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Lost User

Yo banana republic, in case you missed it: Truth isn't truth! [Rudy Giuliani: 'Truth Isn't Truth' | Meet The Press | NBC News - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CljsZ7lgbtw) Also War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.

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Lost User

Reminds me back in the day when "is" doesn't mean "is". Good ole Bill had us going with that one. :laugh: ;P

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Lost User

Aw, an American can't think further than "truth isn't truth". The truth according to a witness is always subjective. Those personal "truths" may not reflect reality and should not be presented as facts, even if they told it under oath.

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Lost User

Of course, that is why they (eerily looking like Gollum btw.) always are ready to provide you with alternative facts: [Kellyanne Conway: Press Secretary Sean Spicer Gave 'Alternative Facts' | Meet The Press | NBC News - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSrEEDQgFc8) :)

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Lost User

"There is only one good (knowledge) and one evil; ignorance" If you need facts, I'll give them to you :thumbsup:

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ZurdoDev

Stable Genius wrote:

Also War is peace, freedom is slavery and ignorance is strength.

And you are a genius. :-\ If you actually would watch the video instead of blindly reposting what the left tells you to, you would see that he is saying that the "truth" is often subjective. Each person has their version of the "truth." You're fishing, again. :doh:

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Nelek

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Lost User

This may be valid if we are talking about how great the "Last Jedi" is. That may be a matter of perspective. But if someone knew about something or did not know about something is not a matter of perspective, graduation or opinion. It's pretty binary as a matter of fact. Those are either the droids or not the droids you are looking for.

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Lost User

Nice troll! :rolleyes:

Mohibur Rashid

I liked your post just for your name

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realJSOP

"Truth isn't truth" is a valid statement when you're talking about the legal system in general and the Mueller investigation in particular. If Mueller asks Trump any questions, all Mueller has to do is find someone that will answer those same questions differently than trump, and trump will be called a liar, regardless of whether or not trump was telling the truth. Trump cannot possibly win in that scenario, and that's why they call it a "perjury trap".

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Majerus

It's not really a perjury trap when the witness is a pathological liar. If tRump is questioned by Mueller, tRump will lie because that is what he does. If Mueller intends to indict the president* - not a foregone conclusion - he'll go with obstruction and/or conspiracy charges.

Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley No principle of free speech requires anybody to be given access to a particular forum where access is inherently restricted. - Scott Lemieux The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berney

realJSOP

Majerus wrote:

Before the oath, Trump has managed to surpass 2nd term Nixon for paranoia, 2nd term Reagan for corruption & 2nd term Bush for incompetence.--R. Schooley

It's not paranoia if it's true. Reagan wasn't corrupt. Bush was incompetent, I'll give you that one.

Majerus wrote:

The president fired the FBI director to obstruct a federal investigation into possible collusion with a foreign power to fix an election. - Jesse Berney

Firing Comey would not, and has not, resulted in the Mueller witch hunt being terminated. Furthermore, despite an almost two-year-long "investigation", no evidence has been discovered or brought forth supporting claims of Trump campaign "colluding" with anyone. Of course, lamestream media refuses to report on the stuff they found out about HRC, including treason, mishandling of classified info, pay-to-play access to the federal government, several suspicious deaths, Uranium One, etc, etc.

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Majerus

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

Firing Comey would not, and has not, resulted in the Mueller witch hunt investigation being terminated.

Obstruction doesn't have to successful to be obstruction.

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

almost two-year-long

Barely over a year. And so far, much, much less than the nearly 3 years average for special prosecutor investigations, and quite a bit less than the 8 years of Whitewater.

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

no evidence has been discovered or brought forth supporting claims of Trump campaign "colluding" with anyone

The investigation is into Russian interference and there is plenty of evidence of that. Obstruction is just a gift the short-fingered vulgarian keeps on giving. Mueller is much to smart and professional to waste his time leaking about the evidence he has uncovered over possible conspiracy.

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

Of course, lamestream media refuses to report on the stuff they found out about HRC, including treason, mishandling of classified info, pay-to-play access to the federal government, several suspicious deaths, Uranium One, etc, etc.

I suppose if you wanted the media to report all those terrible crimes, it really would have been helpful if all those Republican investigations hadn't failed to find any crimes. :laugh:

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kmoorevs

Stable Genius quoted:

Truth isn't truth!

Think of the effect on our profession if true != true. Sounds like one of my recurring javascript nightmares! :laugh: The idea that truth is subjective is total bs. There is a difference between truth which is based on facts and beliefs which are subjective. Believing something to be true does not change the facts. The whole 'perjury trap' argument is total bs (a bluff) as well. Perjury is defined as knowingly giving false information under oath. It has no bearing on other testimony except your own. 'Crazy Grandpa' Guiliani is a dotard and spouting utter bs like this on the talk shows is proving it. :)

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jschell

‭011111100010‬ wrote:

you would see that he is saying that the "truth" is often subjective. Each person has their version of the "truth."

There are all sorts of fascinating conundrums that undergraduate philosophy students are introduced to but many fail to also learn that they are no more relevant than deciding that one is going to spend the rest of their life staring at their navel.

jschell

I suggest that you refuse to pay your taxes and then when the government comes a knocking point out that nothing is real. Get back to me later with how real it seems then.

jschell

John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:

If Mueller asks Trump any questions, all Mueller has to do is find someone that will answer those same questions differently than trump, and trump will be called a liar, regardless of whether or not trump was telling the truth. Trump cannot possibly win in that scenario, and that's why they call it a "perjury trap".

Correct but that has nothing to do with this. Based on that, and solely on that, he should simply refuse to answer anything. This was nothing more than some sophomoric attempt by Giuliani to somehow rationalize it as something different. That is the best possible explanation. The worst is that he was just babbling uncontrollably.

jschell

kmoorevs wrote:

There is a difference between truth which is based on facts and beliefs which are subjective. Believing something to be true does not change the facts.

No that isn't true. Logically and philosophically (both) provide for the concept that truth is only as good as the framework to which very, very limit constructs (arguments) are made. Without the acceptance, total unconditional acceptance (belief), the constructs do not stand. However in the real world when a car hits you you are going to be in a world of hurt regardless of whether you accepted the reality of the car nor whether you or the car had the right of way. Giuliani was true but only when one is in a philosophy classroom and with someone who actually understands the foundations of logic and philosophy (not sure he does.) It is pointless in the context in which he used it.

Nelek

jschell wrote:

point out that nothing is real.

And where did I say that?

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