box as my current MB doesn't support ATA drives at all. And ... all but one of them I've overwrite wiped, formatted, and re-fdisked ready for me to smash them to pieces with a big hammer but I never got round to that bit. The last one? Doesn't fit in the converter box because it's a Maxstore and it;s connectoirs are upside down. :sigh: Then I remember Herself's computer. The one she hasn't turned on for so long it's still using the WiFi Router ID for three routers ago ... it's an HP ... That'll have ATA. Connect it all back up, power it up, it works. Turn off, set the drive to slave, connect it up, power it up ... and it's blank. Sod. Turn it off again. You have to remember that this is XP territory, and booting is quite slow. (And it's strange to see two physical processors in one machine instead of one). But then I see a second HDD bolted into her computer, but not connected. Now, there are two possibilities here: 1) It's the original HDD from this PC which died and there may just be some of my data on it. 2) It's the original HDD from my HP PC which died shortly after hers and it's probably catatonic by now. Let's see ... BOIS starts to scream at me "THIS DRIVE IS DYING!" Great, that means it's not dead yet. Oh boy - it's the motherload. My HDD from 2010 which died. We could be lucky here. And sure enough, there is the HTML file I sent the pictures in. Don't ask. Just don't. Are they embedded? No, they are linked to a picture storage website ... that doesn't exist any more. But, I'm copying everything I can find off the computer to a USB stick and the pictures may be there. If not, they are gone for good. I'll see what I can find when I get it on my PC in a couple of hours, USB1 is so slooooowwww. Somebody remind me: "never throw anything away, Griff" please!
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For some reason it seems you're spending every single weekend making back-ups, restoring back-ups, looking for files on old back-ups... I don't think there's anyone more obsessed with his back-ups than you are. I'd almost think you're some weird back-up fetishist... Are you? "Oh yeah baby, I'm plugging it in and see if I can restore some of those old files" X| Anyway, have fun I guess. Also, condolences on your friend :(
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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For some reason it seems you're spending every single weekend making back-ups, restoring back-ups, looking for files on old back-ups... I don't think there's anyone more obsessed with his back-ups than you are. I'd almost think you're some weird back-up fetishist... Are you? "Oh yeah baby, I'm plugging it in and see if I can restore some of those old files" X| Anyway, have fun I guess. Also, condolences on your friend :(
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
I am a little OCD where backups are concerned, yes ... :-O
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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For some reason it seems you're spending every single weekend making back-ups, restoring back-ups, looking for files on old back-ups... I don't think there's anyone more obsessed with his back-ups than you are. I'd almost think you're some weird back-up fetishist... Are you? "Oh yeah baby, I'm plugging it in and see if I can restore some of those old files" X| Anyway, have fun I guess. Also, condolences on your friend :(
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Maybe I am a little too obsessed - now I've got the files I want off, I've got it to run as a USB disk attached to my "real" PC, and guess what I'm doing? Yes, that's right! A backup of it! :laugh: Don't think it'll work though - it's got 3GB backed up and it's making some very nasty noises.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
"I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
"Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt -
Maybe I am a little too obsessed - now I've got the files I want off, I've got it to run as a USB disk attached to my "real" PC, and guess what I'm doing? Yes, that's right! A backup of it! :laugh: Don't think it'll work though - it's got 3GB backed up and it's making some very nasty noises.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
I stand corrected. You HAVE issues!
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
"It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox
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I stand corrected. You HAVE issues!
"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge". Stephen Hawking, 1942- 2018
It's taken me one afternoon and the following morning to find this crap - I'm not losing it again! :-D
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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Maybe I am a little too obsessed - now I've got the files I want off, I've got it to run as a USB disk attached to my "real" PC, and guess what I'm doing? Yes, that's right! A backup of it! :laugh: Don't think it'll work though - it's got 3GB backed up and it's making some very nasty noises.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
"Hi, my name is Griff and I'm a back-upper." "Hi Griff, welcome to back-uppers anonymous."
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
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And I just found them! I've copied them onto my computer, and I'm trying to rescue the rest now just in case - but that's complicated because the computer is XP 32 bit, and I can't get AOMEI to work on it, it gives me CRC errors and stops copying, it doesnt like my 256Gb USB stick, and I don't want to turn it off because there is a good chance the HDD may never work again if I do... Ah, the fun we have on a Sunday!
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
Prepare a clean room, get an identical drive on fleabay and then swap the media.
I have lived with several Zen masters - all of them were cats. His last invention was an evil Lasagna. It didn't kill anyone, and it actually tasted pretty good.
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I'm looking for some pictures I took back in the last decade, and sent to someone who since died and can I find 'em? His family would like a copy. Nope - but I have had NAS failures, HDD failures, and running-out-of-space-what-the-heck-do-I-delete failures since then, and even I don't keep backups that are over ten years old ... unfortunately. Maybe I should. :-O So, I remember my stack of redundant HDDs - I get a bigger one, the old one goes on the pile. Dig out my old ATA to USB box as my current MB doesn't support ATA drives at all. And ... all but one of them I've overwrite wiped, formatted, and re-fdisked ready for me to smash them to pieces with a big hammer but I never got round to that bit. The last one? Doesn't fit in the converter box because it's a Maxstore and it;s connectoirs are upside down. :sigh: Then I remember Herself's computer. The one she hasn't turned on for so long it's still using the WiFi Router ID for three routers ago ... it's an HP ... That'll have ATA. Connect it all back up, power it up, it works. Turn off, set the drive to slave, connect it up, power it up ... and it's blank. Sod. Turn it off again. You have to remember that this is XP territory, and booting is quite slow. (And it's strange to see two physical processors in one machine instead of one). But then I see a second HDD bolted into her computer, but not connected. Now, there are two possibilities here: 1) It's the original HDD from this PC which died and there may just be some of my data on it. 2) It's the original HDD from my HP PC which died shortly after hers and it's probably catatonic by now. Let's see ... BOIS starts to scream at me "THIS DRIVE IS DYING!" Great, that means it's not dead yet. Oh boy - it's the motherload. My HDD from 2010 which died. We could be lucky here. And sure enough, there is the HTML file I sent the pictures in. Don't ask. Just don't. Are they embedded? No, they are linked to a picture storage website ... that doesn't exist any more. But, I'm copying everything I can find off the computer to a USB stick and the pictures may be there. If not, they are gone for good. I'll see what I can find when I get it on my PC in a couple of hours, USB1 is so slooooowwww. Somebody remind me: "never throw anything away, Griff" please!
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is n
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"Hi, my name is Griff and I'm a back-upper." "Hi Griff, welcome to back-uppers anonymous."
Best, Sander sanderrossel.com Continuous Integration, Delivery, and Deployment arrgh.js - Bringing LINQ to JavaScript Object-Oriented Programming in C# Succinctly
Do they have a 12 step plan?
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
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I'm looking for some pictures I took back in the last decade, and sent to someone who since died and can I find 'em? His family would like a copy. Nope - but I have had NAS failures, HDD failures, and running-out-of-space-what-the-heck-do-I-delete failures since then, and even I don't keep backups that are over ten years old ... unfortunately. Maybe I should. :-O So, I remember my stack of redundant HDDs - I get a bigger one, the old one goes on the pile. Dig out my old ATA to USB box as my current MB doesn't support ATA drives at all. And ... all but one of them I've overwrite wiped, formatted, and re-fdisked ready for me to smash them to pieces with a big hammer but I never got round to that bit. The last one? Doesn't fit in the converter box because it's a Maxstore and it;s connectoirs are upside down. :sigh: Then I remember Herself's computer. The one she hasn't turned on for so long it's still using the WiFi Router ID for three routers ago ... it's an HP ... That'll have ATA. Connect it all back up, power it up, it works. Turn off, set the drive to slave, connect it up, power it up ... and it's blank. Sod. Turn it off again. You have to remember that this is XP territory, and booting is quite slow. (And it's strange to see two physical processors in one machine instead of one). But then I see a second HDD bolted into her computer, but not connected. Now, there are two possibilities here: 1) It's the original HDD from this PC which died and there may just be some of my data on it. 2) It's the original HDD from my HP PC which died shortly after hers and it's probably catatonic by now. Let's see ... BOIS starts to scream at me "THIS DRIVE IS DYING!" Great, that means it's not dead yet. Oh boy - it's the motherload. My HDD from 2010 which died. We could be lucky here. And sure enough, there is the HTML file I sent the pictures in. Don't ask. Just don't. Are they embedded? No, they are linked to a picture storage website ... that doesn't exist any more. But, I'm copying everything I can find off the computer to a USB stick and the pictures may be there. If not, they are gone for good. I'll see what I can find when I get it on my PC in a couple of hours, USB1 is so slooooowwww. Somebody remind me: "never throw anything away, Griff" please!
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is n
you could get two 10 tb internal drives or maybe four backup all your old data take a look at r/DataHoarder on Imgur[^]
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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I'm looking for some pictures I took back in the last decade, and sent to someone who since died and can I find 'em? His family would like a copy. Nope - but I have had NAS failures, HDD failures, and running-out-of-space-what-the-heck-do-I-delete failures since then, and even I don't keep backups that are over ten years old ... unfortunately. Maybe I should. :-O So, I remember my stack of redundant HDDs - I get a bigger one, the old one goes on the pile. Dig out my old ATA to USB box as my current MB doesn't support ATA drives at all. And ... all but one of them I've overwrite wiped, formatted, and re-fdisked ready for me to smash them to pieces with a big hammer but I never got round to that bit. The last one? Doesn't fit in the converter box because it's a Maxstore and it;s connectoirs are upside down. :sigh: Then I remember Herself's computer. The one she hasn't turned on for so long it's still using the WiFi Router ID for three routers ago ... it's an HP ... That'll have ATA. Connect it all back up, power it up, it works. Turn off, set the drive to slave, connect it up, power it up ... and it's blank. Sod. Turn it off again. You have to remember that this is XP territory, and booting is quite slow. (And it's strange to see two physical processors in one machine instead of one). But then I see a second HDD bolted into her computer, but not connected. Now, there are two possibilities here: 1) It's the original HDD from this PC which died and there may just be some of my data on it. 2) It's the original HDD from my HP PC which died shortly after hers and it's probably catatonic by now. Let's see ... BOIS starts to scream at me "THIS DRIVE IS DYING!" Great, that means it's not dead yet. Oh boy - it's the motherload. My HDD from 2010 which died. We could be lucky here. And sure enough, there is the HTML file I sent the pictures in. Don't ask. Just don't. Are they embedded? No, they are linked to a picture storage website ... that doesn't exist any more. But, I'm copying everything I can find off the computer to a USB stick and the pictures may be there. If not, they are gone for good. I'll see what I can find when I get it on my PC in a couple of hours, USB1 is so slooooowwww. Somebody remind me: "never throw anything away, Griff" please!
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Backing Up the Petabyte Server[^] It's A Digital Disease![^]
Caveat Emptor. "Progress doesn't come from early risers – progress is made by lazy men looking for easier ways to do things." Lazarus Long
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An example of Digital dark age.[^]
Fascinating!
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For over a decade, magnetic tapes from the 1976 Viking Mars landing were unprocessed. When later analyzed, the data was unreadable as it was in an unknown format and the original programmers had either died or left NASA.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Do they have a 12 step plan?
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They have full, incremental, and differential plans.
Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows. -- 6079 Smith W.
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Fascinating!
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For over a decade, magnetic tapes from the 1976 Viking Mars landing were unprocessed. When later analyzed, the data was unreadable as it was in an unknown format and the original programmers had either died or left NASA.
The difficult we do right away... ...the impossible takes slightly longer.
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Fascinating!
Assuming the data is not crypted, how hard it would be to Interpret it? :confused:
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
Probably quite hard. Remember that back then, space was at a premium, and bandwidth from Viking to Earth was pretty low - so as much as possible was compacted into as small a space as possible. Almost certainly, there is error correction stuff in there as well, and you have no real idea what is being stored there - if you did you wouldn't need to send it in the first place. So you have no idea what the data is, how it's stored, or anything much at all. Not an easy job.
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Probably quite hard. Remember that back then, space was at a premium, and bandwidth from Viking to Earth was pretty low - so as much as possible was compacted into as small a space as possible. Almost certainly, there is error correction stuff in there as well, and you have no real idea what is being stored there - if you did you wouldn't need to send it in the first place. So you have no idea what the data is, how it's stored, or anything much at all. Not an easy job.
Sent from my Amstrad PC 1640 Never throw anything away, Griff Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay... AntiTwitter: @DalekDave is now a follower!
so, e.g. md5 much more developed is nowadays "something" insecure, means "nearly cracked". How can some "error correction" stuff may make a Problem to recognize it... only some minds from my side.
It does not solve my Problem, but it answers my question
