What kind of degree do you have? (If any)
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My wife gives me the third degree from time to time... As for work, self taught, no degree. Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
IMHO that is the way to go. I am also self taught (though it was a great help having a dad who is also into computers) and it has stood by me as the best education one can possibly have. Many fresh-out-of-varsity-meat students with BS this and CS that and PEP (Piece of Expensive Paper) are pretty hopeless in real world computer situations. In most cases companies have to spend time re-training these theoretical guys into how things really work. Don't get me wrong though, there is a place for theoretical education but when it comes to adding to a companies bottom line (and adding to your bank-balance!) I would take a self taught hacker over a varsity grad any day (no matter how much his Versaci suit costs). I remember an old friend telling me this "Which would you rather have: the guy just out of flight school with three thousand hours behind a simulator, or the guy who flew and rebuilt his dads biplane every day since he was 15?" :-D regards, Paul Watson Cape Town, South Africa e: paulmwatson@email.com w: vergen.org
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Since Computer Science if still a fairly new field I was just curious what kind of degrees people have around here. For example my old boss had a music degree, but just ‘fell’ into been a Systems Admin. I’ve just started my Bachelors of Science, though its on hold for a year since I just recently got a job through my school’s COOP program. Have a good one, Ben Burnett --------- On the topic of code with no error handling -- It's not poor coding, it's "optimistic" ;)
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2 separate degrees (and 2 separate 1st-year-at-University) or a combined degree? Once I left Uni I thought I'd die if I did any more stufy (so then promtly undertook a PhD), so kudo for going through with it a second time. Although - many a time I've sat back and thought "wouldn't it be great to go back and do Arts or Social Studies or something. :-D cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Since Computer Science if still a fairly new field I was just curious what kind of degrees people have around here. For example my old boss had a music degree, but just ‘fell’ into been a Systems Admin. I’ve just started my Bachelors of Science, though its on hold for a year since I just recently got a job through my school’s COOP program. Have a good one, Ben Burnett --------- On the topic of code with no error handling -- It's not poor coding, it's "optimistic" ;)
BS (Physics, Math) MS (Computer Science) But the *really* important stuff I learned while working with others. /ravi "There is always one more bug..." http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
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Since Computer Science if still a fairly new field I was just curious what kind of degrees people have around here. For example my old boss had a music degree, but just ‘fell’ into been a Systems Admin. I’ve just started my Bachelors of Science, though its on hold for a year since I just recently got a job through my school’s COOP program. Have a good one, Ben Burnett --------- On the topic of code with no error handling -- It's not poor coding, it's "optimistic" ;)
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BS in EE MS in EE Mustafa Demirhan
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You were in school in the 60's ? Christian As I learn the innermost secrets of the around me, they reward me in many ways to keep quiet. Men with pierced ears are better prepared for marriage. They've experienced pain and bought Jewellery.
Ha, ha, that was funny;P No, I graduated in 90's. However, since I have nothing to do with U.S army, I've first seen the internet in 1993. I vote pro drink X|
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No degree and started in the field 3 years ago as tech support, now I'm the system Manager/CIO of a marketing company :-) I initally went to college and before I dropped out, had a son to feed :-), I was taking courses to get a Biology degree being pre-med. I jumped into the industry with no formal computer training. Sam C ---- Systems Manager Hospitality Marketing Associates
Tech support to system Manager/CIO in three years with no degree! No offense to you but what kind of company is this? Despite 11 years of military service, with several years of management and leadership training and experince, and over five years industry experience I've been passed over for management so many times because of my lack of degree its depressing.
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Tech support to system Manager/CIO in three years with no degree! No offense to you but what kind of company is this? Despite 11 years of military service, with several years of management and leadership training and experince, and over five years industry experience I've been passed over for management so many times because of my lack of degree its depressing.
Not a particluar company I haven't been able to stay at one company for more than 5 years, but here's the story I started at a PC Computer Multimedia company in Silicon Valley doing tech support for video cards/modems. Here I discovered VBA and Visual Basic I then took it upon myself, since the company was only 20 people, to learn how to program and wrote their RMA and Inventory software using ACCESS 97/2K and VB, After about 8 months of making the drive, which was 1 hour and a half both ways, I started looking for jobs closer to home. I found one in a city closer as a hardware technician. Here I further developed my skills in networking and programming eventually developing applications to interface with our backend database server (BTrieve?!?!). After being there two years I got laid off!!! Then I found an IT job in my own city!!! Unbelievable! When I applied they where looking for a System Manager/CIO/System Administrator/Computer Tech GOD person. One of the qualifications they wanted was a degree candidate, I however decided to try since I was on unemployment :-) Lo and behold I got the job and for the last 4 months I been there I have been architecting a total infrastructure and move from an old dBase/Arclist system to SQL Server 7, running on Win2K clients and a Win2K backend. Since this place I currently work for is dependant on data, they are techinically a data warehouse. So it was just a lot of looking and a lot of LUCK! And no I never did lie on any of my resumes or interviews :-) Sam C ---- Systems Manager Hospitality Marketing Associates
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2 separate degrees (and 2 separate 1st-year-at-University) or a combined degree? Once I left Uni I thought I'd die if I did any more stufy (so then promtly undertook a PhD), so kudo for going through with it a second time. Although - many a time I've sat back and thought "wouldn't it be great to go back and do Arts or Social Studies or something. :-D cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
I can't tell you how many times I get asked that: 2 separate and independent degrees, it was called Double Honours. I did them concurrently, there was a Chemistry/Biochemistry double too. I'm pretty sure I get hired on that certificate alone sometimes. I started off applying for Physics because I wanted the fun of Chemistry (but I'm not very good at it) and the grades of Maths (I'm good at it but it bores me most of the time) just in case I really crashed and burnt the Chem. When my A-level grades came in I rang them up and transfered. I know I did the right thing because there were no Physics girls when I got there!! The biggest thing I miss is the time, the commute was 15 minutes walk, and my lecture schedule was 25 hours per week. So much time to talk boll*cks. For me that's 99.5% of the reason to go to. The real kudos belongs to those who complete a PhD; a degree is almost compulsory nowerdays to have an easier ride but starting again on a four year stretch at 22, that's real determination. Any first degree is a sure thing by comparison. I take my hat off to you. C++/C# Student. Wither Thee VB.Net.
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Since Computer Science if still a fairly new field I was just curious what kind of degrees people have around here. For example my old boss had a music degree, but just ‘fell’ into been a Systems Admin. I’ve just started my Bachelors of Science, though its on hold for a year since I just recently got a job through my school’s COOP program. Have a good one, Ben Burnett --------- On the topic of code with no error handling -- It's not poor coding, it's "optimistic" ;)
No degree, no IT qualifications at all, unless you count a high school Computer Studies O'Level. I started coding in 1985 (on a Sirius!) and haven't stopped since. Phil Harding
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Since Computer Science if still a fairly new field I was just curious what kind of degrees people have around here. For example my old boss had a music degree, but just ‘fell’ into been a Systems Admin. I’ve just started my Bachelors of Science, though its on hold for a year since I just recently got a job through my school’s COOP program. Have a good one, Ben Burnett --------- On the topic of code with no error handling -- It's not poor coding, it's "optimistic" ;)
No degree, technically a ninth year sophomore. I guess I'll be a "life-long learner". Mostly self taught. I figured a real job would pay better in than being a starving college student so I jumped into the industry. Josh josh@that-guy.net
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Since Computer Science if still a fairly new field I was just curious what kind of degrees people have around here. For example my old boss had a music degree, but just ‘fell’ into been a Systems Admin. I’ve just started my Bachelors of Science, though its on hold for a year since I just recently got a job through my school’s COOP program. Have a good one, Ben Burnett --------- On the topic of code with no error handling -- It's not poor coding, it's "optimistic" ;)
BS and MS in metallurgical engineering. BS with honors in computer science. Picking away at a PhD in computer science. (and a PE license for complete overkill)
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Since Computer Science if still a fairly new field I was just curious what kind of degrees people have around here. For example my old boss had a music degree, but just ‘fell’ into been a Systems Admin. I’ve just started my Bachelors of Science, though its on hold for a year since I just recently got a job through my school’s COOP program. Have a good one, Ben Burnett --------- On the topic of code with no error handling -- It's not poor coding, it's "optimistic" ;)
BS in Computer Science. Started in Pre-Med Majoring in Chemical Engineering. The Fortran course for Engineering got me interested, but the Assembler course got me hooked. I loved the way those '1's and '0's worked. And I'm thankful everyday that I found my true calling. But, when I hire Programmers now, I don't put a lot of emphasis on the Degree. All 3 of the BEST PROGRAMMERS I've ever worked with did not have CS Degrees. It's the experience that counts. I STRONGLY believe in Testing for a position. I've tested newly graduated CS Majors who didn't have a clue about programming or life for that matter. I hate being a CodeProject LURKER because this site has been truely helpful to me, but I swear I am working on documenting and making examples for a couple of my classes and as soon as I get the time ..........